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you need a lot of things to revitalize a city, the most important being education, but private equity is important, this notion that black people or black cities should malign private equity like its a dirty word is some bullshyt and its awful economic advice

Why do you think I will have a serious conversation with you? :laff: kick rocks nikka
 

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There are no incentives for teachers. In my school district (buffalo, ny) 25 percent of black males graduate. Once a teacher has been in the system 3 years he can never be fired. However, young teachers come in energetic, then last in first out finds them out of a job every summer. By the time they make it to the three year mark theyre frustrated and dont care.

When people moved to the suburbs the cities lost their tax base. However, the public sector unions did not lose their incredible pensions and benefits that the cities could not afford. Unions are nothing but labor gangs. If people are good workers they should be able to negotiate their own terms of employment. Unions 'cheat' the system and mostly only exist at this point in the democratic cities as an ode to a semi-marxist ideal.

And no, the group I was referring to is the super rich. Any solution you want to propose to any problem better benefigt them, or it wont get the green light. Americans are too busy hating each other, and have been for 150 years, to do anything about that. Im not saying I wish it to be that way at all but thats reality. We have a pay-to-play political system.

Unions are nothing but 'I got mine' and do absolutely nothing to improve the economy, GDP, or workers in this country. This is not the 19th century anymore. Manufacturing is not coming back at 28 dollars an hour ever again. Since the bail out gm has even only been paying 14 an hour. There are too many people that can do the jobs\s you refer to as 'sub 80 k' to expect the people with those jobs to get crazy benefits. All this does is create more competition among the working class for the same jobs. Leading to an even greater 'got mine' culture.

The only government solution I see is to embrace socialism, a 20-30 hour work week, and guaranteed income for everyone. This could be done through worker rotation. But since this is not in the interest of the super rich it will never happen.

the super rich didnt want a minimum wage, unions, workplace safety standards, medicare, but all of these things were passed by pressuring them to accept it. history shows that with enough support and appeal to moral consciousness measures that are not positive for the ruling class can be passed and only continued pressure can maintain them.
 

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the super rich didnt want a minimum wage, unions, workplace safety standards, medicare, but all of these things were passed by pressuring them to accept it. history shows that with enough support and appeal to moral consciousness measures that are not positive for the ruling class can be passed and only continued pressure can maintain them.

The political process also wasnt always broken. They were willing to throw people a bone to keep their whole chicken. The fact is since the voting rights act people have not been able to put aside differences to do anything significantly productive with government. Americans are too busy hating each other.

The (one) party system and citizens united have not been around forever either.
 

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The political process also wasnt always broken. They were willing to throw people a bone to keep their whole chicken. The fact is since the voting rights act people have not been able to put aside differences to do anything significantly productive with government. Americans are too busy hating each other.

The (one) party system and citizens united have not been around forever either.
agreed all around, the people have overwhelmingly been divided and conquered. but this is all the more reason to oppose citizens united, the one party system and rampant tax fraud as well as the other manifestations of super rich domination.
 

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agreed all around, the people have overwhelmingly been divided and conquered. but this is all the more reason to oppose citizens united, the one party system and rampant tax fraud as well as the other manifestations of super rich domination.

Im not saying I dont oppose those, but they just arent going away man
 

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Im not saying I dont oppose those, but they just arent going away man
i know they arent going away, but the vast majority dont recognize them as negative or recognize them as the source of their oppression
 

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i know they arent going away, but the vast majority dont recognize them as negative or recognize them as the source of their oppression

Thats the way I think you and I find key difference. You seek to improve the lives of the willfully ignorant, while I say let them rot away. There are too many people here anyway. The world population needs to get below a billion.
 

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Thats the way I think you and I find key difference. You seek to improve the lives of the willfully ignorant, while I say let them rot away. There are too many people here anyway. The world population needs to get below a billion.
the people are ignorant by design, i say we change the design. this is no different than an escaped slave hating the slave who chose not to escape. the external prisons are just as effective as the internal and they feed one another
 

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the people are ignorant by design, i say we change the design. this is no different than an escaped slave hating the slave who chose not to escape. the external prisons are just as effective as the internal and they feed one another

These are not slaves, these are people that were fine with working at gm getting a pension while imperialism and jim crow happened. now that the world has caught up they missed their shot.

The only people im sympathetic to in this regard are african americans. Every other western nationality brought this on themselves with willful ignorance, allowing imperialism and jim crow.

To get back more on topic, I dont think corporate interests are as out of line with everyday interests as people think. I sincerely believe that if congress was full of obamas and bookers, both whom are super corporate, the country would be in better shape. Talent always prevails.
 

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These are not slaves, these are people that were fine with working at gm getting a pension while imperialism and jim crow happened. now that the world has caught up they missed their shot.

The only people im sympathetic to in this regard are african americans. Every other western nationality brought this on themselves with willful ignorance, allowing imperialism and jim crow.

To get back more on topic, I dont think corporate interests are as out of line with everyday interests as people think. I sincerely believe that if congress was full of obamas and bookers, both whom are super corporate, the country would be in better shape. Talent always prevails.
the rich will always have different interests than the working and middle class, whether this is more or less obvious is dependent on the consciousness of the latter of the totality of the process
 

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this denigration of private equity and capitalism its not something black people and black cities should get down with, its a dead end economically and intellectually, we want private equity and capitalism in our cities

Who has done this? Even Obama wasn't doing it when Booker made his sideways comment to try and grab some publicity. It's a straw man.
 
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