Nigerian brehs, I thought Lagos was crowded and congested

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Because idiots are in charge. It's inexcusable that a city the size of Lagos doesn't have rapid mass transit.


It may not be just that, Look at the disruption building a subway would make. Besides they have bigger fish to fry how about ensuring that trash is picked up citywide? or installing a sewer system that serves the city first.

A subway (or lack thereof) is first world problems
 

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It may not be just that, Look at the disruption building a subway would make. Besides they have bigger fish to fry how about ensuring that trash is picked up citywide? or installing a sewer system that serves the city first.

A subway (or lack thereof) is first world problems
But proper transportation that moves people much faster can transform the economy. Cleaning the streets, sewer etc is noble but the purpose here is to improve the economy and everything else wil fall into place
 

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Nope.

This.....



Does not equal this.....



That is not what that definition is saying go back and re-read.



Nope.

The Hamptons was the “country” and where wealthy New Yorkers who occupied apartments in the UES or homes in Bronxville built their “country estates”.

How are the Hamptons suburbs when the majority of its residents do not occupy the hamlets “year round”?

The Hamptons are “summer colonies”.

You are a NYC realtor. You should know the difference between these distinctions.

Suburb
Satellite City
Summer Colony

I would expect my realtor to know these things.
Shut the fukk up..boy
 

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But proper transportation that moves people much faster can transform the economy. Cleaning the streets, sewer etc is noble but the purpose here is to improve the economy and everything else wil fall into place
Well two problems with that massive disruption if traffic is bad now wait till you try to build a subway. The other problem is the massive corruption unless its heavily subsidized ( which it can't be) very few people will use it.
One other problem who'd gonna maintain it?
Nigeria has electricity issues now you want to be stuck on a train during a blackout??

Like I said first world problems pick up the trash first
 

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Well two problems with that massive disruption if traffic is bad now wait till you try to build a subway. The other problem is the massive corruption unless its heavily subsidized ( which it can't be) very few people will use it.
One other problem who'd gonna maintain it?
Nigeria has electricity issues now you want to be stuck on a train during a blackout??

Like I said first world problems pick up the trash first
Instead of a subway they could at least build a BRT service which is basically a subway but overground and much cheaper to build and also cheaper for people to use.
I don’t know why you think building a proper transportation network for Africa’s biggest city is a first world problem:dahell:
 

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But proper transportation that moves people much faster can transform the economy. Cleaning the streets, sewer etc is noble but the purpose here is to improve the economy and everything else wil fall into place
The reason Abuja has a subway and legos doesn't is because Abuja is a new city and lagos is old.
It would make sense to build a bridge to banana Island you think the residents would be ok with that? Not to mention it would be expensive as hell.
Lagos isn't even designed for cars you'd have incorporate a train system in the city planning. You can't just start ripping up streets willy nily
 

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Instead of a subway they could at least build a BRT service which is basically a subway but overground and much cheaper to build and also cheaper for people to use.
I don’t know why you think building a proper transportation network for Africa’s biggest city is a first world problem:dahell:
Because they're too corrupt and the leaders hate their people. Dark es Salaam has a bus system like that with lanes for it Nairobi doesnt.
You could definitely build a cheap bus system like that the problem is who will own it? If the government owns it it won't even get off the ground if the private sector owns it it might end up like the south African taxi gang system.

The first thing we have to understand is there's a lot of smart people in Africa what ever thing you thought of a local thought of it too and in the richest Black country on earth if they don't have something there's a reason for that
 

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It may not be just that, Look at the disruption building a subway would make. Besides they have bigger fish to fry how about ensuring that trash is picked up citywide? or installing a sewer system that serves the city first.

A subway (or lack thereof) is first world problems

Garbage and sewage (and flooding prevention) are major problems however when I think of living in Lagos, the first and predominant factor on my mind is how hellacious the traffic is.

Doesn't even have to be a subway underground. An elevated rail would do.
 

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Garbage and sewage (and flooding prevention) are major problems however when I think of living in Lagos, the first and predominant factor on my mind is how hellacious the traffic is.

Doesn't even have to be a subway underground. An elevated rail would do.
It would be way cheaper to fix the roads
 

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It would be way cheaper to fix the roads

It would, but there are two problems with this logic:

1. Induced demand. The more road capacity you build, the more traffic you will generate. Things will be good for a little bit after you fix the roads, but more cars will get on the road to take advantage. It's why you have traffic jams in every advanced country in the world, even with tolls and other measure taken to move people off the roads and into alternate means of transit. That comes with environmental concerns as well.

2. The lack of vision that is inherent in a cost savings strategy. Roads are cheaper. But a great rail system would improve the economy of the region in ways a road system can't. Allow development of far flung areas, improve productivity (as I now don't have to spend literally 8 hours of my life in traffic), increase the technical capability of the state... It's more expensive but it's worth the increased cost, and going with the cheaper road option is just... basic. I expect more from a city in Africa poised to be great if it thought out of the box.
 

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It would, but there are two problems with this logic:

1. Induced demand. The more road capacity you build, the more traffic you will generate. Things will be good for a little bit after you fix the roads, but more cars will get on the road to take advantage. It's why you have traffic jams in every advanced country in the world, even with tolls and other measure taken to move people off the roads and into alternate means of transit. That comes with environmental concerns as well.

2. The lack of vision that is inherent in a cost savings strategy. Roads are cheaper. But a great rail system would improve the economy of the region in ways a road system can't. Allow development of far flung areas, improve productivity (as I now don't have to spend literally 8 hours of my life in traffic), increase the technical capability of the state... It's more expensive but it's worth the increased cost, and going with the cheaper road option is just... basic. I expect more from a city in Africa poised to be great if it thought out of the box.


If you're talking about an intracity train system there's no reason to not have this, as you said the economic gains and time saved would be enormous. I think a West African link is in the works as we speak.

An intercity transit system.... First all all you'd have to ask the mayor and the governor of Lagos state why they don't have this.

But not only as a said that it would require a massive disruption of traffic for years, I frankly don't think people would use it in large enough numbers to make it worth it. If you live in a small side street then a bus or train system going to random stops isn't going to help you, using a Motorcycle or a Tuk tuk would help you. That's what people will continue to use despite the "ban" on them.
 
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