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Aint there a military law or jurisdiction that the military can implement so they can not follow his orders???:jbhmm:

I might be wrong, but as far as I know only Congress could stop him.

They could pass a bill stripping him of nuclear authority or blocking funding for any military action in North Korea. Considering the makeup of Conress that's pretty unlikely though. :francis:
 
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Aint there a military law or jurisdiction that the military can implement so they can not follow his orders???:jbhmm:

lmao the President is the commander in chief HE IS THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE MILITARY
they have to follow his orders

The people are suppose to choose a president they trust with that power lmao
 

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lmao the President is the commander in chief HE IS THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE MILITARY
they have to follow his orders

The people are suppose to choose a president they trust with that power lmao

and therein lies the problem.
press, or in today's terms media is the fourth pillar of our democracy.

an informed population is crucial to this great experiment in human governance moving forward.
if the population is being spoon fed lies via propaganda masquerading as news then all is lost.

the incestuous relationship between trump's administration and faux news is the perfect example of how this can go completely off the rails.
talk radio was the beta run.
tv was version 1.0.

now that the internet is here all bets are off and the public is free to feed off of whatever garbage they believe they are choosing to consume and act upon.
 

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... orbital, i love you man... but lol at the idea i'll be sitting around refreshing the coli while nuke missiles are whizzing around the world on some real life "where is ja to make sense of all this" bullshyt.....

to comment on this scenario, it would be world war III (the nuclear addition).... koreans, japanese, and chinese are all asians... different ethnicities, but the same race.... brothers may fight and may not talk to each other for years, but when someone messes with one of them, it's like messing with all of them.... china would immediately jump into that... even if only for the reason that a nuke bomb was dropped so close to their borders and the radiation would drift into their nation..... i fear mankind doesn't survive your scenario....

p.s.: while we're in fantasy land anyhow, i might as well add this.... i'll be on a beach off the west coast of africa sipping a mai tai while all fireworks are going off all around western nations.... i'll be one of first to say accept no refugees from western countries.....
 
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:laff:

... orbital, i love you man... but lol at the idea i'll be sitting around refreshing the coli while nuke missiles are whizzing around the world on some real life "where is ja to make sense of all this" bullshyt.....

to comment on this scenario, it would be world war III (the nuclear addition).... koreans, japanese, and chinese are all asians... different ethnicities, but the same race.... brothers may fight and may not talk to each other for years, but when someone messes with one of them, it's like messing with all of them.... china would immediately jump into that... even if only for the reason that a nuke bomb was dropped so close to their borders and the radiation would drift into their nation..... i fear mankind doesn't survive your scenario....

p.s.: while we're in fantasy land anyhow, i might as well add this.... i'll be on a beach off the west coast of africa sipping a mai tai while all fireworks are going off all around western nations.... i'll be one of first to say accept no refugees from western countries.....

roll with the scenario i presented and comment on it.
10 nukes have been dropped within 10 hours on pyongyan.
 

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lmao the President is the commander in chief HE IS THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE MILITARY
they have to follow his orders

The people are suppose to choose a president they trust with that power lmao

Last time I checked the military leaders Don't HAVE to follow his orders at all... They CAN refuse.:francis:
 

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Last time I checked the military leaders Don't HAVE to follow his orders at all... They CAN refuse.:francis:

Actually, I'm not sure this is true. From what I understand they can only disobey an order that's illegal.

If the order is legal (even if it's immoral) they're obligated to obey it or resign. Disobeying would at best get them replaced and likely land them in military court. Now what would happen in real life in the situation we're talking about is a different story.
 

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Refuse and get fired for someone else to be installed to carry out the Presidents commands

Actually, I'm not sure this is true. From what I understand they can only disobey an order that's illegal.

If the order is legal (even if it's immoral) they're obligated to obey it or resign. Disobeying would at best get them replaced and likely land them in military court. Now what would happen in real life in the situation we're talking about is a different story.

Look what I found I knew I wasn't going crazy.... :youngsabo:

Constitution Amendment 25...Section 4....



The board has been set, and Trump has been acting Erratic moreso than usual...:sitdown::ufdup::win: Time for Pence to deliver that late hour Coup....
 
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Look what I found I knew I wasn't going crazy.... :youngsabo:

Constitution Amendment 25...Section 4....



The board has been set, and Trump has been acting Erratic moreso than usual...:sitdown::ufdup::win: Time for Pence to deliver that late hour Coup....

Unless I'm reading that wrong, that's talking about what the president can do if he himself agrees that he's unable to perform his duties and consents to someone else taking over. :dame:

That only applies if he president consents to someone else taking command. Nothing to do with any coup.

And to keep it 100, Pence wouldn't be much better than Trump :francis:
 
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Yea but within a few hours they (nk) will cease to exist, I think to a certain extent people are under estimating that part of the equation, yes hundreds of thousands of South Koreans will die (imo it won't get close to the millions) but the moment that first missile hits the ground its over for NK and this won't be like the first, for many reasons.

Just read an article on what the war would look like that suggests defeating the North Korean military would be MUCH bloodier than we were talking about. And not just South Korea, but Japan could take it very, very badly too.


The brightest hope of prevention is that it could be executed so swiftly and decisively that North Korea would not have time to respond. This is a fantasy.

Kim’s arsenal is a tough target. “It’s not possible that you get 100 percent of it with high confidence, for a couple of reasons,” Michèle Flournoy, a former undersecretary of defense in the Obama administration and currently the CEO of the Center for a New American Security, told me when we spoke this spring. “One reason is, I don’t believe anybody has perfect intelligence about where all the nuclear weapons are. Two, I think there is an expectation that, when they do ultimately deploy nuclear weapons, they will likely put them on mobile systems, which are harder to find, track, and target. Some may also be in hardened shelters or deep underground. So it’s a difficult target set—not something that could be destroyed in a single bolt-from-the-blue attack.”

For years North Korea has had extensive batteries of conventional artillery—an estimated 8,000 big guns—just north of the demilitarized zone (DMZ), which is less than 40 miles from Seoul, South Korea’s capital, a metropolitan area of more than 25 million people. One high-ranking U.S. military officer who commanded forces in the Korean theater, now retired, told me he’d heard estimates that if a grid were laid across Seoul dividing it into three-square-foot blocks, these guns could, within hours, “pepper every single one.” This ability to rain ruin on the city is a potent existential threat to South Korea’s largest population center, its government, and its economic anchor. Shells could also deliver chemical and biological weapons. Adding nuclear ICBMs to this arsenal would put many more cities in the same position as Seoul. Nuclear-tipped ICBMs, according to Lewis, are the final piece of a defensive strategy “to keep Trump from doing anything regrettable after Kim Jong Un obliterates Seoul and Tokyo.”

North Korea is a forbidding, mountainous place, its terrain perfect for hiding and securing things. Ever since 1953, the country’s security and the survival of the Kim dynasty have relied on military stalemate. Resisting the American threat—surviving a first strike with the ability to respond—has been a cornerstone of the country’s military strategy for three generations.

And with only a few of its worst weapons, North Korea could, probably within hours, kill millions. This means an American first strike would likely trigger one of the worst mass killings in human history. In 2005, Sam Gardiner, a retired U.S. Air Force colonel who specialized in conducting war games at the National War College, estimated that the use of sarin gas alone would produce 1 million casualties. Gardiner now says, in light of what we have learned from gas attacks on civilians in Syria, that the number would likely be three to five times greater. And today North Korea has an even wider array of chemical and biological weapons than it did 12 years ago—the recent assassination of Kim’s half brother, Kim Jong Nam, demonstrated the potency of at least one compound, the nerve agent VX. The Kim regime is believed to have biological weapons including anthrax, botulism, hemorrhagic fever, plague, smallpox, typhoid, and yellow fever. And it has missiles capable of reaching Tokyo, a metropolitan area of nearly 38 million. In other words, any effort to crush North Korea flirts not just with heavy losses, but with one of the greatest catastrophes in human history.

If mass civilian killings were not a factor—if the war were a military contest alone—South Korea by itself could defeat its northern cousin. It would be a lopsided fight. South Korea’s economy is the world’s 11th-largest, and in recent decades the country has competed with Saudi Arabia for the distinction of being the No. 1 arms buyer. And behind South Korea stands the formidable might of the U.S. military.

But lopsided does not necessarily mean easy. The combined air power would rapidly defeat North Korea’s air force, but would face ground-to-air missiles—a gantlet far more treacherous than anything American pilots have encountered since Vietnam. In the American method of modern war, which depends on control of the skies, a large number of aircraft are aloft over the battlefield at once—fighters, bombers, surveillance planes, drones, and flying command and control platforms. Maintaining this flying armada would require eliminating Pyongyang’s defenses.

Locating and securing North Korea’s nuclear stockpiles and heavy weapons would take longer. Some years ago, Thomas McInerney, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and a Fox News military analyst who has been an outspoken advocate of a preventive strike, estimated with remarkable optimism that eliminating North Korea’s military threat would take 30 to 60 days.

But let’s suppose (unrealistically) that a preventive strike did take out every single one of Kim’s missiles and artillery batteries. That still leaves his huge, well-trained, and well-equipped army. A ground war against it would likely be more difficult than the first Korean War. In David Halberstam’s book The Coldest Winter, he described the memories of Herbert “Pappy” Miller, a sergeant with the First Cavalry Division, after a battle with North Korean troops near the village of Taejon in 1950:

No matter how well you fought, there were always more. Always. They would slip behind you, cut off your avenue of retreat, and then they would hit you on the flanks. They were superb at that, Miller thought. The first wave or two would come at you with rifles, and right behind them were soldiers without rifles ready to pick up the weapons of those who had fallen and keep coming. Against an army with that many men, everyone, he thought, needed an automatic weapon.

Today, American soldiers would all have automatic weapons—but so would the enemy. The North Koreans would not just make a frontal assault, either, the way they did in 1950. They are believed to have tunnels stretching under the DMZ and into South Korea. Special forces could be inserted almost anywhere in South Korea by tunnel, aircraft, boat, or the North Korean navy’s fleet of miniature submarines. They could wreak havoc on American and South Korean air operations and defenses, and might be able to smuggle a nuclear device to detonate under Seoul itself. And for those America Firsters who might view Asian losses as acceptable, consider that there are also some 30,000 Americans on the firing lines—and that even if those lives are deemed expendable, another immediate casualty of all-out war in Korea would likely be South Korea’s booming economy, whose collapse would be felt in markets all over the world.

So the cost of even a perfect first strike would be appalling. In 1969, long before Pyongyang had missiles or nukes, the risks were bad enough that Richard Nixon—hardly a man timid about using force—opted against retaliating after two North Korean aircraft shot down a U.S. spy plane, killing all 31 Americans on board.


How to Deal With North Korea
 

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Unless I'm reading that wrong, that's talking about what the president can do if he himself agrees that he's unable to perform his duties and consents to someone else taking over. :dame:

That only applies if he president consents to someone else taking command. Nothing to do with any coup.

And to keep it 100, Pence wouldn't be much better than Trump :francis:

Actually Congress can vote on it, they only need 2/3rd of a majority vote...:ufdup: if they declare him unfit for office...
 
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