NFL 100 anniversary team QB finalists

[the next guy]

Young was better than Favre. This is ridiculous.

1)Two from each era
2) Young was hurt a lot

 

[Taadow]

1)Two from each era
2) Young was hurt a lot

Young was still better than Favre.


...and if Favre is gonna get slobbed for continuity and gaudy stats,
then they might as well have picked Brees, too.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Young should be thankful for getting out of Tampa and the USFL



steve doesn’t make this run, the Niners are 9-7 and don’t make the playoffs

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

No.

He might be the most underrated you've seen play...

The more I think about it Brees not being on the list is ridiculous. Even if you just went off stats alone, how can you justify not having the all time leader in completions, yards, TDs, and completion % on the list? Plus he’s got a ring and a SB MVP. He should have another SB appearance due to the PI no-call against the Rams. I would also argue that he deserved the 2009 league MVP.

And his team got fukked for a couple of years of his prime cause of bountygate. And he had a trash defense most of his career. shyt, dude has 5 5000 yard seasons. No one else has more than one. You can say he plays in a stat-inflated era, but no one else did it like that in his era but him.

 

[Taadow]

The more I think about it Brees not being on the list is ridiculous. Even if you just went off stats alone, how can you justify not having the all time leader in completions, yards, TDs, and completion % on the list? Plus he’s got a ring and a SB MVP. He should have another SB appearance due to the PI no-call against the Rams. I would also argue that he deserved the 2009 league MVP.

And his team got fukked for a couple of years of his prime cause of bountygate. And he had a trash defense most of his career. shyt, dude has 5 5000 yard seasons. No one else has more than one. You can say he plays in a stat-inflated era, but no one else did it like that in his era but him.

I understand it - he never had the mystique of other QBs of his era.

He wasn't Payton, the "prototype QB" who is also a legacy, and a "field coach"
He wasn't Tom, who is the "underdog", Company Man who just steps up when it's time to win

He's the guy who wasn't quiiiiiiite good enough to win the Heisman.
He was "too short to draft too high".
He was always mentioned in the same breath as Eli, which I think didn't help.
He had a rep early for being fragile.
He got ran out of Diego so they could focus on Rivers.

He built those stats up virtually in the dark, for lack of a better expression...
I say that to mean that the Saints weren't really elite or that scary of a team
to draw eyes/attention/coverage like say, the Cowboys or Steelers.

To me, he had a Marino career with a Steve Young skill set...so seeing the look they
got here, I'm not surprised that Brees didn't get props.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I understand it - he never had the mystique of other QBs of his era.

He wasn't Payton, the "prototype QB" who is also a legacy, and a "field coach"
He wasn't Tom, who is the "underdog", Company Man who just steps up when it's time to win

He's the guy who wasn't quiiiiiiite good enough to win the Heisman.
He was "too short to draft too high".
He was always mentioned in the same breath as Eli, which I think didn't help.
He had a rep early for being fragile.
He got ran out of Diego so they could focus on Rivers.

He built those stats up virtually in the dark, for lack of a better expression...
I say that to mean that the Saints weren't really elite or that scary of a team
to draw eyes/attention/coverage like say, the Cowboys or Steelers.

To me, he had a Marino career with a Steve Young skill set...so seeing the look they
got here, I'm not surprised that Brees didn't get props.

I get it, but if we’re keeping it a buck he’s better than Elway and Favre. I guess they didn’t want to take 3 QBs from the 00-10’s era, and he had to be the odd man out with Brady and Manning.

 

[nieman]

Young was better than Favre. This is ridiculous.

I dunno about that. Young was good, but Brett was "damn I hate him" good. Plus Steve Young was hurt, a lot.

 

[murksiderock]

People keep bringing up Warren Moon. What’s a valid reason why he should be on that list over any of the guys on there or over Young, Brees, Rodgers etc

I’m really curious to know

There isn't one...

These young dudes have no idea how good Farve was in his prime and in a tougher era to play QB.

Favre is arguably the GOAT of the 90s, certainly a Top 3 guy of that era, and is probably a Top 5-6 guy of the 00s. So for two decades of football, 1990-2009, 20 years, Brett Favre is a Top 5-6 player. Young is only in that class for one decade, the 90s, and in that decade it's only arguable that he's better than Favre. It certainly ain't a sure bet by any stretch...

Ain't no gotdamn Steve Young better than Favre all time...

Saying Steve McNair is the best QB of the last 20 years is no hot take. Especially when you take into account CIRCUMSTANCES.

Everyone considers Jeff Fisher the worst coach ever nowadays. But in the early 2000s he was considered one of the best. That was because of Steve McNair.

McNair overcame one of the worst coaches in NFL history to make it to a Super Bowl, win a regular season MVP, as well as making the playoffs almost every season. He also did this with only one quality receiver his entire career (Derrick Mason). As well as fighting tons of injuries that would have ended many a career.

If Steve McNair had a great offensive mastermind like Sean Payton as his head coach or played with tons of elite receivers he would have broken so many records. His PHYSICAL talents were unmatched. The guy had an arm as strong as Mahomes but was built and could run like Cam Newton. Physically he was as good as you could want for a QB.

If there was an draft available where every QB who played in the 2000s and 2010s was available, Steve McNair would be the easy 1st overall pick. He was the most talented than Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or anyone else you wanna name.

McNair was inaccurate compared to alota these guys you're putting him up there with, that's one strike against him. And he really wasn't the greatest elevator of talent. He had an elite back with him in his prime that buoyed him, and the Titans didn't run an offense that needed him to carry them...

McNair's greatest attribute is he was a playmaker. You couldn't count him out because he fought thru so many injuries, played with so much passion and always felt he could will one out. But he wasn't terribly accurate, didn't have the strongest arm, and could regress into a turnover machine. He couldn't make all the throws you needed, particularly tight window throws, that was not a specialty of his...

You're absolutely wrong on his physical gifts as a quarterback...

McNair had two seasons that he played like an elite quarterback, 2001 and 2003. Every other year he was good to average, '01 and '03 are anomalies in his career, he was never that consistently great; if he was your argument would have merit. Again, his greatest attributes were that he could pull a rabbit out the hat, he was a legit playmaker. But he had alota warts...

I agree and that’s Jet fans saying it so it should tell you something.

Him and Rodgers are the two best talents I’ve seen at the position.

Marino, then Favre, then Manning, then Rodgers, and now Mahomes, are all guys in succession who were raved about as "the best natural throwers of the football" and/or "most talented to play the position". The name changes with every era...

I never have thought Rodgers was better than Manning. He's like a Diet Manning, a bit more athletic, but when it comes to playing the position at its highest? Its widely recognized Rodgers has never had the best mechanics. Rodgers is an All-Timer and I would have considered him for #10 but how people skip him over Manning is beyond me...

 

[premier58]

@murksiderock Incredible post, my guy. Very knowledgeable, highly detailed and articulate. Much respect.

 

[Axum Ezana]

Nah. You just dont want to talk about the actual plays because you likely didnt watch the game, so youre numbers heavy. I can tell you that the Oilers did a shyt job holding that lead due to not giving the ball enough to Lorenzo White in the second half, being in that gimmick ass run n shoot where they didnt pound the football and play keep away.

and this wasnt Warren’s fault either. Missed catches, bad snap on FG attempt.

you didnt watch that game if you put it as a mark against Warren

on one those last bills tds that wr stepped out of bounds but there was no replay back then for it to be reviewed. but yeah I heard that's the day when pass only offense took a hit and run n shoot kinda died.

yeah and definitely wasn't warren fought cause I think he lead them down the field to win the game and kicker missed the fg.

 

[NYC Rebel]

on one those last bills tds that wr stepped out of bounds but there was no replay back then for it to be reviewed. but yeah I heard that's the day when pass only offense took a hit and run n shoot kinda died.

yeah and definitely wasn't warren fought cause I think he lead them down the field to win the game and kicker missed the fg.

Yup.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

As a niner fan favre owned us but dude is trying 2 make it seem young and brett played 1 on one..

GB knew our system and scheme inside out with holgreen at the helm and we couldn't fukk with them

We ran the league in '94 with one of the best teams of all time, let us not forget that. We beat dallas which was better than any incarnation of Green Bay. GB only won the one title the whole time.

 

[Swagnificent]

McNair was inaccurate compared to alota these guys you're putting him up there with, that's one strike against him. And he really wasn't the greatest elevator of talent. He had an elite back with him in his prime that buoyed him, and the Titans didn't run an offense that needed him to carry them...

McNair's greatest attribute is he was a playmaker. You couldn't count him out because he fought thru so many injuries, played with so much passion and always felt he could will one out. But he wasn't terribly accurate, didn't have the strongest arm, and could regress into a turnover machine. He couldn't make all the throws you needed, particularly tight window throws, that was not a specialty of his...

You're absolutely wrong on his physical gifts as a quarterback...

McNair had two seasons that he played like an elite quarterback, 2001 and 2003. Every other year he was good to average, '01 and '03 are anomalies in his career, he was never that consistently great; if he was your argument would have merit. Again, his greatest attributes were that he could pull a rabbit out the hat, he was a legit playmaker. But he had alota warts...

You do know Steve McNair owned every passing record in college? Saying he was inaccurate is a lie. The guy was an accurate passer. He just played for Jeff Fisher. The worst coach of all-time. That idiot didn't let McNair pass until Eddie George was washed up. And then he never gave him any weapons in the form of quality receivers. The few years he was allowed to air it out is when McNair won MVP.

If McNair played for a coach like Sean Payton he would be considered the hands down GOAT. His skill set was that good.

 

[Jplaya2023]

We ran the league in '94 with one of the best teams of all time, let us not forget that. We beat dallas which was better than any incarnation of Green Bay. GB only won the one title the whole time.

Then we lost prime and ricky and GB ascended

 

[premier58]

Yup.

Off top, who was the last run and shoot team? Was it the Lions in 1995?