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I wasn't a buyer of their unstable posture and China let them provoke the US as a distraction. I don't even think that they thought the strategy would be so successful.

If your mindset is that any deal is better than no deal, then we don't have anything to talk about:yeshrug:

Well that's it then.
 

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The signaling is now that, as long as you play your hand at developing weapons, you can bully the US into falling back. China and Russia can prop up regimes in contested areas of influence within the world and bully the US to bend to their will.

I had posted about this previously, but, from my understanding of the situation, it seems as though the status quo was probably the most beneficial outcome for the US within the region. Sometimes no move is better than any deal that you can get. Freeze them out, ignore them as a serious threat and continue to straighten your alliances in the area. There was no escalation in recent years until Trump himself came into office to posture for this meeting and what was exactly accomplished? Zero.

Play the contrarian role, though.
This I agree. Trump pulling out the Iran deal was a major strategic mistake because the Iranians see what is going on in Singapore and will say America respect nuclear power. Two weeks ago Khamenei ordered more nuclear enrichment. Trump had no idea that he is starting a nuclear crisis in the Mideast. If And when Iran pulls out the real because the Europeans are unable to handle secondary sanctions from the US, Iran restarts their nuclear program the US has two choices. Either let Iran develops nukes(unlikely) or start a massive far reaching bloody regional war in which makes Iraq/Afghanistan look like a pillow fight. The later is likely with Bolton and Pompeo united in hating Iran.
 

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this signed letter had no conditions including independent oversight, benchmarks, inventory reporting, etc...just vague feel good statements. While trump agreed to a tangible action of stopping military exercises...which are necessary for allied military forces, they’re not just for show.

This agent is literally completing all of Putin’s wishes in plain sight
 

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this signed letter had no conditions including independent oversight, benchmarks, inventory reporting, etc...just vague feel good statements. While trump agreed to a tangible action of stopping military exercises...which are necessary for allied military forces, they’re not just for show.

This agent is literally completing all of Putin’s wishes in plain sight

Before any optimism read about this one back in 1994 Statement By N. Korea And the U.S.

1. The DPRK is prepared to replace its graphite-moderated reactors and related facilities with light water reactor (LWR) power plants, and the USA is prepared to make arrangements for interim energy alternatives to the DPRK's graphite-moderated reactors. Upon receipt of USA assurances for the provision of LWRs and for arrangements for interim energy alternatives, the DPRK will freeze construction of the 50-megawatt (e) and 200-megawatt (e) reactors, forego reprocessing, and seal the Radiochemical Laboratory, to be monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

2. The DPRK and the USA are prepared to establish diplomatic representation in each other's capitals and to reduce barriers to trade and investment, as a move toward full normalization of political and economic relations.

3. To help achieve peace and security on a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, the USA is prepared to provide the DPRK with assurances against the threat or use of nuclear weapons by the USA, and the DPRK remains prepared to implement the North-South Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The DPRK is prepared to remain a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and to allow implementation of its safeguards agreement under the Treaty.
Sound similar? :francis:
 

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Its crazy how no one really sees wats going on, Russia and China are playing the most obvious game of propping up this fool to ultimately increase their influence on the international stage.
What is funny to me is that for years I tried to get people to consider geopolitics in this way and understanding that all of these countries were not remotely passive and that they all wanted to eat or lunch and embarrass us. Sad that it took Trump literally fukking it all up to get folks to realize this
 

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I hate American imperialism around the world. Personally, I would withdraw all troops from the Korean Peninsula and Japan as soon as SK and Japan were ready to defend themselves or if they reached a peace plan with NK.

But I'm not about to give props to a conman who is trying to portray a staged a photo-op as some kind of history changing action. This is so typical of Trump because at the end of the day, he is just an empty headed conman who lives for the attention.
American imperialism is such a good thing for the world. Clearly many of you did not realize what happened at the G7 when Trump thrashed all of that.

We must demand and pursue continued American dominance and leadership around the world.

I benefit from it. So do you. Stop lying to yourself.
 

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As already pointed out, the signed statement does not have any mechanisms in place to ensure that they denuclearize ( like the iran deal did).

I'm trying not to be a hater or come of as a hater and just looking at the situation on it's merits.

I'm still convinced a few months or years from now we will get a news story that they found out the North Koreans are building a new test site and haven't gotten rid of their weapons and then we're back to square one.

There is no logical reason for North Korea to get rid of all it's weapons. Especially after Bolton made the threat essentially of reminding them of what happened to Qaddafi after denuclearization. I think North Korea will get some money and aid from the US and then start the fukkery again. They've done it before.

But on the chance that I'm wrong, we will see. I'm in a wait and see mode about the whole thing.
 

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Not a MAGA fakkit, but I see general deescalation as a good thing. You don't?
I'm not a pacifist. If NK gotta get that work, they will get that work. Just like Iran. I don't play that "avoid war" game. Iraq was wrong because they lied, not because getting rid of Saddam is wrong. Syria and Libya had nuclear programs and we saw they got rid of them by force and diplomacy. If NK wants to play games, let's play.

De-escalation is only good if we get major concessions out of it. Otherwise they can keep it and we keep that pressure up on them.

Some of y'all gotta seriously consider the world you live in and what you want out of it.

This is nuclear war we are talking about. You must be prepared to consider all options, including dangerous, deadly catastrophic war. And it must be ready to take place.
 

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The signaling is now that, as long as you play your hand at developing weapons, you can bully the US into falling back. China and Russia can prop up regimes in contested areas of influence within the world and bully the US to bend to their will.

I had posted about this previously, but, from my understanding of the situation, it seems as though the status quo was probably the most beneficial outcome for the US within the region. Sometimes no move is better than any deal that you can get. Freeze them out, ignore them as a serious threat and continue to straighten your alliances in the area. There was no escalation in recent years until Trump himself came into office to posture for this meeting and what was exactly accomplished? Zero.

Play the contrarian role, though.
What folks don't realize is that North Koreans are why Iran has a nuclear program. Literally. They used the same scientists. They are one cargo flight away from becoming fully operational
 

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Trust me, I'm neither.
A position of strength??? :mjlol:
All those sanctions we put on nK with no result...what overwhelming strength!
You're not in a position of strength if your only recourse is negotiation or war (of the potentially nuclear variety)
Sanctions worked on NK. Had them begging for rice a few years ago
 

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Breaking the Chinese-Russian axis apart was a monumental geopolitical win for the US.

What is to be gained for opening N Korea up slightly and conceding your position in the region to a rising superpower? The situations are really only superficially comparable.

The fact that it might not be good for the US does not make it less historical.

You can't say something is not historical because the guy doing it is clown. Hence the Nixon example.
 
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