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Let’s be honest Like That verse from Dot wasn’t disrespectful enough for Cole to even respond. Let alone respond first.

7 min drill wasn’t even a diss. It was way more of a warning shot. Someone saying “this is merely a warning shot” and comparing another artist history is n the game trajectory with yours isn’t a diss. It’s far from disrespectful. Only Dot Stans took that as disrespectful. Clutching their pearls at the thought of someone calling TPAB boring even though there is a sector of fans who felt like that. Ish on JB Pod for example.

Cole didn’t like the chatter 7 min drill cause “downing his catalog”. He himself admitted he didn’t feel no way about that “Like That”

He also never apologized for the record. Never said “I’m sorry”or “I apologize”
 
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I’m not talking about what could’ve happened. What DID happen is they helped him immensely. Kendrick met Cole tryna slime him for the XXL Freshman slot. Cole met him and they chopped it up and he introduced him to a bunch of people. Produced for him. Collabed with him. All that. Kendrick was a nobody then. Cole was the first artist on Roc Nation. He was already up. Drake same shyt. Like I said before. Anyone trying to dismiss the biggest rapper in the game taking a nikka on tour. Giving him a solo song on his biggest album up until that point. And featuring on his leading single is either a covert narcissist or a dikkrider. If I ever see a nikka who received helped say “oh I didn’t ask u to help me..” lets me know they ain’t shyt as a person. Like I said. U can speak about what Kendrick would’ve and could’ve done but I’m speaking about what he DID do. And what DID happen. All that other shyt is irrelevant. U can hate Drake and also admit to how much these nikkas helped Kendrick. It’s dishonest af to say anything otherwise. Drake did shyt for Kendrick a lot of artists wouldn’t do for their own artists. Kanye ain’t even do that for Big Sean for instance. And the crazy shyt is. U nikkas try to dismiss it when KENDRICK HIMSELF is on video admitting this.


Ok so lets take Kendrick being an ascendent talent who was already primed to blow when Drake decided to fukk with him off the table. We’ll simply acknowledge that Drake taking Kendrick on tour and putting him on Take Care was a great look (which I never disputed) Does that indebt Kendrick to Drake for the rest of their lives and careers? Before 2014 Kendrick NEVER outright disrespected Drake. He DID give Drake props for taking him on tour. He DID call Drake a great artist. Does that mean that in muthafukking HIP HOP of all genres, that Kendrick now can’t challenge for the top spot? Kendrick said it plain on Control. “I got love for all of you, but this is HIP HOP and them nikkas should know what time it is.”

DRAKE made it a personal thing like he was affronted at the thought of anyone daring to want to be number one. Its why his actions should forever be looked at with a side eye, because he didn’t do the things he did “for” Kendrick. He did it as a strategic move to keep ascending nikkas under his thumb. Thats why I said I applaud Kendrick for understanding his own talent and value. Drake showed his hand instead of playing it cool. And it was bytch made behavior. Your an MC yourself. I know for a fact that if another MC gave you a look and expected that look to keep you from staking your claim you’d probably smack that nikka in the face. Just because I once gave you a loaf of bread that doesn’t mean I can stop you from one day coming to eat the whole feast, provided you worked to make it to the table.


When it comes to Kendrick and Cole. Yes Cole produced on Dot’s breakthrough mixtape. Kendrick returned the favor by being on Cole’s sophomore album. Kendrick was also on Revenge of The Dreamers 3. Its not like Kendrick never spoke or acknowledged Cole again after Hiiipower. Between Cole and Kendrick there’s no history of personal animosity like there is with Dot and Drake. The fact they never did an album together is just par for the course when it comes to the music industry. The ground is LITTERED with Collab albums that never happened. Nas and Mobb Deep. Nas and Common. Black Thought and Common. Ice Cube and Dr Dre. Beanie Sigel and Scarface. Ghostface Killah and MF Doom. Juelz Santana and Lil Wayne. And on and on and on…

Now coming to the actual battle. Again, I think Cole overestimated his friendship with Kendrick and underestimated just how much Kendrick has come to loathe Drake over the years. And even taking Drake’s bytch ass reaction to Control out of the mix. Drake himself seems to be a snake whose helping hand is always tipped with poison. There’s a reason why Weeknd, Rocky, Ross, Future and Metro all said “fukk Drake”. There’s a reason why literally NOBODY in the industry except for maybe 21 Savage stood up for Drake when he was getting his ass whopped. There’s a reason why it seemed like the entire Hip Hop world danced on his grave while shouting “A MINOOOOORRRR” at the top of their lungs. And it AIN’T just “jealousy”. Drake been moving foul for years behind the scenes. fukking nikkas girls and wives. Stealing nikkas songs. Jacking nikkas waves. Kendrick himself said “you KNOW we got some shyt to address” and I don’t think he was blowing smoke. Drake ain’t no benevolent angel his damn self.

So between the three of them, Cole might be the better of them from a “moralistic” point of view, we don’t know them so we can’t say for sure. But his naiveté got him jammed up. And he’s got to take responsibility for that. Ain’t no friends amongst competitors. He spent a decade proclaiming himself the sharpest MC. The deadliest. The BEST. And he got comfortable with that big three talk thinking all three of them would walk off into the sunset with individual legacies intact. And I can even give him the benefit of the doubt when thinking that because after Mr Morale it looked like Kendrick might be going in another direction.

But the MOMENT Kendrick said “F U C K the big three” he should’ve known it was up. He had all the opportunity in the world to check the temperature with Kendrick. He didn’t. He went against his better judgement and actually did what a goddamn MC is SUPPOSED to do. Just turns out a fake ass “brotherhood” with a nikka who told the world he was smoking on top 5’s meant more to him than defending the legacy he spent a painstaking number of years building up.
 

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Cole being the 3rd Best of this era was a Cole fans thing...he wasnt even considered a better rapper than sean lol

Right now, at Best, he probably rangs 8 on the list of post 2010 rapper. Way behind the likes of Tyler and co, objectively

:laff: yall killing me with this Tyler shyt/dude is not top tier as a rhymer
 
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:laff: yall killing me with this Tyler shyt/dude is not top tier as a rhymer
Not even the best spitter in his squad that would be Earl. That HeyNow freestyle was pedestrian at best. We know he aint a rappers rapper. We know he more Kanye/Pharrel with his homo erotic rhymes that appeal to progressive cacs
 

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Let’s be honest Like That verse from Dot wasn’t disrespectful enough for Cole to even respond. Let alone respond first.

7 min drill wasn’t even a diss. It was way more of a warning shot. Someone saying “this is merely a warning shot” and comparing another artist history is n the game trajectory with yours isn’t a diss. It’s far from disrespectful. Only Dot Stans took that as disrespectful. Clutching their pearls at the thought of someone calling TPAB boring even though there is a sector of fans who felt like that. Ish on JB Pod for example.

Cole didn’t like the chatter 7 min drill cause “downing his catalog”. He himself admitted he didn’t feel no way about that “Like That”

He also never apologized for the record. Never said “I’m sorry”or “I apologize”
Cole disrespected his whole catalog and called him fake woke :dead:

WTF are you talking about?

Cole just aint have the conviction to sell it...
 

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Ok so lets take Kendrick being an ascendent talent who was already primed to blow when Drake decided to fukk with him off the table. We’ll simply acknowledge that Drake taking Kendrick on tour and putting him on Take Care was a great look (which I never disputed) Does that indebt Kendrick to Drake for the rest of their lives and careers? Before 2014 Kendrick NEVER outright disrespected Drake. He DID give Drake props for taking him on tour. He DID call Drake a great artist. Does that mean that in muthafukking HIP HOP of all genres, that Kendrick now can’t challenge for the top spot? Kendrick said it plain on Control. “I got love for all of you, but this is HIP HOP and them nikkas should know what time it is.”

DRAKE made it a personal thing like he was affronted at the thought of anyone daring to want to be number one. Its why his actions should forever be looked at with a side eye, because he didn’t do the things he did “for” Kendrick. He did it as a strategic move to keep ascending nikkas under his thumb. Thats why I said I applaud Kendrick for understanding his own talent and value. Drake showed his hand instead of playing it cool. And it was bytch made behavior. Your an MC yourself. I know for a fact that if another MC gave you a look and expected that look to keep you from staking your claim you’d probably smack that nikka in the face. Just because I once gave you a loaf of bread that doesn’t mean I can stop you from one day coming to eat the whole feast, provided you worked to make it to the table.


When it comes to Kendrick and Cole. Yes Cole produced on Dot’s breakthrough mixtape. Kendrick returned the favor by being on Cole’s sophomore album. Kendrick was also on Revenge of The Dreamers 3. Its not like Kendrick never spoke or acknowledged Cole again after Hiiipower. Between Cole and Kendrick there’s no history of personal animosity like there is with Dot and Drake. The fact they never did an album together is just par for the course when it comes to the music industry. The ground is LITTERED with Collab albums that never happened. Nas and Mobb Deep. Nas and Common. Black Thought and Common. Ice Cube and Dr Dre. Beanie Sigel and Scarface. Ghostface Killah and MF Doom. Juelz Santana and Lil Wayne. And on and on and on…

Now coming to the actual battle. Again, I think Cole overestimated his friendship with Kendrick and underestimated just how much Kendrick has come to loathe Drake over the years. And even taking Drake’s bytch ass reaction to Control out of the mix. Drake himself seems to be a snake whose helping hand is always tipped with poison. There’s a reason why Weeknd, Rocky, Ross, Future and Metro all said “fukk Drake”. There’s a reason why literally NOBODY in the industry except for maybe 21 Savage stood up for Drake when he was getting his ass whopped. There’s a reason why it seemed like the entire Hip Hop world danced on his grave while shouting “A MINOOOOORRRR” at the top of their lungs. And it AIN’T just “jealousy”. Drake been moving foul for years behind the scenes. fukking nikkas girls and wives. Stealing nikkas songs. Jacking nikkas waves. Kendrick himself said “you KNOW we got some shyt to address” and I don’t think he was blowing smoke. Drake ain’t no benevolent angel his damn self.

So between the three of them, Cole might be the better of them from a “moralistic” point of view, we don’t know them so we can’t say for sure. But his naiveté got him jammed up. And he’s got to take responsibility for that. Ain’t no friends amongst competitors. He spent a decade proclaiming himself the sharpest MC. The deadliest. The BEST. And he got comfortable with that big three talk thinking all three of them would walk off into the sunset with individual legacies intact. And I can even give him the benefit of the doubt when thinking that because after Mr Morale it looked like Kendrick might be going in another direction.

But the MOMENT Kendrick said “F U C K the big three” he should’ve known it was up. He had all the opportunity in the world to check the temperature with Kendrick. He didn’t. He went against his better judgement and actually did what a goddamn MC is SUPPOSED to do. Just turns out a fake ass “brotherhood” with a nikka who told the world he was smoking on top 5’s meant more to him than defending the legacy he spent a painstaking number of years building up.
Look. I gotta take time to read and dissect this. Cause it’s a lot. But from what I saw I write. Number one. Section 80 wasn’t a mixtape it was an album. They switched the marketing for what it was once GKMC dropped. Number 2. It’s not about what u do. It’s how u do it. And son has a history of moving funny. Word to Big Sean. I feel like ur speaking out both sides of ur face right now. But like I said. Imma read and dissect this post in depth when I have time to.
 

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Cole pisses me the fukk off, man. All this talent and dude struggles to make albums nearly as interesting as his loosies and features.

Like how dare you have this ability and then tap out. How dare you have this ability but not be able to harness it into an undisputed classic album.
And y'all gotta leave that Kendrick slander the fukk up outta here. Kendrick is able to put it all together, and make albums that tell full stories, that have concepts that refer back to previous songs and characters and shyt.

That dude has analyzed himself and the world around him, and his culture in thought provoking ways. He can make an ALBUM. I saw someone say what Cole says here is deeper than anything on GNX? That's true. But GNX is the first album where Kendrick took it easily artistically.

I think if Cole could do what he did in this second verse across an album? He would be spoken of MUCH differently. When Cole is in his bag, he's pretty up there. But that's when he's in his bag. If he stuck around in the beef, and felt inspired to spit like he does on some of these features? shyt could have been VERY different.

The reason the loosies sound better is Cole is only good in small doses. He's just too boring to listen to over a full album. It's why his best work is his features. That rappity rap shyt ain't built for albums, and he's nowhere near the songwriter as people like Kendrick, so when he tries to do more conceptual stuff it usually falls flat.
 

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Cole knew the level of genius that kendrick was. He knew Kendrick was capable of a "Not like us" just like he was capable of a "Meet the Graham's". You could lock Cole in the studio for months and he couldn't create anything like those records. Maybe he believed he could match Kendrick with lyrics, but he knew for a fact he couldn't match him in song writing. And that's why he ran for the hills. All that "it was gods plan" bullshyt is just another cop out. fukk outta here. Cole was SHOOK. And he knows it deep down.
This the equivalent of Mike Tyson getting in a ring and walking out in the 1st round.

U can't call him the baddest man of the planet anymore

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The reason the loosies sound better is Cole is only good in small doses. He's just too boring to listen to over a full album. It's why his best work is his features. That rappity rap shyt ain't built for albums, and he's nowhere near the songwriter as people like Kendrick, so when he tries to do more conceptual stuff it usually falls flat.


Facts kind of like Jadakiss
 

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Cole disrespected his whole catalog and called him fake woke :dead:

WTF are you talking about?

Cole just aint have the conviction to sell it...
He called him fake woke(which is true). Said nikkas overrate his catalog(which is true). Said son was hating on the attention he was getting(also true). Cole actually felt that way. nikkas think these rappers don’t see the chatter. Cole was seeing people disrespect him in favor of Kendrick for years. Kendrick saw the narrative starting to switch in favor of Cole. Cole peeped how Kendrick moves as well. He also peeped son’s ego. He was asked to be on First Person Shooter. Declined and then got mad that they didn’t dikkride him on the joint and was bigging themselves up. Tried to turn around and tell the public that they dissed him when in reality they didn’t even diss him on that joint. lol. Then has the nerve to call Drake a master manipulator. shyt funny af. lol.
 

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I don’t give a fukk about the thread. I said since then that the shyt Cole said in that was shyt I been saying for years and that’s how Cole was feeling. He just wasn’t comfortable saying it out loud. Even other people in the industry was saying FINALLY Cole said it out loud how nikkas been feeling. Kendrick a grimey lil nikka. He’s leaning into it now even with GNX which I respect. But ain’t no two ways about it. No matter how many of ur bots respond to me with bullshyt laughing. Cause I do think ur responsible for all the bots by the way.
HELLO!

Finally!

Someone says it.

Drake might be an a$$hole, but the amount of GIFTS he gave nikkas out here is CRAZY. Even if he did it selfishly to boost himself…people NEVER said they didn’t benefit themselves form the assists Drake gave them.

Even Future was JEALOUS of 21 Savage as if they were entitled to MORE GIFTS. The shyt is crazy when you lay this out.

IDC how big of a piece of shyt Drake is…if DJ KHALED doesn’t get his sorry ass out there and kiss Drake’s feet, then I don’t blame Drake for cutting everyone off. nikkas flipped on Drake cause they thought he was soft but dont want accountability for moving like hoes when the energy shifts.

Kendrick wasn’t playing any of these relationship games but then used Drake for clout.

its NASTY out here.
 

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I don’t give a fukk about the thread. I said since then that the shyt Cole said in that was shyt I been saying for years and that’s how Cole was feeling. He just wasn’t comfortable saying it out loud. Even other people in the industry was saying FINALLY Cole said it out loud how nikkas been feeling. Kendrick a grimey lil nikka. He’s leaning into it now even with GNX which I respect. But ain’t no two ways about it. No matter how many of ur bots respond to me with bullshyt laughing. Cause I do think ur responsible for all the bots by the way.
Cole should be calling out Kendrick for being a BLM clout chasing HOTEP idiot.

But hes gonna piss off half of black America … and he knows he wants that ADOS love :francis:

Without the ADOS movement, I legit wonder if Cole doesn’t go fully in on Kendrick moving so wild.
 

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nikkas actin like Cole ain’t put them bars together on this :russ:

You gotta be corny as Hell not to be able to appreciate this.


Sure. It's a "dope" verse. But when eminem does this same exact shyt everyone calls it corny. This all technical shyt. All high level rhymers can do this shyt in their sleep. Cole is just trying to squeeze as many rhyming words and syllables as he possibly can into every bar. It sounds great to the ear but he's not saying anything of substance. Which is why Cole stans always focus more on his "rhyme schemes" than the actual content of his lyrics.


My hands are full with grands I pulled
From stanzas, no, I can't go slow
I'm Sandra Bull, either proceed with speed or don't breathe
There's no creed or color that won't heed
To the warning, the planet'll shake when I'm performing





Like yea. Ok. You're so good that people are cautious of you and you literally shake the world when you rap. Great stuff there Cole :beli: .....9 out of 10 Cole verses is him telling us how well he can rap over and over. I'm not impressed. Give us some substance.
 
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