Neither of the major parties support reparations. Instead of staying home, vote for the party that does.

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Sorry, but time is up. The number of black people in political positions the Democrat party are not effective enough in advocating for black people in tangible, meaningful ways. Correct me if I'm wrong, but who is the premier Democrat advocating for reparations? Who is advocating for a greater investment in HBCUs? How about social safety nets? In the last 3 years the so-called "Squad" is famous for talking but what actionable items have they done to help their constituents and marginalized groups?

It's not punishing Democrats, it's forcing them to play the game the Republicans have, just in our favor. Because as it is, the Republicans, for as heinous as they are, have been very effective in delivering what they and their constituents want. They've back the SC, vote in droves, and enact or destroy bills that favor them. Ruthlessly.

Simply being represented is not enough anymore. Talk is not enough. Republicans don't get votes by talking. Why should Democrats?
That is why I said "on code" black people. They obviously are not. Same way white supremacists infiltrate the Republican party and law enforcement, blacks can do it the same way. If they can see you coming from a mile away saying "im here to help black people and black people only, i dont care about other races," no chance in hell are you going to be put in a position of power. That might can cut it in a predominantly black city, but not the highest office in the land.
 

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That is why I said "on code" black people. They obviously are not. Same way white supremacists infiltrate the Republican party and law enforcement, blacks can do it the same way. If they can see you coming from a mile away saying "im here to help black people and black people only, i dont care about other races," no chance in hell are you going to be put in a position of power. That might can cut it in a predominantly black city, but not the highest office in the land.
Again, I'm not of a defeatist mindset. I've given you the means, historical context, and proposition to do what can benefit black people. The political will to do it rests in the wallets of black people with money. As it does with cacs with money who push their agendas into bills. Political will is less about being "on code" and more about money now. But if the very potential to win elections is in jeopardy for the only party that claims to be in favor of black people, they will change their policy making and agendas; regardless of coffers and donations.
 

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But coli shills already told us that anything but a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump and anyone supporting anything but voting Biden is a secret MAGA agent trying to secure a Trump victory.
This is true in an indirect way. No Green Party candidate has a single chance of winning.

I'm not out to to change minds. You can vote or not vote as you please. But to jump up and say, I'll vote for the guys who have zero chance of winning because reparations.. It's defeatist. It sucks the Democrats can't give us and noone else attention but they do plenty for us...if you feel differently you really are a gop shill. There are plenty on here. Let's not kids ourselves. And one of the main ways they push to suppress votes is to go to 'woke' segments of the community and get them riled up over something like reparations and tell them not to vote as a result. Democrats aren't getting it done? Fair enough! Guess what? Neither is the Green Party. I have more respect for people who just stay home. Not much more...but yeah.

I'm not even gonna bring up the attempts by the Democrats to actually get that ball rolling. This is a circle jerk and you have your right to it. Spread your lies as you must.
 

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If Reparations didn’t happen when actual former slaves were alive why do you expect them now?

Its never happening doesn’t matter if by some miracle the green party gets into power.
 

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Thecoli really wants to waste a vote on a third-party candidate. I do wish we had a viable 3rd party. The way we elect presidents needs to change.
 

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You know, I wish people would just be honest and say they want Trump/Republicans to win.

If that's how you feel, that's how you feel :yeshrug: but be a fukking man about it and make your case. Ths indirect shyt is weak.
 

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This is true in an indirect way. No Green Party candidate has a single chance of winning.

I'm not out to to change minds. You can vote or not vote as you please. But to jump up and say, I'll vote for the guys who have zero chance of winning because reparations.. It's defeatist. It sucks the Democrats can't give us and noone else attention but they do plenty for us...if you feel differently you really are a gop shill. There are plenty on here. Let's not kids ourselves. And one of the main ways they push to suppress votes is to go to 'woke' segments of the community and get them riled up over something like reparations and tell them not to vote as a result. Democrats aren't getting it done? Fair enough! Guess what? Neither is the Green Party. I have more respect for people who just stay home. Not much more...but yeah.

I'm not even gonna bring up the attempts by the Democrats to actually get that ball rolling. This is a circle jerk and you have your right to it. Spread your lies as you must.
It's defeatist to you because you miss the point of voting 3rd party. :snoop:


It's to show up and show that you're serious about the issues you're voting on and then an ambitious candidate will see how they can siphon some of those third party votes by including some of the third party agenda items in their platform.


Defeatist is someone who doesn't see the value in this and will just bend to the current norms and thus their issues (if they have any) never get taken seriously as they've shown they'll vote against their own interests for whatever reason so it's clearly not as big of a deal as they say it is.
 

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Again, I'm not of a defeatist mindset. I've given you the means, historical context, and proposition to do what can benefit black people. The political will to do it rests in the wallets of black people with money. As it does with cacs with money who push their agendas into bills. Political will is less about being "on code" and more about money now. But if the very potential to win elections is in jeopardy for the only party that claims to be in favor of black people, they will change their policy making and agendas; regardless of coffers and donations.
You say money is the key like that is a simple fix. Money is something that black people have a lot less of than other races.

If being on code is not important, how are black people going to be on the same page about this new party? Black peope are not a monolith. How do you get the pawg lovers and swirlers on board, the boot licking c00ns (like Tim Scott), black feminist and lgbt who feel like they are marginalized more than black men, and those who just don't give a damn about any of this and are just worried about going to the club/getting turnt?

Don't get me started on those who would use this "new party" as an opportunity to grift, take money, and use it to fund a lavish lifestyle. We've seen it with BLM.

Black Americans are more worried about Palestine right now than the injustices we face in America.

This is not a defeatist attitude, but a realist attitude. I was once a young idealistic political science student thinking that total black unity could happen with the right idea. Putting ideas in action are not that simple if you don't have an answer for possible roadblocks.
 
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Reparations for slavery has to become socially acceptable before it will ever become a viable political ticket.
Believe it or not at least 70% of the country is against to the point of seeing it as taboo. No established politician is going to through their career away "failing" to get that motion passed. The culture needs to change before any laws will ever be passed.
 

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Reparations for slavery has to become socially acceptable before it will ever become a viable political ticket.
Believe it or not at least 70% of the country is against to the point of seeing it as taboo. No established politician is going to through their career away "failing" to get that motion passed. The culture needs to change before any laws will ever be passed.

To add on to that, literally every black person in the country could vote a certain way (third party, write-in, etc.) and it still wouldn't come close to happening.

So advocating for black people to be single-issue voters and only vote on the basis of reparations (which won't pass regardless) is silly. It's absolutely deserved but we have to be realistic about the political environment.
 

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I think we’ll have a better chance if we stick with the Republicans.
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Or not vote at all
 

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There is a conservative majority Supreme Court. The president can’t just “do” shyt. If that was the case, there would be a wall, and there would be student loan cancellation.



You are still voting for policies that have nothing to do with race, yet still affect you.

Republicans are literally wiping out every program that helps Black Americans. And I don’t want to hear that bullshyt about white women benefitting, or other races, or non ADOS. Black Americans benefit from those programs. Many black entrepreneurs have received funding, and grants due to these programs.
Shouldn’t you want black people to consider all candidates, actually going about the election logically

I understand you may want republicans out of office but I just don’t like this idea of holding people hands telling them how to vote, I just think that sends out the wrong message, especially considering this topic of reparations
 
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