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Great response. And this is where the issue is at and where my issue has been with Kendrick for years. Another thing Cole and Drake have in common is helping Kendrick IMMENSELY in the beginning of his career and I don’t see how anyone can dismiss that. IMO. Kendrick never really fukked wit either one and used both of them to get where and what he needed. This is why he always pump faked that collab album. This is why he had no issue not even attempting to peace shyt up with Drake when he felt a way. He never really fukked wit them. nikkas shyt on Drake but he saw Kendrick’s personality and drew the line a minute ago. Cole was naive as fukk and thought they was real friends not realizing their friendship was all on Kendrick’s terms. Kendrick def heard the chatter that people were saying Cole is becoming a better rapper than him and he DID NOT like it. I TRULY feel Cole meant every bar in 7 Minute Drill cause that’s some shyt he was holding in for a minute with how Kendrick been treating him. Son played himself by apologizing. I believe him and Drake will squash their shyt before him and Kendrick.


I feel the opposite. I think Cole didn’t really feel any of those things he said on 7 Minute Drill, most of it felt like a reach coming from him. But once the shyt is out you gotta STAND on it. The time for backtracking was over the minute he uploaded that song for the public to hear.

Also i’m not sold on either Drake or Kendrick helping Kendrick IMMENSELY as Kendrick was always going to blow up. Game, Snoop and Dre had that man on stage passing the torch to him BEFORE he linked up with Drake. The west coast had already chosen Kendrick as their next up. Drake saw what it was and did what he always does, took advantage of the moment and brought Kendrick on tour so he could buddy him up and hop on his wave.

I’m not saying that its a bad thing to do this. It was mutually beneficial for both of them. I’m saying that Kendrick is in no way wrong for not having some undying loyalty to Drake to the point where he can’t compete with him. Thats actually the mistake Cole made. Thinking that because somebody gave you a look it means you owe them forever or that ya’ll are friends. You wouldn’t have gotten that look if you didn’t in some way come to the table with your OWN leverage. Kendrick seems to be acutely aware of his talent, his leverage, and his status. It’s whats gotten him this far.

Let’s also not act like Drake didn’t move like a whole Hoe over that Control verse. He cried and bytched about it like Kendrick dropped Hit Em Up or some shyt when it was nothing more than a respectable battle verse. Literally NOBODY else reacted that way because they knew what it was. Drake was so pressed about it he went on a rant on ESPN and then had it pulled because he knew it was a bad look.

I’m not sure who pump faked on the Cole/Kendrick collab album. Cole, in his podcast made it seem like both of them just got too busy to make it work. Kendrick became a superstar after TPAB dropped and Cole was already there. Both of them seem reclusive and in their own worlds. Not to mention its hard for two artists on two different labels to drop an entire project together. I wouldn’t blame either Dot or Cole for that album not happening. I mean Dot has said his focusing on his own career deaded the Black Hippy album. So that means a Cole project definitely wasn’t on a high list of his priorities.

I agree with you that Drake and Cole will squash whatever issues that may have come from the battle. I mean why wouldn’t they? They themselves didn’t battle each other and even if Cole decided to wave the white flag, that ain’t got nothing to do with Drake. Drake really has no reason to be mad at Cole personally other than being disappointed like the rest of is that Cole didn’t follow through.

Cole and Kendrick might take years to squash but i’m sure it’ll eventually happen. Kendrick seems to be in “fukk any and everyone who rocks with Drake” mode and Cole made it clear on Port Antonio that he still fukks with Drake. So Dot is probably cool on that. I don’t think he’ll ever diss Cole on wax though, it would look like bullying to diss a man who publicly kissed your ring.

In summation this entire battle has been an incredible lesson on mixing business with supposed friendship in a culture as competitive as Hip Hop. It really reminds me a little bit of the Magic/Isaiah/Jordan frenemies competition of the 80’s. Isaiah and Magic were both cutthroat competitors who could still be friends off the court while Jordan HATED Isaiah’s guts. Jordan never forgave Isaiah for freezing him out at his first All Star game and for the infamous “Walk Off” moment at the 91 Eastern Conference finals. Even years later when Isaiah tried to make amends Jordan still won’t let it go. I feel like Kendrick will hate Drake forever lol.
 

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Lmao at rewriting history...checking the 7md thread, you can notice a lot of people were saying it was obvious Cole didnt believe the shyt he was rapping about and would end up apologizing or removing the track (also due to the bad reception)...and this is what happened the next Day.
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:russ: That 7 minute drill thread was wild
 

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I feel the opposite. I think Cole didn’t really feel any of those things he said on 7 Minute Drill, most of it felt like a reach coming from him. But once the shyt is out you gotta STAND on it. The time for backtracking was over the minute he uploaded that song for the public to hear.

Also i’m not sold on either Drake or Kendrick helping Kendrick IMMENSELY as Kendrick was always going to blow up. Game, Snoop and Dre had that man on stage passing the torch to him BEFORE he linked up with Drake. The west coast had already chosen Kendrick as their next up. Drake saw what it was and did what he always does, took advantage of the moment and brought Kendrick on tour so he could buddy him up and hop on his wave.

I’m not saying that its a bad thing to do this. It was mutually beneficial for both of them. I’m saying that Kendrick is in no way wrong for not having some undying loyalty to Drake to the point where he can’t compete with him. Thats actually the mistake Cole made. Thinking that because somebody gave you a look it means you owe them forever or that ya’ll are friends. You wouldn’t have gotten that look if you didn’t in some way come to the table with your OWN leverage. Kendrick seems to be acutely aware of his talent, his leverage, and his status. It’s whats gotten him this far.

Let’s also not act like Drake didn’t move like a whole Hoe over that Control verse. He cried and bytched about it like Kendrick dropped Hit Em Up or some shyt when it was nothing more than a respectable battle verse. Literally NOBODY else reacted that way because they knew what it was. Drake was so pressed about it he went on a rant on ESPN and then had it pulled because he knew it was a bad look.

I’m not sure who pump faked on the Cole/Kendrick collab album. Cole, in his podcast made it seem like both of them just got too busy to make it work. Kendrick became a superstar after TPAB dropped and Cole was already there. Both of them seem reclusive and in their own worlds. Not to mention its hard for two artists on two different labels to drop an entire project together. I wouldn’t blame either Dot or Cole for that album not happening. I mean Dot has said his focusing on his own career deaded the Black Hippy album. So that means a Cole project definitely wasn’t on a high list of his priorities.

I agree with you that Drake and Cole will squash whatever issues that may have come from the battle. I mean why wouldn’t they? They themselves didn’t battle each other and even if Cole decided to wave the white flag, that ain’t got nothing to do with Drake. Drake really has no reason to be mad at Cole personally other than being disappointed like the rest of is that Cole didn’t follow through.

Cole and Kendrick might take years to squash but i’m sure it’ll eventually happen. Kendrick seems to be in “fukk any and everyone who rocks with Drake” mode and Cole made it clear on Port Antonio that he still fukks with Drake. So Dot is probably cool on that. I don’t think he’ll ever diss Cole on wax though, it would look like bullying to diss a man who publicly kissed your ring.

In summation this entire battle has been an incredible lesson on mixing business with supposed friendship in a culture as competitive as Hip Hop. It really reminds me a little bit of the Magic/Isaiah/Jordan frenemies competition of the 80’s. Isaiah and Magic were both cutthroat competitors who could still be friends off the court while Jordan HATED Isaiah’s guts. Jordan never forgave Isaiah for freezing him out at his first All Star game and for the infamous “Walk Off” moment at the 91 Eastern Conference finals. Even years later when Isaiah tried to make amends Jordan still won’t let it go. I feel like Kendrick will hate Drake forever lol.
I’m not talking about what could’ve happened. What DID happen is they helped him immensely. Kendrick met Cole tryna slime him for the XXL Freshman slot. Cole met him and they chopped it up and he introduced him to a bunch of people. Produced for him. Collabed with him. All that. Kendrick was a nobody then. Cole was the first artist on Roc Nation. He was already up. Drake same shyt. Like I said before. Anyone trying to dismiss the biggest rapper in the game taking a nikka on tour. Giving him a solo song on his biggest album up until that point. And featuring on his leading single is either a covert narcissist or a dikkrider. If I ever see a nikka who received helped say “oh I didn’t ask u to help me..” lets me know they ain’t shyt as a person. Like I said. U can speak about what Kendrick would’ve and could’ve done but I’m speaking about what he DID do. And what DID happen. All that other shyt is irrelevant. U can hate Drake and also admit to how much these nikkas helped Kendrick. It’s dishonest af to say anything otherwise. Drake did shyt for Kendrick a lot of artists wouldn’t do for their own artists. Kanye ain’t even do that for Big Sean for instance. And the crazy shyt is. U nikkas try to dismiss it when KENDRICK HIMSELF is on video admitting this.
 

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Talent wise Cole wasnt even part of the big 3 anyway, he aint good enough, thats ,j'y he apologized lol
Cole being the 3rd Best of this era was a Cole fans thing...he wasnt even considered a better rapper than sean lol

Right now, at Best, he probably rangs 8 on the list of post 2010 rapper. Way behind the likes of Tyler and co, objectively
 

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Also i’m not sold on either Drake or Kendrick helping Kendrick IMMENSELY as Kendrick was always going to blow up. Game, Snoop and Dre had that man on stage passing the torch to him BEFORE he linked up with Drake. The west coast had already chosen Kendrick as their next up. Drake saw what it was and did what he always does, took advantage of the moment and brought Kendrick on tour so he could buddy him up and hop on his wave.
I want to highlight this part for these slow n*ggas again who keep trying to push this narrative that either Jermaine or Aubrey HELPED Kendrick get to where he is now. When the King of his Coast, a Legendary Hip-hop producer and the artist who everyone claims was keeping the coast a float crown you the next up, fellow upcoming artist co-signing you and befriending you doesn't come remotely close to that elevation. Snoop a living legend will openly tell you who the king of the coast is.

I just want them to just admit they aren't fans of Kendrick and stop trying to justify it with made up social media babble - that would be honest and fine.
 

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Bro I’m bout to deactivate my account I swear. lol. This site is insufferable at this point. The dikkriding in the last few responses to me doesn’t even deserve a response from me. These nikkas ruin every fukkin thread. What’s worse is that real posters dikkride so much that they happily engage with the bots and contribute to the bullshyt.
Respectfully the guy with the 7 Kendrick accounts is probably some 15 year old white boy. His responses aren’t intelligent. He doesn’t understand the word “objective”. He’s laughing at getting a response from you. People can love Kendrick and others can love Drake. It shouldn’t upset anyone this much…..
 

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nikkas actin like Cole ain’t put them bars together on this :russ:

You gotta be corny as Hell not to be able to appreciate this.

Same thing i said in another thread, cats that don't realize this are either a straight up hater , follower, dont write or are just plain stupid :pachaha:
 

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Shooting Cole the TINIEST bit of bail here, i don’t think he was “scared” and in quaking in his boots at the thought of battling Kendrick. I think he truly overestimated one thing.

1). His “friendship” with Kendrick

And underestimated one thing

2). The amount of ambition Kendrick had to be the best and his loathing of Drake.


Cole don’t have no hate in his heart for either Drake or Kendrick. He sees Drake as a kindred spirit as they have similar backgrounds. Both are biracial, with white mothers who raised them and black fathers who they only saw during the summers. Both got on by dropping mixtapes, both got mentored by superstar legends, both struggled with the pressure of living up to being the “next up”. They helped each other at crucial points during that come up.

Cole sees Kendrick as an artistic soulmate. They share the same hunger for rap. The same love for the artform. The same desire to be respected amongst their peers. I truly think if someone offered to ghostwrite a single bar for either of them, they’d probably murder that individual. They spent time on the road together. Cole probably thought there was a solid brotherhood between them. And Cole does strike me as the type to hold friendships dear.


When Cole spit that “Big three” line. I do think he meant it with his whole heart. He’s said that he’s close to retirement and The Fall Off is supposed to be his last album. So that would mean he’s content with his place in Hip Hop and is content with being part of the top three where each had a claim to being the best. Drake because of his monumental commercial success. Kendrick because of his prodigious critical/commercial acclaim. And Cole because of his incredible skill. Kendrick said “F U C K That. Its time to go to war and PROVE whose number 1”

Not skirmish
Not battle
WAR

And thats wherein the problem lies for Cole. He ain’t scared of a skirmish. He ain’t scared of a battle. He don’t want to go to WAR. Kendrick had an entire WAR strategy planned out. Including the inevitability of things getting dirty. Cole’s deadly mistake was thinking this was going to be a battle. 7 Minute Drill is a BATTLE record. He should’ve checked the temperature with Kendrick or his camp before he put out that song. Or he should have said “fukk friendship. This is what Hip Hop IS” and prepared for WAR.


Either way he should have NEVER put himself in a position where he’s apologizing on stage in front of thousands of his OWN fans. That was egregious as fukk. fukk being friends with the man who said “Muthafukk a big three, its just big ME!”.

Cole misread the entire situation from top to bottom and if anything, should be being clowned for being blind to the situation. That might be worse than simply being afraid to engage.

I rock with the post but The bold is all that needed to be said in regard to Cole, and what most of us supporting him have been saying, it should be no smoke for that.

Cole being scared of dude is laughable. Kendrick put out that control shyt and didnt get no smoke for ducking the responses. Son gets too many passes that's just one example.
 

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I want to highlight this part for these slow n*ggas again who keep trying to push this narrative that either Jermaine or Aubrey HELPED Kendrick get to where he is now. When the King of his Coast, a Legendary Hip-hop producer and the artist who everyone claims was keeping the coast a float crown you the next up, fellow upcoming artist co-signing you and befriending you doesn't come remotely close to that elevation. Snoop a living legend will openly tell you who the king of the coast is.

I just want them to just admit they aren't fans of Kendrick and stop trying to justify it with made up social media babble - that would be honest and fine.


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