Norse 'Berserker' warriors

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Your argument went from you could beat bezerkers while they wielded weapons, to you could beat them if they had no weapons, to now Jon Jones could beat them with no weapons.

My argument was always about beating them without weapons Bird Chest, i just didnt articulate that until later. I think any man on the planet who is proficient with a knife and a sword can even the playing field against a superior athlete/fighter so to me, this isnt a good indicator of being a bad ass. Despite you being a puny bird chested fakkit, if you were an elite fencer, you could probably kill Jon Jones but since ur just a bird chested fakkit who gets knocked out shadow boxing, he'd annihilate you. The same goes for the Vikings. They were weapons specialists not real fighters which is why at the rawest of human ability, hand to hand combat, they are Nothings, like you. :whew:
 

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My argument was always about beating them with weapons Bird Chest, i just didnt articulate that until later. I think any man on the planet who is proficient with a knife and a sword can even the playing field against a superior athlete/fighter so to me, this isnt a good indicator of being a bad ass. Despite you being a puny bird chested fakkit, if you were an elite fencer, you could probably kill Jon Jones but since ur just a bird chested fakkit who gets knocked out shadow boxing, he'd annihilate you. The same goes for the Vikings. They were weapons specialists not real fighters which is why at the rawest of human ability, hand to hand combat, they are Nothings, like you. :whew:

That's a lot of assuming though JB. I guess everyone prior to BJJ just didn't know wtf they were doing eh?

I'm not saying berserkers were the end all to fighting but you dismissing battle hardened warriors with not so much as a second glance because you wrestle with dudes on the weekends.

Fact of the matter is a seasoned berserk would have WAY MORE real life hand to hand combat experience than you. Remember home boy YOU CAN TAP OUT. They couldn't and more often than not knife work comes down to wrastlin on the ground too.

On a side note....
I've seen some dudes build up that self induced adrenaline like a mofo before and IMHO adrenaline ain't nothing to fuk with. Had a boy of my no more than 185lbs completely kick a bend in half a metal stop sign because he was pissed. WHen it was all said and done he was definitely in a trance and didn't realize his shyt was broken for quite some time. (side not that same night i saw a clown on the corner at 3am with a knife...no joke freaked me the fuk out) But yeah. Adrenaline > half the dude you fuk with.
 

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That's a lot of assuming though JB. I guess everyone prior to BJJ just didn't know wtf they were doing eh?

I'm not saying berserkers were the end all to fighting but you dismissing battle hardened warriors with not so much as a second glance because you wrestle with dudes on the weekends.

Fact of the matter is a seasoned berserk would have WAY MORE real life hand to hand combat experience than you. Remember home boy YOU CAN TAP OUT. They couldn't and more often than not knife work comes down to wrastlin on the ground too.

On a side note....
I've seen some dudes build up that self induced adrenaline like a mofo before and IMHO adrenaline ain't nothing to fuk with. Had a boy of my no more than 185lbs completely kick a bend in half a metal stop sign because he was pissed. WHen it was all said and done he was definitely in a trance and didn't realize his shyt was broken for quite some time. (side not that same night i saw a clown on the corner at 3am with a knife...no joke freaked me the fuk out) But yeah. Adrenaline > half the dude you fuk with.
Man get off those Berzerkers nuts bruh. Battle hardened or not you're getting to emotional over these clowns. We arent talking knives because these guys would need a knife to fukk with Jon Jones as well as myself. Wild punches and their weak and pathetic ground and pound really has no answer for the standup and ground defenses/offenses of todays human beings. Its something you, as a weakling will have to come to grips with. Believe in the present because whats happened in the past is inferior to today:lawd:
 

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So now we got people claiming that modern sport fighters who've never caught a body have the same mindset as warriors who've killed others since childhood and spent their lives on battlefields. Yall aren't killers, period. :comeon:

The wild speculation about ancient fighting we don't know anything about is also useless.
 

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Man get off those Berzerkers nuts bruh. Battle hardened or not you're getting to emotional over these clowns. We arent talking knives because these guys would need a knife to fukk with Jon Jones as well as myself. Wild punches and their weak and pathetic ground and pound really has no answer for the standup and ground defenses/offenses of todays human beings. Its something you, as a weakling will have to come to grips with. Believe in the present because whats happened in the past is inferior to today:lawd:

lol and there we have it you've officiall jumped the shark.

JB = Jon Jones . . .:shaq:

Like i said, I'm not going to go so far as to say berserkers were some unstoppable force, but you're writing off experienced close combat soldiers on a theory. At BEST I'd give an MMA type cat the upper hand but not a definitive upper hand.

Other question is would the fight take place out in the rocks n shyt or in an air conditioned matted polygon type arena?

And are we fighting for lives where no biting and RULES play into effect?

I've seen dudes try to use some of that mma shyt in real fights to only have their balls crushed in some dudes hand.

Arm bars do not work in real fights...just sayin dudes were biting their own shield a piece of your leg or arm is just extra protein for the next fight.
 

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This topic had me looking into some historical martial arts for the icelandic people, seems they have a p. cool folk wrestling tradition like most warrior cultures

Journal of Western Martial Art



kinda looks like a combo of sumo and Shuai Jiao :ehh:

So now we got people claiming that modern sport fighters who've never caught a body have the same mindset as warriors who've killed others since childhood and spent their lives on battlefields. Yall aren't killers, period. :comeon:

The wild speculation about ancient fighting we don't know anything about is also useless.
yeah, this logic is pretty silly to me. Either way combat athletes fight in controlled environments for a set period of time, with a referee, rules, uniform terrain. I love combat sports, but even with size/nutrition arguments ill take trained warriors in real time environments every single time. There's an element of aliveness thats lost with every rule that I think is vital in life or death combat personally.

Basically what you train for is what you get, IMO.
 
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This topic had me looking into some historical martial arts for the icelandic people, seems they have a p. cool folk wrestling tradition like most warrior cultures

Journal of Western Martial Art

Icelandic Glima Action Highlights Video 1 - YouTube

kinda looks like a combo of sumo and Shuai Jiao :ehh:

Glima is difficult, because a lot of what we know about it is pure fabrication or completely modern (as with a lot of other stuff about ancient Nordic cultures.) We know that there was wrestling there in older times, but the specifics are completely unknown to us. The first Glima competition that we have recorded was only in 1888. Plus I've seen random white dudes who claim that they are Glima masters and that this was an ancient viking martial art with spiritual connotations, which seems like bullshyt since we don't really know much about it one way or the other.
 

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Glima is difficult, because a lot of what we know about it is pure fabrication or completely (as with a lot of other stuff about ancient Nordic cultures.) We know that there was wrestling there in older times, but the specifics are completely unknown to us. The first Glima competition that we have recorded was only in 1888. Plus I've seen random white dudes who claim that they are Glima masters and that this was an ancient viking martial art with spiritual connotations, which seems like bullshyt since we don't really know much about it one way or the other.
There are a lot of white dudes that like to try and retroactively syncretize western martial art traditions from the past with eastern shyt :huhldup: on some "oh we had martial arts just like them etc etc".

I feel like this is unnecessary, and that western martial arts have demonstrated their success time and time again on the battlefield anyway, so I don't get it. It's funny how they feel the need to take the whole master persona or whatever.
 

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My argument was always about beating them without weapons Bird Chest, i just didnt articulate that until later. I think any man on the planet who is proficient with a knife and a sword can even the playing field against a superior athlete/fighter so to me, this isnt a good indicator of being a bad ass. Despite you being a puny bird chested fakkit, if you were an elite fencer, you could probably kill Jon Jones but since ur just a bird chested fakkit who gets knocked out shadow boxing, he'd annihilate you. The same goes for the Vikings. They were weapons specialists not real fighters which is why at the rawest of human ability, hand to hand combat, they are Nothings, like you. :whew:

Nah, I told you you couldn't take out a swinging axe with an ankle lock and you made no objection to the weapons component, you just said you would win.

You seem to have backed off the claim that you can beat them a bit and instead are now talking about Jon Jones. Are you really saying you, the 35 year old 5'9" 180 lb. IT guy/career message board troll/video game addict who rolls around on mats with southern California fratboy cacs a couple of times a week can beat most of these dudes in a fight to the death?
 

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lol and there we have it you've officiall jumped the shark.

JB = Jon Jones . . .:shaq:

Like i said, I'm not going to go so far as to say berserkers were some unstoppable force, but you're writing off experienced close combat soldiers on a theory. At BEST I'd give an MMA type cat the upper hand but not a definitive upper hand.

Other question is would the fight take place out in the rocks n shyt or in an air conditioned matted polygon type arena?

And are we fighting for lives where no biting and RULES play into effect?

I've seen dudes try to use some of that mma shyt in real fights to only have their balls crushed in some dudes hand.

Arm bars do not work in real fights...just sayin dudes were biting their own shield a piece of your leg or arm is just extra protein for the next fight.
As a professional you know what to use and when bruh. Only some inexperienced blue belt is going to go into a life or death situation and say *OK IM GOING FOR THE ARM BAR HERE* Stop it. You fight like like a rabid animal so you cant understand the tactical advantage someone with 10k plus hours sparring on mats and from stand up has over some dumb gorilla whos just swinging for the fences. These guys werent strikers and compared to todays mma fighters they were weaklings who would get thrown OFF a cliff. You think these guys are taking down Jon Bones JOnes :russ: I laugh at chew. I doubt a fight would even make it to the ground against these clowns. They couldnt even handle the strikes let alone the positional dominance of BJJ and Greco Roman Wrestling. Its too elite for their primitive fighting styles. Again, the nuts. Stop that. The nuts wont always be there to be grabbed and in a life or death situation a fighter who constantly has to watch out for groin shots that may hit him on *accident* i doubt some snarling maggot feverishly groin grabbing is going to get a pay day. Unless they're fighting on a tight rope i dont care where it is, Jon Jones kills Viking by death. There really isnt one thing a Viking can do besides prepare to die. Maybe throw some dirty or bite but these are just the death rattles, of a sissy.
 

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Nah, I told you you couldn't take out a swinging axe with an ankle lock and you made no objection to the weapons component, you just said you would win.

You seem to have backed off the claim that you can beat them a bit and instead are now talking about Jon Jones. Are you really saying you, the 35 year old 5'9" 180 lb. IT guy/career message board troll/video game addict who rolls around on mats with southern California fratboy cacs a couple of times a week can beat most of these dudes in a fight to the death?

:popcorn:
 

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There are a lot of white dudes that like to try and retroactively syncretize western martial art traditions from the past with eastern shyt :huhldup: on some "oh we had martial arts just like them etc etc".

I feel like this is unnecessary, and that western martial arts have demonstrated their success time and time again on the battlefield anyway, so I don't get it. It's funny how they feel the need to take the whole master persona or whatever.

Yeah you're right. In fact, all the Glima "masters" I looked up online (claim to) have backgrounds in Eastern martial arts, which I guess is not surprising. It seems to be another part of the general orientalist/new age strain of modern thinking. I'm willing to bet they just pass off other stuff as Glima and that there's a marketing gimmick involved in the novelty, too.
 

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Nah, I told you you couldn't take out a swinging axe with an ankle lock and you made no objection to the weapons component, you just said you would win.

You seem to have backed off the claim that you can beat them a bit and instead are now talking about Jon Jones. Are you really saying you, the 35 year old 5'9" 180 lb. IT guy/career message board troll/video game addict who rolls around on mats with southern California fratboy cacs a couple of times a week can beat most of these dudes in a fight to the death?


My training is more extensive then your jokes but yea, id kill those clown ass Vikings. Wouldnt be difficult at all to take one down and throttle him into another phase of life. One leg kick induces the bum rush which is his indoctrination into death. In your case im sure theyd find you hiding in a closet somewhere begging for your life.
 

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As a professional you know what to use and when bruh. Only some inexperienced blue belt is going to go into a life or death situation and say *OK IM GOING FOR THE ARM BAR HERE* Stop it. You fight like like a rabid animal so you cant understand the tactical advantage someone with 10k plus hours sparring on mats and from stand up has over some dumb gorilla whos just swinging for the fences. These guys werent strikers and compared to todays mma fighters they were weaklings who would get thrown OFF a cliff. You think these guys are taking down Jon Bones JOnes :russ: I laugh at chew. I doubt a fight would even make it to the ground against these clowns. They couldnt even handle the strikes let alone the positional dominance of BJJ and Greco Roman Wrestling. Its too elite for their primitive fighting styles. Again, the nuts. Stop that. The nuts wont always be there to be grabbed and in a life or death situation a fighter who constantly has to watch out for groin shots that may hit him on *accident* i doubt some snarling maggot feverishly groin grabbing is going to get a pay day. Unless they're fighting on a tight rope i dont care where it is, Jon Jones kills Viking by death. There really isnt one thing a Viking can do besides prepare to die. Maybe throw some dirty or bite but these are just the death rattles, of a sissy.

I noticed, as VVD pointed out, you've slowly replaced yourself with Jon Jones. :wrist:

You always get your boyfriends to fight your shyt for you?

your 10k mat hours < 5k in battle fighting for your life + 20 years of military training and fighting.

Sorry JB that's just life. You got yourself all gased up looking at the oiled up pick of Jones on your wall that you've blinded yourself to way to much shyt. Do yourself a favor, take your eyes off your man for a second and listen to what some of these intelligent guys are saying. I've told you once before and i'll tell you again I have an MMA background too JB and even at that I'm not saying an MMA dude couldn't win, just that i'd not bet the farm on it either.
 

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crazed warrior nomads who ate raw meat

Vikings & their Gods - Berserker

To gain this bear-like strength, the berserk might drink the blood of a bear or wolf (Ibid., p. 45):

Straight away bring your throat to its steaming blood and devour the feast of its body with ravenous jaws. Then new force will enter your frame, an unlooked-for vigor will come to your muscles, accumulation of solid strength soak through every sinew" (Saxo, Vol. I, p. 25).

Other ritual practices attributed to berserks may represent the initiation of the young warrior into a band of berserkers. Such bands are mentioned in the sagas, oftentimes numbering twelve warriors. Another commin feature of these bands is the name of the leaser, which is often "Bjorn" or a variant, meaning 'bear." The form of this initiation is a battle, either real or simulated, with a bear or other fearsome adversary. Grettirs Saga tells of a situation of this sort, when a man named Bjorn throws Grettir's cloak into the den of a bear. Grettir slays the bear, recovers his claok, and returns with the bear's paw as a token of his victory (Fox and Palsson, pp. 62-67

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