New NRA President calls the Civil War "the war of northern aggression"

[bzb]

It was over a single unregistered gun, they could have easily spoken to Koresh when he was in town. Instead they ambushed the compound and murdered numerous innocent people.

they could have easily walked out the compound during the days of negotiations prior to the raid. the coulda woulda shoulda stuff goes both ways...

 

[DriZZy]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/04/1964091/nra-guns-kids-room/

What's worse, that or this?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...sted-targets-with-children-and-pregnant-women

Even as the Obama administration continues to stockpile enough ammunition to kill every American multiple times, law-enforcement agencies were reportedly caught requesting so-called “no more hesitation” targets featuring pictures of children, pregnant women, mothers at playgrounds, and elderly people. The company behind the controversial scheme, which has received millions of taxpayer dollars from the Department of Homeland Security, said the images were specifically requested by government officials.

The products that sparked worldwide outrage include seven separate targets as part of the series. As described by the company, those are: “pregnant woman threat,” “older man with shotgun,” “older man in home with shotgun,” “older woman with gun,” “young school aged girl,” “young mother on playground,” and “little boy with real gun.” You can view a slideshow of the images here.

According to the firm, the controversial target line was “designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.” The women and children cardboard cutouts were also “meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusual targets for the first time,” the firm said.

 

[DriZZy]

they could have easily walked out the compound during the days of negotiations prior to the raid. the coulda woulda shoulda stuff goes both ways...

It's hardly a "coulda woulda shoulda" type deal, if the ATF wasn't in the wrong, they wouldn't have been promoting that bullshyt that Koresh "claimed to be God." Yes, he did say "I must be God," in the context of a joke though.

 

[bzb]

It's hardly a "coulda woulda shoulda" type deal, if the ATF wasn't in the wrong, they wouldn't have been promoting that bullshyt that Koresh "claimed to be God." Yes, he did say "I must be God," in the context of a joke though.

all those people wouldn't have died if koresh surrendered. simple as that.

i can see nra types going to the same extremes and risking the lives of those under their influence for similar "righteous" reasons.

 

[DriZZy]

all those people wouldn't have died if koresh surrendered. simple as that.

i can see nra types going to the same extremes and risking the lives of those under their influence for similar "righteous" reasons.

I suggest you do a little more research into the Waco Seige, even Wikipedia would be enough to set you straight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Prelude

The only basis for the idea that the Branch Davidians shot first was the ATF, and based on how they handled everything, anything they said should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[bzb]

I suggest you do a little more research into the Waco Seige, even Wikipedia would be enough to set you straight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Prelude

The only basis for the idea that the Branch Davidians shot first was the ATF, and based on how they handled everything, anything they said should be taken with a grain of salt.

set me straight about what? my statement remains correct. if koresh had surrendered during the 2 months after the initial firefight all those people would not have died. so what are you saying?

 

[DriZZy]

set me straight about what? my statement remains correct. if koresh had surrendered during the 2 months after the initial firefight all those people would not have died. so what are you saying?

they could have easily walked out the compound during the days of negotiations prior to the raid. the coulda woulda shoulda stuff goes both ways...

 

[daze23]

It's no conspiracy theory lmao, it's historical fact. I didn't think there was anyone who still believed Janet Reno's fairytale.

How can you honestly support children being burned to death? Are you that much of a Clinton fanboy?

so what was the true motive for raiding the compound, if not weapons violations?

 

[Broke Wave]

Im not afraid of cacs and if they know most black people pack heat, incidents like Treyvon will be reduced to nothing. When two nations are equally armed, they dont beef with each others.

 

[DriZZy]

so what was the true motive for raiding the compound, if not weapons violations?

Well, first of all, officially they wanted to protect the children (by burning them alive?).

But motive is completely irrelevant, the ATF murdered numerous civilians including children, there's no way you can rationalize anything like that. Nomatter how crazy Koresh may or may not have been, they didn't deserve that.

Here's another way to put it into perspective, the ATF murdered more children at Waco than Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook.

 

[88m3]

The motive is irrelevant.

 

[DriZZy]

The motive is irrelevant.

If someone's killing children motive is irrelevant.

Maybe Adam Lanza had a good reason to murder those kids too right?

If you do care though (although I'm sure someone as ignorant as you doesn't), the main motive was to have something big play out in order to secure more funding for the ATF.

 

[daze23]

Well, first of all, officially they wanted to protect the children (by burning them alive?).

But motive is completely irrelevant, the ATF murdered numerous civilians including children, there's no way you can rationalize anything like that. Nomatter how crazy Koresh may or may not have been, they didn't deserve that.

Here's another way to put it into perspective, the ATF murdered more children at Waco than Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook.

you asked how it could be compared to the NRA. it was about guns. all that smoke and mirrors doesn't change that

 

[DriZZy]

you asked how it could be compared to the NRA. it was about guns. all that smoke and mirrors doesn't change that

No it really wasn't truly about guns, and whoever I originally quoted seemed hopeful that such a thing would happen so he could see it.

So answer this, and everyone else defending it.

Is it ok to burn children alive?

 

[daze23]

No it really wasn't truly about guns

so what was it truly about?