NEW J Cole via his blog: Clouds

[Piff Perkins]

Tell me you didn’t grow up poor/ lower class without telling me you didn’t grow up poor/lower class


Cacs like Fantano and Rollingstone can’t relate

You're missing the point. Cole has had an issue with pounding you with descriptions because he's not really an evocative writer. It's the difference between Canibus describing something and Nas describing something. "Mornings was hash browns" tells me everything while being stirring and more evocative than 4-8 bars exhaustively describing the same circumstance. Common is another evocative lyricist ("said it was her toes but I could tell her soul hurts"). Kendrick is an evocative lyricist ("brown skinned, but your blue eyes tell me your mama can't run). The guy in your avatar is an evocative lyricist.

Cole has certainly improved in that aspect since his mixtapes, but at his core his mind and pen work in a way that leads you to "this happened and then this happened and then this happened" narratives. Rappers like Nas, Common, Andre, Kendrick etc aren't interested in that type of structure and have more interesting approaches that are more prose-like.

 

[spliz]

The music business is about song making, not a poetic skills contest.

Drake pays the bills. Kendrick gives authentic flavor…but he still moves units.

What does Cole do for the game?

Cole has classic songs and sells records. Is one of the biggest rappers of the 2010s cause of this. wtf are u nikkas even saying in here?

 

[Hood Critic]

Are you claiming Drake isn’t better at making music?

I'm out right telling you he doesn't. Y'all are gassed that he makes vibe music for Tik Tok and IG captions. Thats cool that he knows his lane and he's mastered it but he hasn't made any music of substance his entire career. Even if nothing else but to prove he can or to simply switch it up.

Which makes all of this pseudo analysis of everyone else's music y'all do look funny in the light because your boy makes nothing but safe music.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Cole has classic songs and sells records. Is one of the biggest rappers of the 2010s cause of this. wtf are u nikkas even saying in here?

To further explain my argument...Cole not being an evocative lyricist doesn't mean he's not a good songwriter. Hov isn't an evocative lyricist. Is anyone going to say he's not a good songwriter? I think these twitter people don't want to just say they're Kendrick stans, nor do they want to admit their standard for "great rapper" only revolves around Kendrick (which is laughable). Do I think Kendrick is a better songwriter? Yes, by a large margin. But that boils down to what I value in rap. Same reason I've never been a huge Jay fan, although I certainly think he's an elite rapper. Same reason I prefer Pac over Big. BTW I'm surprised you prefer Pac over Big too, given that you're more into technical lyricism, punchlines, etc.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I'm out right telling you he doesn't. Y'all are gassed that he makes vibe music for Tik Tok and IG captions. Thats cool that he knows his lane and he's mastered it but he hasn't made any music of substance his entire career. Even if nothing else but to prove he can or to simply switch it up.

Which makes all of this pseudo analysis of everyone else's music y'all do look funny in the light because your boy makes nothing but safe music.

You’re just yapping

Music of substance(this doesn’t even have a real meaning) is not a requirement

 

[spliz]

To further explain my argument...Cole not being an evocative lyricist doesn't mean he's not a good songwriter. Hov isn't an evocative lyricist. Is anyone going to say he's not a good songwriter? I think these twitter people don't want to just say they're Kendrick stans, nor do they want to admit their standard for "great rapper" only revolves around Kendrick (which is laughable). Do I think Kendrick is a better songwriter? Yes, by a large margin. But that boils down to what I value in rap. Same reason I've never been a huge Jay fan, although I certainly think he's an elite rapper. Same reason I prefer Pac over Big. BTW I'm surprised you prefer Pac over Big too, given that you're more into technical lyricism, punchlines, etc.

I don’t prefer technical lyricism and punchlines. I’m not even a punchline heavy rapper. lol. shyt. My fav rappers are Pac, Nas, Jay, DMX, Im a huge Scarface fan. Etc etc. I appreciate both. Especially when done well. I’ve argued Pac being a lyricist on here a million times. I’ve argued DMX being a lyricist on here a million times. lol.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Cole has classic songs and sells records. Is one of the biggest rappers of the 2010s cause of this. wtf are u nikkas even saying in here?

Cole aint hit a solo STREET hit in years. I’m not talking features or verses or vibed out lyrical exercises. We all know the guy can rap. We need more.

Again, this game needs more than exhibition games. Cole gotta start making elite songs.

I posted examples of other peers of his making elite music. Even Big Sean got great SONGS.

Rapping his ass off with songs with poor replay value aint gonna cut it.

Again, Cole can do amazing stuff like this…but where’s HIS version of this stuff?



I’m not saying Cole isn’t talented. but we NEED MORE. Step beyond this stuff. He’s been treading water for years.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Tell me you didn’t grow up poor/ lower class without telling me you didn’t grow up poor/lower class


Cacs like Fantano and Rollingstone can’t relate

Using this logic, the children of rappers shouldn’t rap.

Cause in reality, Cole, Big Sean and Chance the Rapper or maybe even Tyler the Creator shouldn’t have rapped either….

This is a real convo we need to have about the 2010 rappers that yall aint ready to have.

The infatuation with struggle and the attempts to portray yourself as more “hard” than you really are comes from this association of “pure black identity” with “poverty porn”

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're missing the point. Cole has had an issue with pounding you with descriptions because he's not really an evocative writer. It's the difference between Canibus describing something and Nas describing something. "Mornings was hash browns" tells me everything while being stirring and more evocative than 4-8 bars exhaustively describing the same circumstance. Common is another evocative lyricist ("said it was her toes but I could tell her soul hurts"). Kendrick is an evocative lyricist ("brown skinned, but your blue eyes tell me your mama can't run). The guy in your avatar is an evocative lyricist.

Cole has certainly improved in that aspect since his mixtapes, but at his core his mind and pen work in a way that leads you to "this happened and then this happened and then this happened" narratives. Rappers like Nas, Common, Andre, Kendrick etc aren't interested in that type of structure and have more interesting approaches that are more prose-like.

Drake is in this category too but yall dont listen to anything beside God’s Plan

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm out right telling you he doesn't. Y'all are gassed that he makes vibe music for Tik Tok and IG captions. Thats cool that he knows his lane and he's mastered it but he hasn't made any music of substance his entire career. Even if nothing else but to prove he can or to simply switch it up.

Which makes all of this pseudo analysis of everyone else's music y'all do look funny in the light because your boy makes nothing but safe music.

substance is overrated because yall are insecure and lack self esteem or true knowledge

Hov was one of the few people talking industry take over games on some boss shyt….but was that “substance?”

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

To further explain my argument...Cole not being an evocative lyricist doesn't mean he's not a good songwriter. Hov isn't an evocative lyricist. Is anyone going to say he's not a good songwriter? I think these twitter people don't want to just say they're Kendrick stans, nor do they want to admit their standard for "great rapper" only revolves around Kendrick (which is laughable). Do I think Kendrick is a better songwriter? Yes, by a large margin. But that boils down to what I value in rap. Same reason I've never been a huge Jay fan, although I certainly think he's an elite rapper. Same reason I prefer Pac over Big. BTW I'm surprised you prefer Pac over Big too, given that you're more into technical lyricism, punchlines, etc.

Big > Pac

Preacher rappers like to do audience tricks with emotion instead of fukking rapping. They prey on weak minds and people who need guidance.

 

[Da King]

He’s corny after apologizing

It is what it is

 

[spliz]

Big > Pac

Preacher rappers like to do audience tricks with emotion instead of fukking rapping. They prey on weak minds and people who need guidance.

Son wtf are in talking about? Pac was anything but a preacher rapper. I guess Marvin Gaye’s What’s Going On is some bullshyt too right? Some of u cats be wildin tf out.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Son wtf are in talking about? Pac was anything but a preacher rapper. I guess Marvin Gaye’s What’s Going On is some bullshyt too right? Some of u cats be wildin tf out.

Speaking on issues doesn’t make good songs. Pac made good songs because they were good songs, but preacher rappers like Pac can’t hang with Biggie so they resort to social topics to carry them through the verse.

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

J Cole is like that animal that you cut open and when you pierce the gall blader the meat is now tainted and the taste became foul. Since he apologized I can appreciate the music but it's not the same anymore