NFL Week 8: What have we learned

[wire28]

I’m going to watch some of his games. Honestly, bro, I’m so tired of fake quarterback talk that goes on. Most people don’t watch these players or take context into consideration.

It’s so fukking phony.

Did you have a chance to watch Jalen hurts tape from this Sunday

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

That man Mahommes need some receivers bad. That's what KC gets for being cheap I guess

This is the main issue with Andy Reed, same issues the Eagles had when he was in charge. He NEVER spends money on receivers.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I’m going to watch some of his games. Honestly, bro, I’m so tired of fake quarterback talk that goes on. Most people don’t watch these players or take context into consideration.

It’s so fukking phony.

He's nowhere near "elite". But for the most part, he's been decent. Even yesterday, he made a lot of plays extending plays with his legs when the o-line broke down. He threw for 365 yards and had several throws over 20 yards in the air.

But he also made some terrible throws too. He's 23-years old. It's dumb to say he's elite. It's also dumb to completely write him off.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Did you have a chance to watch Jalen hurts tape from this Sunday

No, I didn’t . Do I pretend to? This is not going to be a game by game thing. If he’s playing better, then good. This is not some Stan wars, he’s my enemy and will always fail, NBA fan shyt

 

[wire28]

No, I didn’t . Do I pretend to? This is not going to be a game by game thing. If he’s playing better, then good. This is not some Stan wars, he’s my enemy and will always fail, NBA fan shyt

Just checking stay blessed

 

[thashiek]

The league average for WR separation in games yesterday was 2.94 yards.

Jets receivers:

Lazard: 1.6 yards
G Wilson: 1.54 yards



In a game with a Jets defense, gave up a total of -9 yards, the giants receivers averaged more yards of separation versus Jets DBs than the Jets receivers versus the Giants DBs.

Garett Wilson is a freak of nature, but along with the six drops during the game the Jets receiving core is the worst in the league. But “blame Zach” right @Supa because of the Giants qb, not the actual game?

Your Football talk is ass cheeks. You guys just talk for the sake of talking

Seems as if you believe the separation stat is solely about what the receiver does?

Average Separation (SEP)
The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion.

A receiver can break ankles, have a defender slip, gain 15 yards of separation during the route, yet still catch the ball with 0 yards of separation if the throw is off target or poorly timed or another defender is johnny on the spot, according to the way the stat is defined.

Alternatively, a receiver can catch a pass at the line of scrimmage while a db is playing 10 yards off and be awarded 10 yards of separation.

Zach Wilson is not absolved from anything by using that stat.

They don't track how many yards of separation a receiver gets out of their breaks yet.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Seems as if you believe the separation stat is solely about what the receiver does?




A receiver can break ankles, have a defender slip, gain 15 yards of separation during the route, yet still catch the ball with 0 yards of separation if the throw is off target or poorly timed or another defender is johnny on the spot, according to the way the stat is defined.

Alternatively, a receiver can catch a pass at the line of scrimmage while a db is playing 10 yards off and be awarded 10 yards of separation.

Zach Wilson is not absolved from anything by using that stat.

They don't track how many yards of separation a receiver gets out of their breaks yet.

Seems as if you believe the separation stat is solely about what the receiver does?




A receiver can break ankles, have a defender slip, gain 15 yards of separation during the route, yet still catch the ball with 0 yards of separation if the throw is off target or poorly timed or another defender is johnny on the spot, according to the way the stat is defined.

Alternatively, a receiver can catch a pass at the line of scrimmage while a db is playing 10 yards off and be awarded 10 yards of separation.

Zach Wilson is not absolved from anything by using that stat.

They don't track how many yards of separation a receiver gets out of their breaks yet.

Separation and throws have zero to do with how separation stats work.

the point is, there is a direct correlation with teams with receivers who have lower separation rates and struggling quarterbacks trying to get the ball to them.

Again… It’s not rocket science, but here you are trying to create it because you rather go with some lazy ass media narrative on a quarterback that either overhypes them or undervalues them.

 

[MoshpitMazi]

This is their super-bowl

 

[thashiek]

Separation and throws have zero to do with how separation stats work.

the point is, there is a direct correlation with teams with receivers who have lower separation rates and struggling quarterbacks trying to get the ball to them.

Again… It’s not rocket science, but here you are trying to create it because you rather go with some lazy ass media narrative on a quarterback that either overhypes them or undervalues them.

They created the stat, track the stat and define it. Yet you feel that is not how it works? How does it work then? Where are they getting these numbers you use from?

If you are going to use their info to further your narratives, at least understand the stat you are using.


Just like when you said Geno threw a pick because of a penalty from a previous play, I stated the facts then engaged in extra talk for fun. Below is me engaging but I won't string this out an entire page like before. Learn what the stat means and how to apply it my guy.

Spoiler: ...

Green bay, Chicago, Arizona and Cleveland have the top 4 players for separation so far this season (minimum 20 targets). This proves the stat isn't about how well a player separates during a route, given that the four players have at least 4 yards of separation. Do you believe Luke Musgrave, Cole Kmet, Ronald Moore and Elijah Moore separate better than everyone else? And to further that, do it at 4+ yards a clip?

2022, Cole Kmet again, Robert Tonyan , Dawson Knox, Greg Dortch and Tyler Conklin were the top 5, and all above 4 yards per.

Tee Higgins this season is 16th worst. 2022 he was 8th worst. 2021 the 6th worst. But he is a 100+ target guy with 1k receiving, while on a top offense with an elite QB.

Garrett Wilson is at 2.3 for the season, Allen Lazard is at 2.4, AJ Brown is at 2.5, Tyler Conklin is at 3.2. This proves that your top 3 receiving options are right inline with the 2nd most productive receiver in the league.

It is clearly a collaborative stat that doesn't hold much weight based on how it's defined. Did Zach Wilson get battered yesterday like that IG video was showing? Was he unable to step into some throws which made them off target? Guess what that does to the separation stat per their definition..


Finally here are two small paragraphs from redditors about the stat since I didn't think I could say it better

The takeaway shouldn't be that getting open isn't a good thing, it should be that this metric really isn't showing a strong correlation with the quality of route running we know we can identify in other ways. Not to harp on Deebo, but his league leading "separation" mark of 4.6 average yards when he's only being targeted 2.2 yards down field on average is a pretty loud, blaring siren saying this metric isn't really showing us what so many people seem to think it is.

Another thought that comes to mind is the NFL is very zone heavy. Most defenses run zone coverage for the majority of their snaps. A separation metric makes more sense if your analyzing a receivers ability to beat man coverage, but in zone the receiver may not have any single person covering him and is moreso running through a "maze" of coverage. He is finding the hole in the defense, not beating a defender. This, this metric would be heavily reliant on read progression and timing as well as the receivers individual ability.

 

[KidJSoul]

Brady's legacy grows stronger each day

McDaniels is ASS!

 

[Rell84shots]

Brady's legacy grows stronger each day

McDaniels is ASS!

I give Brady the same props I give Bron and that's both played before their leagues became pussies with the rules. Bron started playing when you could still play defense, and Brady started playing when you could still level the QB.

 

[Saint1]

Brady's legacy grows stronger each day

McDaniels is ASS!

You gotta wonder. Did Brady just audible or just tell the players to not listen to the coach? This shyt is egregious.

 

[KidJSoul]

You gotta wonder. Did Brady just audible or just tell the players to not listen to the coach? This shyt is egregious.

Yes part of it was audibles

Also Brady was always excellent at being able to scan the field and find his reads, or reading the defense quickly and knowing where to find his guys. He had an elite processor

 

[JLova]

Some of these takes are common sense no? "49ers aren't the same without Trent and Deebo."

Isn't that obvious? Trent is a hall of fame LT. The O-line has been a mess without him. Deebo is a weapon all over the field. People writing him off as a "gadget player" are dumb because he's way more talented than that and he opens up the entire playbook for the team.

That said, the main issue in these past two games has been the defense. Purdy has made some miserable mistakes too but the defense is not getting to the QB and that leaves these corners on an island and they aren't that good..

His mistakes don’t hurt the D? People forget the O helps the D and vice versa.

 

[IIVI]

Miami needs to stay healthy because man I think they have a legit shot