NJ passed bail reform in 2017,* now lawmakers have amended bail laws for gun crimes

[CrimsonTider]

Like I said before, @CrimsonTider doesn't read anything unless it has to do with Alabama football or The Shade Room-like content. He isn't an intellectually curious person which is why he holds reactionary positions.

He won't change his ways and won't try to, which isn't that dissimilar from a Trump supporter.

Whats fukked is that is how most Americans tend to view these issues.

* I wrote a concise 1-paragraph, 4-sentence argument.

* Then a line making fun of you for being from Alabama and yet not knowing that already.

* Followed by 2 sentences recommending a book.



How the fukk do you have the time to write 74,000 comments but can't read? This is why you don't know shyt.

Downplaying this quote in order to highlight that people that committed misdemeanors weren’t re arrested doesn’t address this

Will one of y’all explain what we’re suppose to do with information?

The one exception was for bail-eligible people who were released following recent violent felony arrests. The rate of rearrests for that cohort of offenders increased slightly.

No one thinks people committing misdemeanors should be locked up before trial if they can’t afford bail.

But this quote is directly from that article and it’s where the focus should be.

 

[DEAD7]

Like I said, just arguing to argue…





I’ve been there… many times
Throw in the towel @CrimsonTider
This isn’t the hill fam.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Downplaying this quote in order to highlight that people that committed misdemeanors weren’t re arrested doesn’t address this

Why are you ignoring the central paragraph I typed that's been pointed out to you twice already? The one that kills your entire narrative?

Will one of y’all explain what we’re suppose to do with information?

No one thinks people committing misdemeanors should be locked up before trial if they can’t afford bail.

But this quote is directly from that article and it’s where the focus should be.

Three options:


Option #1: Since it's a relatively small cohort and the difference was just "increased slightly", you just ignore it. It has no major impact on public safety.

Option #2: You give judges more latitude to decide terms based on other circumstances. I'm not sure if you even read the study, but those arrests and bail weren't for violent offenses, they were misdemeanors/nonviolent offenses for accused persons who had recently been indicted separately in other cases for other violent offenses. So judges would need more latitude to determine bail based on other circumstances, while you've repeatedly said in the past that you want them to have less.

Option #3: Recognize that police might just be harassing guys who they want for something else. If you've lived in a gang neighborhood before, you'll know that when a guy gets involved with the police and caught up in something, police will spend a lot of extra time swinging back around his spots and grabbing him for anything at all. Since the cases in question were specific to guys who had recently gotten caught up in a bigger case, it's possible the elevation in arrest rates for that specific group had more to do with police behavior than with their own behavior.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Unless they are on the Alabama Crimson Tide football team and a star on the men’s basketball team when they have a good team.

That was the only time he stopped being a reactionary, right-wing, pro-incarceration fanatic and suddenly got all invested in reasonable doubt.

 

[get these nets]

*Gov. Hochul's full comments about changes in bail reform laws, as she announces agreement on new state budget 4/28/23

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New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion​

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Gov. Kathy Hochul said that, while she still supports the 2019 changes to the state’s bail laws, she believed that “judges should have more authority to set bail and detain dangerous defendants.”Credit...Yuki Iwamura/Associated Press


By Jesse McKinley, Grace Ashford and Hurubie Meko
April 28, 2023
ALBANY, N.Y. — It was just four years ago that New York’s Democratic lawmakers celebrated a new law that eliminated bail for most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies and, at the time, seemingly added a measure of new justice to a system long faulted for pre-emptively punishing the poor.
On Thursday night, however, after months of grueling negotiations, Gov. Kathy Hochul announced that the state would scale back those changes — for the third time — after a sharp rebuke from New York’s voters and residents over a rise in crime.
“It was very clear that changes need to be made,” the governor said.
The precise details are unknown — the law is still being drafted as part of the state budget that is expected to be ratified next week — but Ms. Hochul said that she and the Legislature intend to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Rest of article

New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion (Published 2023)

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

www.nytimes.com

 

[CrimsonTider]

*Gov. Hochul's full comments about changes in bail reform laws, as she announces agreement on new state budget 4/28/23

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New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion​

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Gov. Kathy Hochul said that, while she still supports the 2019 changes to the state’s bail laws, she believed that “judges should have more authority to set bail and detain dangerous defendants.”Credit...Yuki Iwamura/Associated Press


By Jesse McKinley, Grace Ashford and Hurubie Meko
April 28, 2023
ALBANY, N.Y. — It was just four years ago that New York’s Democratic lawmakers celebrated a new law that eliminated bail for most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies and, at the time, seemingly added a measure of new justice to a system long faulted for pre-emptively punishing the poor.
On Thursday night, however, after months of grueling negotiations, Gov. Kathy Hochul announced that the state would scale back those changes — for the third time — after a sharp rebuke from New York’s voters and residents over a rise in crime.
“It was very clear that changes need to be made,” the governor said.
The precise details are unknown — the law is still being drafted as part of the state budget that is expected to be ratified next week — but Ms. Hochul said that she and the Legislature intend to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Rest of article

New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion (Published 2023)

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

www.nytimes.com

@Rhakim @mastermind yall are on the wrong side of this

Voters no matter what demographic are for preferential treatment of criminals in their neighborhoods

 

[mastermind]

@Rhakim @mastermind yall are on the wrong side of this

Voters no matter what demographic are for preferential treatment of criminals in their neighborhoods

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Like I said before, @CrimsonTider doesn't read anything unless it has to do with Alabama football or The Shade Room-like content. He isn't an intellectually curious person which is why he holds reactionary positions.

He won't change his ways and won't try to, which isn't that dissimilar from a Trump supporter.

Whats fukked is that is how most Americans tend to view these issues.

 

[mastermind]

*Gov. Hochul's full comments about changes in bail reform laws, as she announces agreement on new state budget 4/28/23

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New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion​

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Gov. Kathy Hochul said that, while she still supports the 2019 changes to the state’s bail laws, she believed that “judges should have more authority to set bail and detain dangerous defendants.”Credit...Yuki Iwamura/Associated Press


By Jesse McKinley, Grace Ashford and Hurubie Meko
April 28, 2023
ALBANY, N.Y. — It was just four years ago that New York’s Democratic lawmakers celebrated a new law that eliminated bail for most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies and, at the time, seemingly added a measure of new justice to a system long faulted for pre-emptively punishing the poor.
On Thursday night, however, after months of grueling negotiations, Gov. Kathy Hochul announced that the state would scale back those changes — for the third time — after a sharp rebuke from New York’s voters and residents over a rise in crime.
“It was very clear that changes need to be made,” the governor said.
The precise details are unknown — the law is still being drafted as part of the state budget that is expected to be ratified next week — but Ms. Hochul said that she and the Legislature intend to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

Rest of article

New York Will Toughen Contentious Bail Law to Give Judges More Discretion (Published 2023)

State leaders agree to eliminate a provision that requires judges to prescribe the “least restrictive” means to ensure defendants return to court.

www.nytimes.com

As for this post. The study shows bail reform works. You were ghost when that debate happened, but return with this As if it’s a victory for your thinking. As everyone already suspects, you are a cop.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim @mastermind yall are on the wrong side of this

Breh, her bill is for more judicial discretion in sentencing which is the exact OPPOSITE of what you previously claimed you wanted.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-do-we-fix-the-judge-problem-that-is-harming-poor-black-neighborhoods.937346/

* That entire thread, you're arguing that bail decisions shouldn't be up to the judge's discretion. Yet here you're applauding a decision to put those decisions in the judge's discretion.

* Just like your complaint that started that other thread was an example from fukking regressive-ass Alabama, yet you tried to use it to shyt on bail reform in liberal states.

* Just like you were using an example of a murderer who got out on cash bail as your example....for why you were against attempts to end cash bail.


@mastermind was right about you. You don't take these issues serious enough to have an informed opinion. All you know if that your heroes at 'Bama tell you to be in favor of mass incarceration and so you reflexively support anything that sounds like it will favor mass incarceration.

 

[No1]

Breh, her bill is for more judicial discretion in sentencing which is the exact OPPOSITE of what you previously claimed you wanted.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-do-we-fix-the-judge-problem-that-is-harming-poor-black-neighborhoods.937346/

* That entire thread, you're arguing that bail decisions shouldn't be up to the judge's discretion. Yet here you're applauding a decision to put those decisions in the judge's discretion.

* Just like your complaint that started that other thread was an example from fukking regressive-ass Alabama, yet you tried to use it to shyt on bail reform in liberal states.

* Just like you were using an example of a murderer who got out on cash bail as your example....for why you were against attempts to end cash bail.


@mastermind was right about you. You don't take these issues serious enough to have an informed opinion. All you know if that your heroes at 'Bama tell you to be in favor of mass incarceration and so you reflexively support anything that sounds like it will favor mass incarceration.

I been told y’all that dude might be a fed. And @get these nets is smarter than him but has a hard on for tough on crime legislation.

 

[mastermind]

I been told y’all that dude might be a fed. And @get these nets is smarter than him but has a hard on for tough on crime legislation.

@CrimsonTider is not a fed. He is just a reactionary. He isn't that far off from a senior citizen who sits in front of the screen watching MSNBC or Fox News all day.

@get these nets is an elitist and a fed.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Breh, her bill is for more judicial discretion in sentencing which is the exact OPPOSITE of what you previously claimed you wanted.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-do-we-fix-the-judge-problem-that-is-harming-poor-black-neighborhoods.937346/

* That entire thread, you're arguing that bail decisions shouldn't be up to the judge's discretion. Yet here you're applauding a decision to put those decisions in the judge's discretion.

* Just like your complaint that started that other thread was an example from fukking regressive-ass Alabama, yet you tried to use it to shyt on bail reform in liberal states.

* Just like you were using an example of a murderer who got out on cash bail as your example....for why you were against attempts to end cash bail.


@mastermind was right about you. You don't take these issues serious enough to have an informed opinion. All you know if that your heroes at 'Bama tell you to be in favor of mass incarceration and so you reflexively support anything that sounds like it will favor mass incarceration.

@CrimsonTider is not a fed. He is just a reactionary. He isn't that far off from a senior citizen who sits in front of the screen watching MSNBC or Fox News all day.

@get these nets is an elitist and a fed.

The reform was for judges to go with the least restrictive terms

This is being scaled back because no matter how many misdemeanor offenders get out without having to put up cash you will always have unintended consequences of letting violent repeated offenders out to further terrorize communities