If I Should Die Before I Wake
Dead Wrong
Rap Phenomenon
Redeem this album. One or two other joints are cool.
Dead Wrong
Rap Phenomenon
Redeem this album. One or two other joints are cool.
Notorious BIG'S Born Again revisited
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The Dust King
A Childrens Story
@Danie84
@re'up
@infamousred
@Razzay
@doggy
@Rapmastermind
@Billy Ocean
this is the original version of notorious where shyne spits the verse he wrote for puff
this song was scrapped from the album but was included in the promos featuring joe hooker. i forgot who produced it.
this was the original dead wrong prod by easy mo bee
BIGs verse from dangerous MCs came from this busta rhymes collabo prod by Jdilla. labba wasnt on it back then (95) and busta updated his verse from the original (which no ones herd)
the original remix to dead wrong was with busta rhymes and no eminem. cant find the busta only version but this his verse
this track was supposed to be on ready to die after warning. it was remixed for born again but scrapped. another remix featuring jayz was released nine years later.
this was a party and bullshyt remix that was on the promo listed as "where the party at". it was also listed as party and bullshyt 2 in some places
@re'up
@infamousred
@Razzay
@doggy
@Rapmastermind
@Billy Ocean
this is the original version of notorious where shyne spits the verse he wrote for puff
this song was scrapped from the album but was included in the promos featuring joe hooker. i forgot who produced it.
this was the original dead wrong prod by easy mo bee
BIGs verse from dangerous MCs came from this busta rhymes collabo prod by Jdilla. labba wasnt on it back then (95) and busta updated his verse from the original (which no ones herd)
the original remix to dead wrong was with busta rhymes and no eminem. cant find the busta only version but this his verse
this track was supposed to be on ready to die after warning. it was remixed for born again but scrapped. another remix featuring jayz was released nine years later.
this was a party and bullshyt remix that was on the promo listed as "where the party at". it was also listed as party and bullshyt 2 in some places
Yeah, I have the Shyne reference track, I always really like "Notorious", it was just a dope moment, to be in middle school, when new music 4th quarter was a rush to try and buy at least ONE big album, and reading the reviews in XXL and The Source. I need some of those tracks though, the Party & Bullshyt one is fire, and the House of Pain too.
I remember the XXL interview mentioned the Party And Bullshyt as being on the album.
Smitty Belafonte
All Star
Cmon y’all this album was not good.
The Dust King
A Childrens Story
it definitely wasnt the trash can emoji either
dead wrong
nggaz
come on
rap phenomenon
if i should die
who shot ya
those are undeniable.
then thers the remixes with mobb deep, nas, craig mack.
Definitely had some fire on there.
Rapmastermind
Superstar
(Almost 3 years after Biggie's passing, Puffy and Bad Boy Records resurrected him with one of Hip Hop's most anticipated LP's)
"Born Again Revisited 20 Years Later"
Someone asked me one time "Can a Posthumous Album really be Classic?" Well if the Artist truly did complete it like "Life After Death" or even "Makaveli" than yes. Also I think a Posthumous Song can be a Classic like how "Changes" was reworked. I mean how many of those Pac records still had our heads nodding even though they were new beats and posthumous Double LP's?. But in a situation like "Born Again" where it's basically a cut/paste. I think it's impossible for an album constructed like that to truly be Classic because the original artist just didn't have the input. There have been many Posthumous albums from the likes of Big Pun "Yeahhh Baby" , Big L's "The Big Picture to even Eazy E "Str8 off tha Streez of Muthaphuffin Compton". Even recently with Groups like Tribe with "Thanks For your Service" after Phife passed and Premo releasing a "Gang Starr LP "One of the Best Yet" a Decade after Guru's passing. Most of the time these albums never truly live up to the artist earlier albums because we just don't know how much the artist had input. And in some of these cases the artist had no input.
Biggie's Definitive Catalog is Ready To Die/Conspiracy/Life After Death. He also Executive Produced, Produced and Appeared on Lil Kim's "Hard Core" and Puffy's "No Way Out." Those albums he had the input to display the artistic genius he was. The only thing from "Born Again" that was Biggie's idea was the title. He wanted it to fit the theme of his 1st two albums. It's almost like a Religious "Christ Analogy" with the titles. I mean his name was Christopher. But as the years have gone on I've soften on "Born Again" album, it's 20th Anniversary was this past December. I look at both "Born Again" and "Duets" was Hip Hop's way of saying Goodbye to Biggie. Rappers got to live a dream on those albums and collaborate with Biggie when honestly he may not have done it in real life. I remember Method Man criticized "Duets" for that very reason of having rappers he thought Biggie wouldn't of rapped with. "Born Again" was a very hard album for Puff and Bad Boy to construct. They only had limited verses from original tracks and freestyles. They reworked some of the beats to give it a fresh sound. First things First we heard "Dead Wrong". The version without Eminem. This felt like Biggie literally was alive again because we had not heard a new song from him since the "Life After Death/No Way Out" time frame. Sadly he didn't have verses on Mase or Lox albums.
So when "Dead Wrong" dropped it was huge and of course the song was Hard. It wasn't big on the charts because of how raw the song was but there was a video for it. Even though the original had a more laid back jazz beat, the Born Again version beat was just so classic. Em's verse was tagged on as a remix just as his popularity was souring in 99'. Biggie did work with RA The Rugged Man so he worked with a white rapper before. Doesn't mean he would of done a song with Em though. But to Em's credit, he tapped into Biggie's craziness with his verse...so he ended up fitting the song though it works fine without him. Now "Notorious" with the Duran, Duran sample is actually a song I could see Biggie rapping over. I believe he would of got a kick out of the sample. The Verse was used form "Real nikkaz West Coast Freestyle" verses but it fit. Kim and Puffy provided that Bad Boy Flava (As you guys showed Shyne wrote Puffy's verse). So the song worked. Now yes I hated on the Cash Money record back then. Big just felt a little out of place on that Mannie Fresh beat.
I get Puffy's idea, he was trying to show Big would of embraced the South. He did do remixes with Jermaine Dupri and So So Def. But it wasn't the best mash up though I'd admit it's grown on a me little cause it takes me back to that old school Hot Boyz as they were blowing up. Big's verse was still fire. I know Juvi and Wayne along with the Hot Boyz was happy to be on a Biggie record tough. "Dangerous MC's" was dope, just some spitting. The Original beat was done by J. Dilla and it was better but Notlz still went in. Busta and Snoop came through with their verses and Mark Curry was straight. Junior Mafia's Tribute record "Biggie" was an instant Classic. We all loved that beat and they all went in. "nikkas" I love the lyrics and verses but this beat I didn't enjoy that much. I like the original WAY better, it's not even close. "Big Booty Hoes" was dope, Too Short Pornography lyricism fits Biggie style all day. It felt like a sequel to "The World is Filled". The original featured Uncle Luke and was a dope song too.
"Would you Die For Me" was ILL because the verses felt newer like a "Life After Death" leftover. The Beat even felt like it could of been on LAD too. Of course Big kills it and Kim compliments him on it. "Come On" with Sadat X was fire. I have to say, Large Professor original beat is harder but Clark Kent's remix still went in. Method Man and Redman did not disappoint on the Premo Laced "Rap Phenomenon" Though the original "Keep Your Hands High" with Tracy Lee was still fire, many people missed out on that song. So this was the 1st time they heard these lyrics. I consider it a Premo Remix of "Keep Your Hands High" but it was a dope record. "Let Me Get Down" was cool with Craig Mack and Missy. "Tonight" aka "Long Kiss Goodnight Mobb Deep Remix" was dope because it was the first time hearing Mobb with Big. Biggie did rap over the Havoc produced "Last Day" and over the "Hell on Earth Beat" during his last freestyle but he never did a track with Mobb. So it was dope. Joe Hooker's voice is just dope and Hav and P both spit hard. The next song "If I should Die before I wake" was just too tough. A hard body Biggie verse, Beans going in, Black Rob going in and Ice Cube finishing it off. Just a dope record.
"Who Shot Ya" is thrown in because at this point the song was never officially on a Biggie LP just singles. So I understood the inclusion. It would later be included on the "Ready To Die Special Edition". "Can I get Witchu" was fire. Big's storytelling and Cease getting a solo joint with him. Then "Can I show You" with Nas, K Ci and JoJo and Biggie spitting "Everyday struggle" rhymes worked for me. Then his Mother's closes the album. Overall outside of some shaky production I thought the features for the most part came through. Biggie's verses were all fire and did no disappoint. In a weird way he was "Born Again" or resurrected on this album. Though he wanted it to be a Triple LP. The album was successful too going Multi-Platinum and #1 without a Hit Single really. So the strength of Biggie's bars and the features carried it to success. Overall at the time I gave it about 3.5 which I'm still pretty much at. Big's artistry is a every high bar so I have to fair but it's not bad of an album at all and it was definitely better than "Duets". Big was much more of a perfectionist in the studio. Each song had to be right that's why though he doesn't have a large volume of songs he has a large quality of songs. Check out this original version of "Can I Get Witchu". I like the remix but it's cool to hear what Biggie heard when he rapped it. I suggest everyone listen to the original records too.
OmegaK2099
Gettin' It In
I really want to show you 
(Almost 3 years after Biggie's passing, Puffy and Bad Boy Records resurrected him with one of Hip Hop's most anticipated LP's)
"Born Again Revisited 20 Years Later"
Someone asked me one time "Can a Posthumous Album really be Classic?" Well if the Artist truly did complete it like "Life After Death" or even "Makaveli" than yes. Also I think a Posthumous Song can be a Classic like how "Changes" was reworked. I mean how many of those Pac records still had our heads nodding even though they were new beats and posthumous Double LP's?. But in a situation like "Born Again" where it's basically a cut/paste. I think it's impossible for an album constructed like that to truly be Classic because the original artist just didn't have the input. There have been many Posthumous albums from the likes of Big Pun "Yeahhh Baby" , Big L's "The Big Picture to even Eazy E "Str8 off tha Streez of Muthaphuffin Compton". Even recently with Groups like Tribe with "Thanks For your Service" after Phife passed and Premo releasing a "Gang Starr LP "One of the Best Yet" a Decade after Guru's passing. Most of the time these albums never truly live up to the artist earlier albums because we just don't know how much the artist had input. And in some of these cases the artist had no input.
Biggie's Definitive Catalog is Ready To Die/Conspiracy/Life After Death. He also Executive Produced, Produced and Appeared on Lil Kim's "Hard Core" and Puffy's "No Way Out." Those albums he had the input to display the artistic genius he was. The only thing from "Born Again" that was Biggie's idea was the title. He wanted it to fit the theme of his 1st two albums. It's almost like a Religious "Christ Analogy" with the titles. I mean his name was Christopher. But as the years have gone on I've soften on "Born Again" album, it's 20th Anniversary was this past December. I look at both "Born Again" and "Duets" was Hip Hop's way of saying Goodbye to Biggie. Rappers got to live a dream on those albums and collaborate with Biggie when honestly he may not have done it in real life. I remember Method Man criticized "Duets" for that very reason of having rappers he thought Biggie wouldn't of rapped with. "Born Again" was a very hard album for Puff and Bad Boy to construct. They only had limited verses from original tracks and freestyles. They reworked some of the beats to give it a fresh sound. First things First we heard "Dead Wrong". The version without Eminem. This felt like Biggie literally was alive again because we had not heard a new song from him since the "Life After Death/No Way Out" time frame. Sadly he didn't have verses on Mase or Lox albums.
So when "Dead Wrong" dropped it was huge and of course the song was Hard. It wasn't big on the charts because of how raw the song was but there was a video for it. Even though the original had a more laid back jazz beat, the Born Again version beat was just so classic. Em's verse was tagged on as a remix just as his popularity was souring in 99'. Biggie did work with RA The Rugged Man so he worked with a white rapper before. Doesn't mean he would of done a song with Em though. But to Em's credit, he tapped into Biggie's craziness with his verse...so he ended up fitting the song though it works fine without him. Now "Notorious" with the Duran, Duran sample is actually a song I could see Biggie rapping over. I believe he would of got a kick out of the sample. The Verse was used form "Real nikkaz West Coast Freestyle" verses but it fit. Kim and Puffy provided that Bad Boy Flava (As you guys showed Shyne wrote Puffy's verse). So the song worked. Now yes I hated on the Cash Money record back then. Big just felt a little out of place on that Mannie Fresh beat.
I get Puffy's idea, he was trying to show Big would of embraced the South. He did do remixes with Jermaine Dupri and So So Def. But it wasn't the best mash up though I'd admit it's grown on a me little cause it takes me back to that old school Hot Boyz as they were blowing up. Big's verse was still fire. I know Juvi and Wayne along with the Hot Boyz was happy to be on a Biggie record tough. "Dangerous MC's" was dope, just some spitting. The Original beat was done by J. Dilla and it was better but Notlz still went in. Busta and Snoop came through with their verses and Mark Curry was straight. Junior Mafia's Tribute record "Biggie" was an instant Classic. We all loved that beat and they all went in. "nikkas" I love the lyrics and verses but this beat I didn't enjoy that much. I like the original WAY better, it's not even close. "Big Booty Hoes" was dope, Too Short Pornography lyricism fits Biggie style all day. It felt like a sequel to "The World is Filled". The original featured Uncle Luke and was a dope song too.
"Would you Die For Me" was ILL because the verses felt newer like a "Life After Death" leftover. The Beat even felt like it could of been on LAD too. Of course Big kills it and Kim compliments him on it. "Come On" with Sadat X was fire. I have to say, Large Professor original beat is harder but Clark Kent's remix still went in. Method Man and Redman did not disappoint on the Premo Laced "Rap Phenomenon" Though the original "Keep Your Hands High" with Tracy Lee was still fire, many people missed out on that song. So this was the 1st time they heard these lyrics. I consider it a Premo Remix of "Keep Your Hands High" but it was a dope record. "Let Me Get Down" was cool with Craig Mack and Missy. "Tonight" aka "Long Kiss Goodnight Mobb Deep Remix" was dope because it was the first time hearing Mobb with Big. Biggie did rap over the Havoc produced "Last Day" and over the "Hell on Earth Beat" during his last freestyle but he never did a track with Mobb. So it was dope. Joe Hooker's voice is just dope and Hav and P both spit hard. The next song "If I should Die before I wake" was just too tough. A hard body Biggie verse, Beans going in, Black Rob going in and Ice Cube finishing it off. Just a dope record.
"Who Shot Ya" is thrown in because at this point the song was never officially on a Biggie LP just singles. So I understood the inclusion. It would later be included on the "Ready To Die Special Edition". "Can I get Witchu" was fire. Big's storytelling and Cease getting a solo joint with him. Then "Can I show You" with Nas, K Ci and JoJo and Biggie spitting "Everyday struggle" rhymes worked for me. Then his Mother's closes the album. Overall outside of some shaky production I thought the features for the most part came through. Biggie's verses were all fire and did no disappoint. In a weird way he was "Born Again" or resurrected on this album. Though he wanted it to be a Triple LP. The album was successful too going Multi-Platinum and #1 without a Hit Single really. So the strength of Biggie's bars and the features carried it to success. Overall at the time I gave it about 3.5 which I'm still pretty much at. Big's artistry is a every high bar so I have to fair but it's not bad of an album at all and it was definitely better than "Duets". Big was much more of a perfectionist in the studio. Each song had to be right that's why though he doesn't have a large volume of songs he has a large quality of songs. Check out this original version of "Can I Get Witchu". I like the remix but it's cool to hear what Biggie heard when he rapped it. I suggest everyone listen to the original records too.
Who tf wrote this
? All these mistakes
English motherfukker, do you speak it? Not to mention the retarded content
wild100sboy
:mjpls:
I think for the most part this album is FIRE
ShaDynasty
Chaos - The Album
It was a decent album, all over the place stylistically, but what do you expect from leftovers thrown together and old tracks remixed by a bunch of random producers and guest rappers.
The duets album that followed made this album sound incredible by comparison.
The duets album that followed made this album sound incredible by comparison.
oO J Smooth Oo
All Star
Awful album that has aged like shyt
