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So no one ever leaves the program? No one quits, no one retires?
I'm curious about this as well. There were people within the retrieval program that came forward in the complaint, Ross Coulthart stated that they are considering coming forward publicly.. those are the guys who I wanna hear from next

I'm over the "I heard from so and so", next step is to hear from the other guys publicly. Congress will, but I want the public to also
 

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I really don't see what a lie detector does, as he isn't the only one making these claims. He's just the only one who has attached his name publicly to it. That Jonathan Grey NASIC intel guy, and the Colonel Nell also did in the article but as we know a dozen others are attached to the IC IG complaint

Not sure what a lie detector does if he provided information/documents, then had his information corroborated in the complaint
Exactly

If he’s already provided documents that we aren’t able to see yet, and have multiple people from different sources coming forward and backing what he’s claimed or shown then :hubie:

They could polygraph him but not sure if it would make a difference.
 

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A thought. How about Grusch agrees to go through a paneled lie detector/ truth serum test?

Lie detectors are pseudoscience.

"Assessments of polygraphy by scientific and government bodies generally suggest that polygraphs are highly inaccurate, may easily be defeated by countermeasures, and are an imperfect or invalid means of assessing truthfulness. A comprehensive 2003 review by the National Academy of Sciences of existing research concluded that there was "little basis for the expectation that a polygraph test could have extremely high accuracy." The American Psychological Association states that "most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.""





As well as full psychological exam for personality disorder or mental illness.

Not sure what you think that would accomplish. Look at Trump. He's one of the most obvious compulsive liars ever, but none of his doctors have ever said he has a personality disorder / mental illness. To a lot of people it appears he does, but I bet if you have 10 different psychologists examine him, you would get a huge range of conclusions.

Besides, I doubt very many people think Grusch is mentally ill.




That would offer some objective evidence and shut a lot of people up.


Outside of the fact that neither of those are "objective evidence" of anything, what if the most likely story is that Grusch simply became too impressionable and is believing stories other people told him without as much evidence as should be necessary to substantiate such wild claims?
 

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I'm curious about this as well. There were people within the retrieval program that came forward in the complaint, Ross Coulthart stated that they are considering coming forward publicly.. those are the guys who I wanna hear from next

I'm over the "I heard from so and so", next step is to hear from the other guys publicly. Congress will, but I want the public to also
They retired the UAP program and started another

Plenty of people left these programs after they were done. You’re still sworn to secrecy even if you no longer have a clearance
 

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I'm curious about this as well. There were people within the retrieval program that came forward in the complaint, Ross Coulthart stated that they are considering coming forward publicly.. those are the guys who I wanna hear from next

I'm over the "I heard from so and so", next step is to hear from the other guys publicly. Congress will, but I want the public to also


I think we'll hear from some of them soon enough, and it'll be hardly anything more definitive than what we're hearing here.


"I was assigned to help recover a crashed object. My superiors didn't tell me it was alien, but I'd never seen a drone that looked like this before. I did my job and didn't hear anything more about it, but I keep hearing rumors that it was alien."


"I was assigned to study a piece of metal we found that had come from a crashed object. It had some heavy metals in it and surprising isotope concentrations. They didn't tell me it was alien, but I think it was."


"Once someone showed me a picture of a body or something that they said was a pilot of one of the craft. I don't remember the exact circumstances, it was a long time ago so I might have some things confused. I never saw the body myself."


"I heard from so-and-so that such-and-such had happened, though I didn't see it myself."







That sort of shyt, and repeats of the same old radar glitches or equipment malfunctions that are then reinterpreted as ET interference, are primarily what we will hear from the internal whistleblowers.
 

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So no one ever leaves the program? No one quits, no one retires?

you can leave/retire but you still signed the NDA and when you exit the program you have to sign out of it also and sign a futher NDA. People who have earned their retirements and pensions have a lot to consider when disclosing this information. For all the talk I hear about how we have issues maintaining secrecy it's a ton of secrecy still and many people don't care to know. The good thing is they changed the wording to make it more open ended NHI.
 

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What I really get from all this is things started picking up once we had nukes.

Whether some of the species are malevolent or benevolent, they probably don’t want to see us destroying the planet in that way (which is why there’s been evidence of the shutting off our nukes or hanging around nuclear facilities).

Our planet is probably one of the more unique ones out there with many hosts of life. So they probably staying lowkey because of any signs of something we don’t understand or any aggression, we’ll probably go kamikaze and start nuking everything.
Yeah that's what that Greer guy says.

He says there electro magnetic fields/waves that shoot from Earth to space, etc. Like a constant stream I assume. And he says nuclear material when released basically disrupts this constant flow of waves. It must wreak havoc on things.

That's why they were around alot decades ago when nukes were launched. And that's why they monitor military bases
 

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Can anyone briefly explain how the interdimensional thing works?

Like how can they be from Earth but not from our 3rd dimension?
 

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Yeah that's what that Greer guy says.

He says there electro magnetic fields/waves that shoot from Earth to space, etc. Like a constant stream I assume. And he says nuclear material when released basically disrupts this constant flow of waves. It must wreak havoc on things.

That's why they were around alot decades ago when nukes were launched. And that's why they monitor military bases
It is believed that the earth gives its own energy and there are points on earth that give off more energy and have more gravity and stuff. Thats why, according to some, ancient civilizations had temples and things of that nature built in those places.

So I think thats a possibility. The rabbit hole I went down after the interview mentioned these things
 

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I think we'll hear from some of them soon enough, and it'll be hardly anything more definitive than what we're hearing here.


"I was assigned to help recover a crashed object. My superiors didn't tell me it was alien, but I'd never seen a drone that looked like this before. I did my job and didn't hear anything more about it, but I keep hearing rumors that it was alien."


"I was assigned to study a piece of metal we found that had come from a crashed object. It had some heavy metals in it and surprising isotope concentrations. They didn't tell me it was alien, but I think it was."


"Once someone showed me a picture of a body or something that they said was a pilot of one of the craft. I don't remember the exact circumstances, it was a long time ago so I might have some things confused. I never saw the body myself."


"I heard from so-and-so that such-and-such had happened, though I didn't see it myself."







That sort of shyt, and repeats of the same old radar glitches or equipment malfunctions that are then reinterpreted as ET interference, are primarily what we will hear from the internal whistleblowers.
At the end of the day the only way we ever get anything definitive is to have the govt come out and say that they have these things (unlikely for various reasons like lawsuits, hearings on white collar crimes, distrust of the American people, economic issues, etc).... or if a citizen is able to get their hands on valid proof and release it (and let's be honest, there are gonna be skeptics all over the internet not believing them either lol)

This is just the next logical step into further investigations until one of those 2 options happens
 

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At the end of the day the only way we ever get anything definitive is to have the govt come out and say that they have these things (unlikely for various reasons like lawsuits, hearings on white collar crimes, distrust of the American people, economic issues, etc).... or if a citizen is able to get their hands on valid proof and release it (and let's be honest, there are gonna be skeptics all over the internet not believing them either lol)

This is just the next logical step into further investigations until one of those 2 options happens
They could just pop up on the whitehouse lawn too but probably don’t want to destabilize the planet like that either.

But at this point, I’m more concerned about the technology. They don’t have to show up, but the technology could mostly help, even though because of “war”, greed, the desire of control (which seems to be what these governments want the most), someone would probably try to use it to create another weapon.

Also what I thought was interesting was Grusch saying that the Vatican DEFINITELY knows aliens exist. Like it sounded like that was something he didn’t even hesitate to say.
 

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Read through the history of the Roswell incident, and it's a perfect case study of how people involved in routine shyt can blow it way out of proportion to the point that even their own memories are compromised.




Step 1: Air Force's top secret Project Mogul launches high-altitude balloons in an attempt to detect Soviet nuclear tests. On June 4, 1947, the Project Mogul balloon NYU Flight 4 crashes in the desert near Roswell. It's crash location is unknown to the authorities and it is not recovered.

Step 2: Starting on June 24, a giant flying saucer craze sweeps across America after pilot Kenneth Arnold claims to see 9 flying saucers flying in tandem [Arnold would later go on to become a successful Republican politician and reported seven additional UFO sightings in his life.] For two weeks, hundreds of people all across America reported copycat UFO sightings.

Step 3: Sometime in June, the rancher Mac Brazel discovered the NYU Flight 4 crash debris on his ranch, which consisted primarily of tinfoil, rubber, and thin wooden beams. He thought little of it and just kicked it under some bushes. Being on an isolated ranch without a radio, he was unaware of the ongoing UFO craze.

Step 4: On July 5th, Brazel goes into town and learns of the flying saucer craze. He thinks back to the strange foil he found on his ranch weeks earlier and goes to get some to bring back to tell the sheriff and the local air force base (not the base that was running the top secret Project Mogul). The base's public relations officer announces that someone has found debris from a UFO.

Step 5: A major from the air force collects some of the debris with the rancher, and together they go to Fort Worth Army Air Field. General Roger Ramsey there immediately identifies it as belonging to some sort of weather balloon. All news stories and pictures of the debris from the time fit this description, and the story is dropped.

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Step 5: Over thirty years after the event, in 1978, the air force officer who originally accompanied the rancher started saying that the weather balloon explanation was "just a cover story", and he believed the debris was actually extraterrestrial in origin. This eventually leads to an Air Force investigation which determines that the debris was most likely from a Project Mogul balloon, and had been labeled as a weather balloon in order to hide the existence of a program monitoring Soviet nuclear tests.

"Actually, this material may have looked like tinfoil and balsa wood, but the resemblance ended there ... They took one picture of me on the floor holding up some of the less-interesting metallic debris ... The stuff in that one photo was pieces of the actual stuff we found. It was not a staged photo."

Note - at no time did this officer ever state that he saw alien bodies and he consistently denied there were alien bodies present, even as he pushed the claims that the debris was extraterrestrial. He also stated consistently that the pictures of him with the debris were accurate photos of the debris he found, including in the book he wrote on the incident, until the pictures were demonstrated to perfectly match Project Mogul balloon debris, at which point he began claiming the photos were staged. This fits a pattern of fabrication in the officer's life, such as claiming to be a pilot (he was not) and claiming to have received five air force medals for shooting down enemy planes (he did not).



Step 6: Suddenly, the officer's claims release a torrent of Roswell witness claims in the 1980s-2000s, forty to fifty years after the actual events. Most of the witnesses contradict both the "official" version as well as the original discovering officer's new version of events. At least 11 different crash sites are claimed for the original crash, some hundreds of miles apart. Alien bodies are introduced for the first time, anywhere from two to eight depending on the story, sometimes dead and sometimes alive. Different retellings appear to mimic various true and fictional events that occurred in the intervening time period, including:

1948-1950: Four air force crashes occurred in the desert during this time, each requiring the recovery of dead or injured airmen

1949: a hoax in Aztec, New Mexico, where conmen tricked a newspaper into reporting a story about the recovery of alien bodies from a flying saucer crash

1950s: the recovery of anthropomorphic dummies from the desert during tests of Operation High Dive

1963: the first report of "grays" from the Betty and Barney Hill abduction story, copying a recent Outer Limits episode



With the massive publicity among Roswell, and most of the new "witnesses" being in their 70s to 90s and speaking of events 40-50 years in the past, events were confused and false memories were created. There can't be 11 completely different crash sites. There can't be 6 completely different stories of how the crash site was discovered. There can't be zero, two, or eight bodies found dead or alive depending. It makes no sense that for over 30 years, there was just one rancher and one air force officer who found the debris, which is clearly mundane in the photographs, and never reported any bodies, and then 40 years later all of the sudden there are dozens of people claiming to have been involved somehow with wildly different stories than what started the hysteria.



Read the article. Look into the evidence. Look at how easy stories take on a life of their own, hysteria spreads, people get confused and create false memories, and ridiculous narratives emerge. Considering all the contradictions, you know that most of the stories have to be fake. So can you see how it happens?




For more great examples of how mass hysteria leads to easily debunked alien sightings from well-meaning people:



 
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