Noam Chomsky: Unvaccinated should 'remove themselves from the community,' access to food 'their prob

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I'm vaccinated dude. I just have listened to and tried to understand my fellow American who thinks different than me on this topic without harsh judgement. You should try it. lol
So you’re being a contrarian a$$hole. I’m not going try and understand children. You can do that for me. Problem is everything you’ve said as their excuse isn’t grounded in the real world or reality. They got brainwashed
 

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If you are vaxxed your risk is low regardless of what other people do isn't that the point?
I'd say this depends on the vaccine, and on the fact if one is eligible for the third dose.

The study on US veterans, efficiency against infection in March against alfa and in August against delta:

Janssen
March 88%
August 3%

Moderna
March 92%
August 64%

Pfizer
March 91%
August 50%

Findings support continued efforts to increase vaccination and an immediate, national return to additional layers of protection against infection.

Link:
Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in 620,000 U.S. Veterans, February 1, 2021 to August 13, 2021


Additional layers of protection means vaccine is not enough on its own.
It matters what other people do.


I'd add that people on J&J vaccine urgently need additional dose of Moderna.
 

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So you’re being a contrarian a$$hole. I’m not going try and understand children. You can do that for me. Problem is everything you’ve said as their excuse isn’t grounded in the real world or reality. They got brainwashed
What? If I got the vaccine I have to believe in mandates? That's flawed logic.
So now you are for Authoritarianism as a solution? Who really got brainwashed? :francis:
 

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I'd say this depends on the vaccine, and on the fact if one is eligible for the third dose.

The study on US veterans, efficiency against infection in March against alfa and in August against delta:

Janssen
March 88%
August 3%

Moderna
March 92%
August 64%

Pfizer
March 91%
August 50%



Link:
Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in 620,000 U.S. Veterans, February 1, 2021 to August 13, 2021


Additional layers of protection means vaccine is not enough on its own.
It matters what other people do.


I'd add that people on J&J vaccine urgently need additional dose of Moderna.
I appreciate the science but I think we are talking about the most effective way to get the unvaccinated vaccinated. Threatening them with forced isolation isn't it IMO.
 
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What? If I got the vaccine I have to believe in mandates? That's flawed logic.
So now you are for Authoritarianism as a solution? Who really got brainwashed? :francis:
Bruh wtf are you even talking about??? Like calling a vaccine mandate “authoritarianism” is so fukking ridiculous. Honestly wtf is wrong with you?
 

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I'd say this depends on the vaccine, and on the fact if one is eligible for the third dose.

The study on US veterans, efficiency against infection in March against alfa and in August against delta:

Janssen
March 88%
August 3%

Moderna
March 92%
August 64%

Pfizer
March 91%
August 50%



Link:
Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in 620,000 U.S. Veterans, February 1, 2021 to August 13, 2021


Additional layers of protection means vaccine is not enough on its own.
It matters what other people do.


I'd add that people on J&J vaccine urgently need additional dose of Moderna.


When you make statements like this you should be clear about type of vaccine effectiveness you're talking about.

I'm assuming you're talking about symptomatic infection and not effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization, or death.
 

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When you make statements like this you should be clear about type of vaccine effectiveness you're talking about.

I'm assuming you're talking about symptomatic infection and not effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization, or death.

Any infection, not just symptomatic.



But...

Lungs may be damaged even after an asymptomatic infection.
(Fibrosis would be like a scar on lungs, but it causes no pain)

The incidence of COVID-induced pulmonary fibrosis caused by COVID can be estimated based on a 15-year observational study of lung pathology after SARS. Most SARS patients with fibrotic lung damage recovered within the first year and then remained healthy; however, in 20% of the cases, significant fibrosis progression was found in 5-10 years. Based on these data, the incidence rate of post-COVID lung fibrosis can be estimated at 2-6% after moderate illness. What is worse, there are reasons to believe that fibrosis may become one of the major long-term complications of COVID, even in asymptomatic individuals. Currently, despite the best efforts of the global medical community, there are no treatments for COVID-induced pulmonary fibrosis.

Link:
Lung Fibrosis after COVID-19: Treatment Prospects - PubMed

Also there are some indications of possible long term neurological and renal consequences and on heart and on fertility in both sexes, even after mild disease.
 

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None seeing as how we haven’t seen shyt like this since 1918 nikka.. It’s a fukkin pandemic


fukk is wrong with you people??
What's wrong with you? Why sentence people to a certain slow death of starvation/poverty just because they don't agree with the mandate?
Wash your hands, wear a madk and watch your distance and we can all get thru this together instead of creating resentment and divisions between people in society that would last decades after the fact. It's short sighted and dumb IMO.
 
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