Netanyahu to US: 'Don't ever second-guess me again'

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This isn't true. Netanyahu and his ilk have made it so that Israel only holds majority support in US and parts of Africa (mostly having to do with aid or because they also deal with terrorism).

How the world sees Israel, in one chart
Updated by Zack Beauchamp on July 29, 2014, 1:20 p.m. ET @zackbeauchamp zack@vox.com


There've been demonstrations around the world over the war between Israel and Hamas, often against Israel's role in the conflict. So clearly some people feel strongly about the issue, but what does everyone else think? There's data to help answer this. A regular BBC World Service poll on international views of Israel tells us a lot of interesting things about how the country is perceived and its place in the world.

The BBC poll asks people in 22 countries (plus, some years, a few others) whether they have a "mainly positive" or "mainly negative" view about a list of countries set by the BBC. Here are the results for Israel from the past three years — it's important to look at all of them, because the 2012 survey was conducted before Israel's generally unpopular 2012 aerial campaign in Gaza:

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There's a lot to pick apart in here, but there are some obvious, consistent findings that are really interesting.

Most countries have a pretty dim view of Israel's influence on the world
In almost every country surveyed, over all three years, more people said they had a "mainly negative" than "mainly positive" view of Israel. This was true in every surveyed country in Asia, Europe, and South America.

The BBC lists a "global average" for each year that shows about two-to-one negative over positive views, although the poll does not specify whether this metric weights for country size.

Israel is viewed most positively in the United States and sub-Saharan Africa
It's well known that Israel polls well inside the United States (here's why). But Israel's relatively strong numbers in Ghana and Kenya, as well as its strong result in Nigeria in 2012, might be more surprising.

There's a few potential explanations. One is that, shortly after Israel's founding, the country made a concerted effort to reach out to sub-Saharan African states. Israel, as University of Ghana political scientists Kwame Boafo-Arthur and E. Gyimah-Boadi explain, was a vocal supporter of decolonization in the 1950s and an early and enthusiastic provider of foreign aid.

This relationship soured in the 70s and 80s over Israeli support for apartheid South Africa and conflict with Arab states, but Boafo-Arthur and Boadi see a general trend towards improved relations between Israel and African states in the post-Cold War era. About 40 African states either reopened shuttered relations with Israel or established them for the first time, and sub-state economic ties flourished.

Another potential explanation is more specific to some of the countries in the poll. Both Kenya and Nigeria face serious threats from Islamist militant groups (al-Shabaab and Boko Haram, respectively). This might make them more sympathetic to nations, like Israel, taking aggressive military actions against what they might see as similar threats. Indeed, Kenya and Nigeria are among a small handful of countries around the world whose publics have a net-positive view of America's drone program.

Public sentiment about Israel doesn't seem to determine a country's Israel-Palestine policy
While most publics may broadly see Israel negatively, that is not always reflected in government policy. This map, which shows which countries have formal diplomatic relations with just with Israel (blue), just with Palestine (green), or both (grey), is a rough barometer for how governments approach the conflict:

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The pattern among countries in Europe and the Pacific are particularly striking. These countries' citizens tend to be pretty critical of Israel. French people, for example, hold negative views of Israel over positive by a three-to-one margin. Yet their governments have full diplomatic relations with Israel and do not recognize Palestine as an independent country. The reasons for that are complex and have to do with views of how to adjudicate the conflict as much as with international politics, but the point is that popular views of Israel do not necessarily predict government policy on Israel-Palestine.



This country is a fukking joke, we have more of a positive view of Israel than Israel does of itself :dead:
 

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Ask a white gentile that's Irish, German, Italian and some other European whites how they feel about Jews.

Just look at what the German's tried to do to the Jews.

A white Gentile? :mjlol: And it doesn't matter how they feel about the fake Jews. They are ALL the same people. Just because the fake Jews are above them doesn't negate that.
 

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While we didn't singlehandedly win the war, our help while both Russia and Western Europe were on the ropes looking like :flabbynsick: definitely shortened the war. Before we officially entered the fray we were supplying aid to both England and Russia by providing weaponry. Once we did enter the war Germany's defeat within a few years was assured. Historians agree Germany would have never been able to beat Russia no matter what (I somewhat disagree with that assessment) but a longer war would have meant the elimination of pretty much all Jews in Europe. Israel should be forever grateful and humble towards us. Russia and Britain as well but they don't seem to go out of their way to mindlessly serve Israel interests.

This is already a much nuanced statement. The Soviet Union was not in the ropes though, and indeed Nazi Germany was not going to beat the USSR. And let's not overlook the resistance in various countries.

Now let's not forget the role that IBM was playing in the concentration camps. That's why I mean whne I say that the US was not all that innocent in its dealing with the 3rd Reich/the Holocaust.

And all Jews were not gonna be eliminated, there are huge differences between countries under Nazi occupation: while the Netherlands went out of its way to deport even more Jews than what the Nazis had set as goals, it was the exact opposite in Denmark. Many Jews managed to blend in/hide (my grandparents hid a Jew man while Nazis were occupying Belgium, and they were far from the only ones).
 

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I'm very confused? How so?

You act like the Germans did not try to stop the Jews from what they are doing right now.

You act like there is another ethnicity of people who ever tried to bring them justice.

You could be a religious "blacks are the real Jews" type of person.

As if religion is anything other than old made up stories.
 

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WHITE PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE SO-CALLED JEW) ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE. I could give a fukk about internal conflicts between them. It doesn't mean shyt. Common sense, which isn't so common it appears, should tell you this.

All people are just humans, everyone is part of the same species so it really does not matter.
 

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This is already a much nuanced statement. The Soviet Union was not in the ropes though, and indeed Nazi Germany was not going to beat the USSR. And let's not overlook the resistance in various countries.

Now let's not forget the role that IBM was playing in the concentration camps. That's why I mean whne I say that the US was not all that innocent in its dealing with the 3rd Reich/the Holocaust.

And all Jews were not gonna be eliminated, there are huge differences between countries under Nazi occupation: while the Netherlands went out of its way to deport even more Jews than what the Nazis had set as goals, it was the exact opposite in Denmark. Many Jews managed to blend in/hide (my grandparents hid a Jew man while Nazis were occupying Belgium, and they were far from the only ones).

Russia was indeed on the ropes right until the failed capture of Moscow. There was a small window where the defeat of Russia was totally feasible. Stalin actually thought he was going to be executed for the Russian failures. However, the delay in operation Barbarossa and Hitler's ineptitude in Military affairs sank their battleship. Even of they didn't "win" in Russia, occupying a vast majority of the country would have given Germany leverage in any negotiations, particularly if they also occupied England. Another thing that hindered them in the USSR was their brutal treatment of the locals who in turn formed fierce partisan resistance. Germany made a ton of errors in a theatre where they couldn't afford any.

The Jews were definitely on their way to being totally exterminated. Yeah, there were going to be some who were saved by whatever means necessary but the vast majority were going to be killed if the war continued another three years or so. There definitely would not have been enough left to send to Palestine and form Israel.
 

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What did I say that isn't true? Israël is supported by the US and European countries, that's obvious when one sees the lack of action from those governments. They scream and shout about sanctions against Putin though.

The polls you posted are about what the population thinks, which is entirely different than what countries are doing. It's actually irrelevant, similar polls showed that the populations of countries that took part in the Iraq invasion were vastly against it, at least in continental Europe, yet some governments (Italy, Spain...) still decided to go. And it's one thing for the random Joe to anonymously state his opinion on Israël, it's something else for people who have interests (artists, political actors, etc.). It's the whole Dieudonné story.

Hell French PM Valls said just last week I think that being against Israël's policies is basically "veiled anti-semitism".
You said very broadly that Europe feels guilt. You never qualified your statements. My polls are entirely relevant. The point is, that the world as a whole is against Israel's current policies and you need to make it clear that you're distinguishing between governments and the populace unless you're going to muddle the message. It is also important because these very polls have many in Israel worried that they are becoming delegitimized. There is an article in the Economist today on that very point. You weren't wrong, you just weren't specific enough and that is always important in these discussions
 
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