New York Times endorses plutocracy! (Cory Booker)-David Sirota

[theworldismine13]

I've met **** before (he reps my district), I like his consistency and he's been dropping some shyt lately (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...heres-what-real-reform-of-the-nsa-looks-like/) and Booker really lost my interest after the Bain thing. But I just get the feeling Booker's higher profile (I haven't checked polls in a while tbh) and will win the seat.

FOH

 

[Allah]

private equity is taxed, that is how the money comes back to the public



apparently you aren't aware of the entire 20th century

comes back to the public in the form of services, the same services that are constantly under attack and being cut while profits soar

the second half of the 20th century saw production increase in efficiency and wages lag behind. manufacturing sector has been decimated and replaced by the service sector, surely this isnt a positive step for the economy?

 

[Madvillain]

FOH

I need a little more than that, breh

 

[theworldismine13]

comes back to the public in the form of services, the same services that are constantly under attack and being cut while profits soar

the second half of the 20th century saw production increase in efficiency and wages lag behind. manufacturing sector has been decimated and replaced by the service sector, surely this isnt a positive step for the economy?

There isn't evidence that booker was cutting services while profits soared

And the shifts in the economy are due to multiple factors, some beyond anybody's control and the answer isn't to go back the answer is to go forward

 

[Richard Wright]

i meant expand the public sector

and you cant be serious about unions. you do realize that the few unions still around are the only thing keeping the us from being china in terms of conditions hours benefits etc

No, they are not. What do you expect the public sector to do? Were 17 trillion in debt on a national level, and virtually none of the states have power. You're basically advocating tax-and spend.

I agree there are several public sector improvements we can make, but the PWA didnt get us out of the depression, ww2 did. We can improve our infrastructure, high speed rail, high speed internet, etc. But the key to making improvements is not in hoping money is thrown at an issue, because with the current structure and division in our government that is not realistic.

Do you even know what right to work is? Unions are outdated, hoss.

 

[Allah]

There isn't evidence that booker was cutting services while profits soared

And the shifts in the economy are due to multiple factors, some beyond anybody's control and the answer isn't to go back the answer is to go forward

the shift in the economy i noted was definitely in the control of the large corporations who decided to move jobs overseas to boost profits. how can you go forward without evaluating the mistakes of the past and correcting them?

No, they are not. What do you expect the public sector to do? Were 17 trillion in debt on a national level, and virtually none of the states have power. You're basically advocating tax-and spend.

I agree there are several public sector improvements we can make, but the PWA didnt get us out of the depression, ww2 did. We can improve our infrastructure, high speed rail, high speed internet, etc. But the key to making improvements is not in hoping money is thrown at an issue, because with the current structure and division in our government that is not realistic.

Do you even know what right to work is? Unions are outdated, hoss.

what im advocating is that the multi national corporations making billions every year pay their fair share of taxes instead of receiving subsidies. how is it that the top 30 corporations pay no income taxes? them paying taxes on their billions wouldnt get the public sector out of debt? that wouldnt allow greater spending? that spending wouldnt improve conditions in the poorest as well as the more well off areas?

are you telling me you would rather be in a right to work situation at your job than part of a union? just because something is prevalent doesnt make it right or beneficial to the worker. go talk to a worker in a right to work state and ask them if they would rather be part of a union

 

[Broke Wave]

Dudes talking about Private Equity is how we revitalize cities.


Do I even dip my toe in these murky waters of stupidity?

 

[Richard Wright]

the shift in the economy i noted was definitely in the control of the large corporations who decided to move jobs overseas to boost profits. how can you go forward without evaluating the mistakes of the past and correcting them?

I agree with this, but 'large corporations' are nothing more than a legal front for the majority shareholders, the super wealthy. The same people that control the political process. And globalization increased efficiency. It's the way of the future. You're advocating here for some sort of protective tariff, the thing is the super wealthy have GATT to prevent that from happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Agreement_on_Tariffs_and_Trade


what im advocating is that the multi national corporations making billions every year pay their fair share of taxes instead of receiving subsidies. how is it that the top 30 corporations pay no income taxes? them paying taxes on their billions wouldnt get the public sector out of debt? that wouldnt allow greater spending? that spending wouldnt improve conditions in the poorest as well as the more well off areas?

This is a problem with the tax code, that , once again, was written by the pawns of the super wealthy. Tis no coincidence that the deductions an incentives benefit one group more than others. No, nothing will ever get the public sector out of debt at this point. When the fed reserve system was passed the elite never intended for the national debt to be paid. 17 trillion dollars is our entire GDP. We call that an ace in the hole. And no, that spending would not do anything, because, once again, that spending is controlled by politicians who are controlled by the super rich. Notice a theme here?

are you telling me you would rather be in a right to work situation at your job than part of a union? just because something is prevalent doesnt make it right or beneficial to the worker. go talk to a worker in a right to work state and ask them if they would rather be part of a union

Well im not working class. I am middle class. My parents are professionals, who are members of professional organizations. They have full benefits because they work jobs not everyone can do. More unions just increase unemployment and artificial wage floors. The union model is just not sustainable in the 21st century.

 

[Allah]

it sounds to me like you are saying the super rich are in control, they make the laws, they decide the structure of the economy and its distribution so why suggest anything that might contradict this balance of power. i agree on all points but the last. if you recognize this problem and the policies that continue the problem, why not speak out against them and seek to change them?

 

[rapbeats]

I don't have anything against her being rich or capitalism, not quite the same thing. She's not *openly* out here batting for these companies yet.

i'll give you that.

 

[Richard Wright]

it sounds to me like you are saying the super rich are in control, they make the laws, they decide the structure of the economy and its distribution so why suggest anything that might contradict this balance of power. i agree on all points but the last. if you recognize this problem and the policies that continue the problem, why not speak out against them and seek to change them?

Im not saying not to try, I am saying that any solutions have to be aligned with the interests of that group, or they just will not happen.

Also I hate municipal unions and primarily blame them for the budget decline and destruction of education in inner cities like the one im from.

 

[Allah]

Im not saying not to try, I am saying that any solutions have to be aligned with the interests of that group, or they just will not happen.

Also I hate municipal unions and primarily blame them for the budget decline and destruction of education in inner cities like the one im from.

agreed, and the group is the 80 odd percent making less than 80k a year and the working class who push the poverty line

i would like to hear more about this. i dont see how the downfall of education can be placed solely at the feet of teachers unions or public sector pensions but i would like to hear your views on this.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

this guy is the mayor of newark and people are confused why Booker would defend private equity?

 

[Richard Wright]

agreed, and the group is the 80 odd percent making less than 80k a year and the working class who push the poverty line

i would like to hear more about this. i dont see how the downfall of education can be placed solely at the feet of teachers unions or public sector pensions but i would like to hear your views on this.

There are no incentives for teachers. In my school district (buffalo, ny) 25 percent of black males graduate. Once a teacher has been in the system 3 years he can never be fired. However, young teachers come in energetic, then last in first out finds them out of a job every summer. By the time they make it to the three year mark theyre frustrated and dont care.

When people moved to the suburbs the cities lost their tax base. However, the public sector unions did not lose their incredible pensions and benefits that the cities could not afford. Unions are nothing but labor gangs. If people are good workers they should be able to negotiate their own terms of employment. Unions 'cheat' the system and mostly only exist at this point in the democratic cities as an ode to a semi-marxist ideal.

And no, the group I was referring to is the super rich. Any solution you want to propose to any problem better benefigt them, or it wont get the green light. Americans are too busy hating each other, and have been for 150 years, to do anything about that. Im not saying I wish it to be that way at all but thats reality. We have a pay-to-play political system.

Unions are nothing but 'I got mine' and do absolutely nothing to improve the economy, GDP, or workers in this country. This is not the 19th century anymore. Manufacturing is not coming back at 28 dollars an hour ever again. Since the bail out gm has even only been paying 14 an hour. There are too many people that can do the jobs\s you refer to as 'sub 80 k' to expect the people with those jobs to get crazy benefits. All this does is create more competition among the working class for the same jobs. Leading to an even greater 'got mine' culture.

The only government solution I see is to embrace socialism, a 20-30 hour work week, and guaranteed income for everyone. This could be done through worker rotation. But since this is not in the interest of the super rich it will never happen.

 

[theworldismine13]

Dudes talking about Private Equity is how we revitalize cities.


Do I even dip my toe in these murky waters of stupidity?

you need a lot of things to revitalize a city, the most important being education, but private equity is important, this notion that black people or black cities should malign private equity like its a dirty word is some bullshyt and its awful economic advice