"NOTORIOUS THUGS" -VS- "THUG LUV"......

[Rapmastermind]

As much as I hear this fairytale told I have never actually heard him do it

Fairytale? Well once again what did BONE who created their own style and flow say about Big taking their flow? I posted this eariler, here it is again:

Flesh-N-Bone: “Hearing Biggie do our style was incredible. I understood why he had to take it home and study it for a minute. He put his own spin on our Bone flow.”

Krayzie Bone: “It was bitter sweet. Biggie ripped it but we didn’t have the opportunity to tell him how much he ripped it. He came out and did his thing on the song to where he put another notch under his belt because our style is not easy to where you can just say, ‘I’m going to rap like these dudes.’ Especially back then when we were first coming out. For a New York rapper to do our style was a risk. But when he did it that n*gga killed it. New York showed us a lot of love off of that record. ‘Notorious Thugs’ and ‘Crossroads’ are the only songs they played in NYC by Bone. It was Bone and Biggie.”



Again it wasn't the fact that Big matched their flow perfectly. It was the fact he adjusted his flow to match their style but it was a slower tempo but fast for Big's style. Again it was the effort he did with it. Big could of just came with his normal flow and still probably killed it but the fact he sped up his flow and still spit a pretty amazing verse is the reason people say he got them on their own style. Even though "Notorious Thugs" is on a Biggie album it's clearly a Bone Song. Big was not in his element on that song and still murdered it. After hearing his flow it's hard not to understand why many rap fans think he had one of if not the best flow of all time.

 

[Rapmastermind]

I'll probably be punished for hard living blind to the facts
Thugs is convicts in gods prison hand on the strap
Praying to father please forgive me police be rushing when they see me
I flaunted America's most wanted live on TV life
Pleasure and pain stuck in this game holler my name
We all gone die we bleed through sim-i-lar veins
You're explain to me now don't panic when my gun burst
Heard the last jam nikka this ones worse
My nikka bone held the chrome till I came home
Thug Luv players tell these bytch nikkas bring it on
I caught a plane out to Cleveland late last evening
To help my nikkas clean up some nikkas no longer breathing now
Who you believe in hit the weed and breathe it's a
Cold ass the world them nikkas kill you in your sleep
Until they stop me bury murder me or drop me
I got Thug Luv for my nationwide posse feel me


pac rhymes each syllable while rhyming multiple different syllables biggie does not does that

Biggie verse technically, Lyrically, Flow, delivery, rhyme scheme was better than Pac's, I don't think that's even debatable.

Get the fukk outta here. Unless there's another quote from Bone stating otherwise, the one you provided doesn't say they admitted to being murdered in their own style. All they said was he ripped it. They were basically shocked that he did a respectable job on the track. Biggie murdering Bone on wax has gotta be one of the biggest NY fueled myths in rap history.

Anyways, I voted tie.

Well the fact they admitted he ripped it on a beat and style that they normally do is all the information you need. I mean Bone was Bone on "Notorious Thugs". They did what we expected them to do on a Bone Song. Big did the unexpected which is why his verse stood out. Wither he "Murdered" it or not is a matter of opinion of course but if you ask most people about "Notorious Thugs", Big's verse is always brought up more than Bone's. Bizzy verse does get love though.

 

[61 Corpses]

Notorious Thugs

 

[just my thoughts]

Fairytale? Well once again what did BONE who created their own style and flow say about Big taking their flow? I posted this eariler, here it is again:

Flesh-N-Bone: “Hearing Biggie do our style was incredible. I understood why he had to take it home and study it for a minute. He put his own spin on our Bone flow.”

Krayzie Bone: “It was bitter sweet. Biggie ripped it but we didn’t have the opportunity to tell him how much he ripped it. He came out and did his thing on the song to where he put another notch under his belt because our style is not easy to where you can just say, ‘I’m going to rap like these dudes.’ Especially back then when we were first coming out. For a New York rapper to do our style was a risk. But when he did it that n*gga killed it. New York showed us a lot of love off of that record. ‘Notorious Thugs’ and ‘Crossroads’ are the only songs they played in NYC by Bone. It was Bone and Biggie.”



Again it wasn't the fact that Big matched their flow perfectly. It was the fact he adjusted his flow to match their style but it was a slower tempo but fast for Big's style. Again it was the effort he did with it. Big could of just came with his normal flow and still probably killed it but the fact he sped up his flow and still spit a pretty amazing verse is the reason people say he got them on their own style. Even though "Notorious Thugs" is on a Biggie album it's clearly a Bone Song. Big was not in his element on that song and still murdered it. After hearing his flow it's hard not to understand why many rap fans think he had one of if not the best flow of all time.

It sounds like you are being led by what they said out of respect for a dead man. If you let anyone hear that song you can hear how the styles were different. He had probably the weakest verse on there, plus when Bone came on you felt the energy shift. I dont hate Big but lets not act like it was more than what it was, a fat guy who tried but didnt really accomplish what I assume he set out to do so we got what we heard.

 

[just my thoughts]

Biggie verse technically, Lyrically, Flow, delivery, rhyme scheme was better than Pac's, I don't think that's even debatable.



Well the fact they admitted he ripped it on a beat and style that they normally do is all the information you need. I mean Bone was Bone on "Notorious Thugs". They did what we expected them to do on a Bone Song. Big did the unexpected which is why his verse stood out. Wither he "Murdered" it or not is a matter of opinion of course but if you ask most people about "Notorious Thugs", Big's verse is always brought up more than Bone's. Bizzy verse does get love though.

Very debatable. Pac flowed to the beat he had at hand and his delivery matched the point he was trying to express. Lyrically what did Big say that was so amazing on that song?

 

[Rapmastermind]

It sounds like you are being led by what they said out of respect for a dead man. If you let anyone hear that song you can hear how the styles were different. He had probably the weakest verse on there, plus when Bone came on you felt the energy shift. I dont hate Big but lets not act like it was more than that it was, a fat guy who tried but didnt really accomplish what I assume he set out to do so we got what we heard.

What do you mean he didn't accomplish what he set out to do? Is the song not Classic? well of course is it. Is Big's verse not Dope? Of course it is. Did Bone not admit he mimicked their style? Yes they did. So again Biggie was the one not in his element which is why he took the track home and worked on it cause he wanted to make sure he got the flow down. There is no way Big had "The Weakest" Verse when most rap fans talk about his verse most when discussing the song. Big dying had nothing to do with what Bone said. They like most of Hip Hop was in complete shock hearing Big spit the fast flow like that. Nobody expected that.

 

[Mike Statik]

Notorious Thugs is good for smokin an L

Thug Luv is good for gettin amped

 

[Heretic]

Notorious thugs is way better

Thug luv has a wack beat and pac was rhyming off beat,big killed notorious thugs

You can not honestly believe what you posted? Its fine if you like the other song better but be real man.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Notorious Thugs is good for smokin an L

Thug Luv is good for gettin amped

Overall there really different songs and moods to compare honestly but it's still fun to compare them. "Thug Luv" plays like a raw underground Hip Hop Record. That's why it goes so hard. I honestly don't think it would of even sounded right for Pac to try to do their flow. It worked with Pac being Pac. But "Notorious Thugs" even though it's still hard, it was more musical. It was like Big and Bone was rapping over an orchestra. Also I have to give "NT" the nod as far as the built up. The way each instrument comes in and it builds to Big's verse is crazy. Someone actually produced a sheet of music based on it:

 

[big bun]

Two completely different songs, both legendary.

 

[SubLyminalz]

notorious thugs hands down, that first few minutes when the beat gradually drops and then big comes on is just



they he killed those nikkas using there own style and he went first on the track.


both classic songs tho.

 

[just my thoughts]

What do you mean he didn't accomplish what he set out to do? Is the song not Classic? well of course is it. Is Big's verse not Dope? Of course it is. Did Bone not admit he mimicked their style? Yes they did. So again Biggie was the one not in his element which is why he took the track home and worked on it cause he wanted to make sure he got the flow down. There is no way Big had "The Weakest" Verse when most rap fans talk about his verse most when discussing the song. Big dying had nothing to do with what Bone said. They like most of Hip Hop was in complete shock hearing Big spit the fast flow like that. Nobody expected that.

Everyone knows why people spoke on Big's verse, as stated it wasn't expected of him. Now does that make it the best cause its the most talked about? No. Big Dying had everything to do with what Bone said because who is going to disrespect a dead guy in rap. Especially one thought to be the best after he died? Wouldnt have been a good look for Bone. We see it all the time its called being political. I am not saying I know this for a fact but anyone with ears can tell Big didnt pull it off.

 

[god shamgod]

I Remember mad whips bangin notorious thugs spring/summer 97

 

[The Ruler 09]

I voted Thug Luv but both classic. Bizzy DESTROYS both tracks.

 

[Still Benefited]

im gonna derail this motherfukker


you mean the same flow PUN used to do all the time?

nikkas gon just ignore this,that's what they do when they shell shocked....Biggie wuznt even rappin fast on that shyt,he should only get credit for trying,not succesfuly doing it...biggies strongpoint is his ruff delivery you get with the slow flow which u lose when he wuz TRYING to rap like Bone....if anything it exposed how human he seems lyrically without HIS flow and delivery to carry em....and Eazye E on Fo Luv of money killed pac and biggies verses.

"And yeeeeeah its still muthafuk em"