“Nobody feared LeBron. I’ve heard people say including myself that they feared Michael Jeffrey Jordan” Shaq

[Luke Cage]

I played against Lebron in highschool. I wasn't scared of him either. But i was riding the bench

 

[Osmosis]

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

They feared MJ and they feared Kobe, and all of yall know this which is why it is that much more disgusting that yall try to downplay Kobe as if he ain't in the GOAT convo, just to boost up Bron.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

LOL, what fukking legend did Kobe deny?


Bron beat elite Pistons, Celtics, Thunder, Spurs, and Warriors squads with a gang of future HOFers on each one. Kobe doesn't have even close to that track record as a #1.

I'll give you the bolded. You pressed about the other 3. Pistons were 3-4 yrs past their apex when they lost to the Cavs. Celtics were in the same boat (and they STILL pushed them to 7). Thunder were mad young as we saw, couldn't duplicate another Finals run.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'll give you the bolded. You pressed about the other 3. Pistons were 3-4 yrs past their apex when they lost to the Cavs.

3-4 years past their apex? Where do you come up with such bullshyt?

03: 50 wins
04: 54 wins
05: 54 wins
06: 64 wins
07: 53 wins
08: 59 wins

The '06 Pistons were literally the peak Pistons team. Billups was 29, Rip was 27, Prince was 25, Sheed was 31, and Ben was 31. They had 4 All-Stars and all of them were playing at their absolute peak. They also had the most experience and chemistry at that point. And 21yo Bron with scrubs still built a 3-2 lead on them and was damn near one rebound away from taking them out in Game 6.

You want to suggest the 03' Pistons were the apex, before they had even won anything lol? The '04 team caught magic, but they only had 1 all-star that year, Billups/Rip/Prince were young as hell, they had zero Finals experience, and Sheed had only been with the team like 20 games. The only reason they won in '04 and not '05/'06 was because the East comp was terrible in '04 and Lakers self-destructed. In later years they were a better team, but their competition was much better as well.

The '07 Pistons were playing MUCH closer to their peak than the 50-win '91 Pistons were, and MJ still gets credit for beating them and pulling up to a 1-3 record against their squad, right?

Celtics were in the same boat (and they STILL pushed them to 7).

LeBron dismissed the '11 Celtics who were just 10 months removed from the 2010 Finals. So Kobe gets credit for barely beating the Celtics despite Ray being hurt and Perkins being out, but LeBron gets no credit for beating the same team perfectly healthy just 10 months later?

Thunder were mad young as we saw, couldn't duplicate another Finals run.

That's completely disingenuous. That Thunder core was playing their third straight postseason together and had made the '11 WCF against Dallas, Durant was older and more experienced than Bron was in '07 and with a far better squad. Durant was MVP runner-up for the 2nd straight year and 1st-team All-NBA, Westbrook was 2nd-team All-NBA, Harden was 6MOY about to pull a max contract and Ibaka was a DPOY runner-up. That team was stacked. They didn't replicate because Harden left to the Rockets after that season and Westbrook/Durant got hurt two of the next three years. Even Westbrook/Durant alone with no Harden still pushed an all-time Spurs team to 6 in the WCF in 2014 and a 73-win Warriors team to 7 in the 2016 WCF.

I love that Kobe gets credit for taking 6 games to beat the baby Thunder in the 1st round in 2010 (that's a 50-win team, tough matchup!), but Bron doesn't get credit for whupping them in 5 when they were actually elite and experienced two years later.

 

[Mike18jj]

I saw that sneak diss in the poll, y’all can sign Kirk Cousins it don’t matter.

We going to still beat that ass twice next year

 

[ISO]

shyt isn’t true the clips and newspaper can easily be pulled up

Bron gets this shyt because he was never on no tough guy shyt or a trash talker

Same pod he said Gobert wasn’t a good defender

Shaq you’re a casual man *Christian Wood voice

 

[10bandz]

The best analogy I heard that Chris Broussard claimed a former NBA player told him was that players viewed Jordan/Kobe like prime Mike Tyson whereas LeBron is viewed as Floyd Mayweather.

That’s decent

 

[RennisDeynolds]

"Ring for the King" cavs days just forgotten about huh

 

[MJ Truth]

Shaq is one of the most insecure superstars ever

Jordan leads that list.

 

[areohbee824]

I guess we gotta tear down Shaq's accomplishments and attack his personal life now because he's hating

 

[10bandz]

He and an entire conference in a chokehold? A conference where teams with 35 wins were making the playoffs

 

[10bandz]

Kobe beat more 50 win teams in the playoffs than anybody but act like he didn’t deny anybody brehs

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The best analogy I heard that Chris Broussard claimed a former NBA player told him was that players viewed Jordan/Kobe like prime Mike Tyson whereas LeBron is viewed as Floyd Mayweather.

That's not a terrible comparison for MJ and LeBron. Hard to see how Kobe fits in there considering that he wasn't ever winning dominant like that.....


If MJ is Tyson and Bron is Floyd, then Kobe is Oscar de la Hoya.

 

[Diondon]

He and an entire conference in a chokehold? A conference where teams with 35 wins were making the playoffs

nikka nemeses were PG and big, bad Demar Derozan