Neither of the major parties support reparations. Instead of staying home, vote for the party that does.

[King]

Fact remains that no pro-reparations candidate will ever be President in America without non-black people voting for him. How do you sell reparations for blacks to whites, Latino, Asians? In addition, how do you get raced based reparations past courts and lawsuits when it's being established now through elimination of Affirmative Action and DEI, that initiatives/programs that discriminate based on race are considered illegal.

The same way any meaningful concession from the white supremacist class was brought about

*hint it wasn't standard political procedure*

Where's your family from?

 

[Gritsngravy]

This is ensuring Republicans win every election. There is not a large enough black population across the states to elect this candidate. Period.

Stop being emotional.

What is supposed to be the purpose of voting?

 

[darkmanp]

We said no black person would be president and we might have 2 before 2030. We said Civil Rights are infeasible and, despite their erosion, have been feasible. Japanese Americans got reparations and if whites and Latinos can prove they are descendants of slaves that built America, they can be entitled to reparations as well.

Even if it's not about reparations, a party that puts unions first and common sense laws about climate change and public safety nets, should be a go to for black people.

Right now we want to argue about abortion rights; the biggest beneficiaries of abortions are black women. By a significant margin. So eroding abortion rights doesn't benefit cacs, it benefits black women (if that is the republican view of it).

If we're talking about Affirmative Action; it mostly benefited white women and LGBTQ+ people. That isn't to say it didn't help black people, it just overwhelmingly helped white women more.

I think Malcom was right and so was the UNIA. Black people need to exercise their autonomy and political strength; because we definitely have political weight. To say we exist only to bolster one party over the other is defeatist. Black people's struggles did not end at the enactment of civil rights; our personhood is questioned implicitly rather than explicitly. And that needs to change through the levers of democracy and democratic voting blocs.

You're right, they did say we would never have a black president. But Obama was good enough to sell himself as the President of the United States of America, not just black America. He is criticized by some becaise he was seen as not doing enough for black America exclusively.

However, you still have not provided a tangible (a popular word around here) way of getting reparations exclusively for black people. A new party still doesn't give black people the sheer numbers needed. My point is you're going to have to convince some non-blacks to go along with it.

Giving more power to Republicans who promise they will do everything possible to ensure that black people will never receive reparations is not the positive that yall think it is.

 

[Tair]

OP is "uncommitted" just like the Arab voters. They aren't being labeled, "emotional," I wonder why?

 

[Neuromancer]

The Green Party? You mean that compromised Russian intelligence front group that waits every 4 years to talk revolutionary, then disappears and does nothing? Yeah, no.

I thought that was the American Communist Party who have also campaigned in recent years.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

OP is "uncommitted" just like the Arab voters. They aren't being labeled, "emotional," I wonder why?

It's funny you say that cause OP is arab himself.

 

[darkmanp]

The same way any meaningful concession from the white supremacist class was brought about

*hint it wasn't standard political procedure*

Where's your family from?

So what are you talking about? Civil War?

My family is from VA. Why do you ask?

 

[The Guru]

The overwhelming majority of green voters would have otherwise voted democrat. All you'd be doing is helping republican victory.

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

Third party protest votes are a legit strategy. If they get enough votes the major party's may adapt third party policies.

Like I said though, who?

Saying just vote Green Party (which I never even heard of) without details in the candidates is kinda open-ended. Do we just pick a random member on the ballot?

they been around since 2000s

 

[Seoul Gleou]

You're right, they did say we would never have a black president. But Obama was good enough to sell himself as the President of the United States of America, not just black America. He is criticized by some becaise he was seen as not doing enough for black America exclusively.

However, you still have not provided a tangible (a popular word around here) way of getting reparations exclusively for black people. A new party still doesn't give black people the sheer numbers needed. My point is you're going to have to convince some non-blacks to go along with it.

Giving more power to Republicans who promise they will do everything possible to ensure that black people will never receive reparations is not the positive that yall think it is.

Here're the tangibles

What is NAARC's 10-Point Reparations Plan?

NAARC's Reparations plan is a 10-point document for review, revision and adoption as a platform to guide the struggle for reparations for people of African descent in the U.S.

reparationscomm.org

You see it as giving more power to Republicans, I see it as making Democrats work with urgency to build a coalition that includes black people to stop Republicans.

We know Republicans don't like black people. We hear Democrats claim they do. If the Green Party is straight up offering what we want, why wouldn't Democrats do the same to siphon votes from the Greens?

Why are we accepting a 2 party system to begin with? If this is America and we have the freedom to choose, why not choose a third party? Literally everyone hates the two candidates we have from both parties right now.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Third party protest votes are a legit strategy. If they get enough votes the major party's may adapt third party policies.


they been around since 2000s

Great

 

[darkmanp]

Here's the tangibles

What is NAARC's 10-Point Reparations Plan?

NAARC's Reparations plan is a 10-point document for review, revision and adoption as a platform to guide the struggle for reparations for people of African descent in the U.S.

reparationscomm.org

You see it as giving more power to Republicans, I see it as making Democrats work with urgency to build a coalition that includes black people to stop Republicans.

We know Republicans don't like black people. We hear Democrats claim they do. If the Green Party is straight up offering what we want, why wouldn't Democrats do the same to siphon votes from the Greens?

Why are we accepting a 2 party system to begin with? If this is America and we have the freedom to choose, why not choose a third party? Literally everyone hates the two candidates we have from both parties right now.

They are not mutually exclusive. Punishing democrats will equal giving Republicans more power to pass laws that will harm black people further, and giving them the prosecutors and judges to keep laws in place.

There are a high number of black people in political positions in the Democrat party now. What's stopping us from doing a takeover like MAGA did the Republican party? The party already has the numbers. Just need "on code" black people to make it happen.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Ahh, so there are enough black people to elect candidates election after election. but not enough to splinter off and force the 2 dominating parties to vie for black votes.
Being emotional is providing unwavering support without quid pro quo in politics. Black people should not celebrate being thrown breadcrumbs if we can have a loaf.

There is a conservative majority Supreme Court. The president can’t just “do” shyt. If that was the case, there would be a wall, and there would be student loan cancellation.

What is supposed to be the purpose of voting?

You are still voting for policies that have nothing to do with race, yet still affect you.

Republicans are literally wiping out every program that helps Black Americans. And I don’t want to hear that bullshyt about white women benefitting, or other races, or non ADOS. Black Americans benefit from those programs. Many black entrepreneurs have received funding, and grants due to these programs.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

They are not mutually exclusive. Punishing democrats will equal giving Republicans more power to pass laws that will harm black people further, and giving them the prosecutors and judges to keep laws in place.

There are a high number of black people in political positions in the Democrat party now. What's stopping us from doing a takeover like MAGA did the Republican party? The party already has the numbers. Just need "on code" black people to make it happen.

Sorry, but time is up. The number of black people in political positions the Democrat party are not effective enough in advocating for black people in tangible, meaningful ways. Correct me if I'm wrong, but who is the premier Democrat advocating for reparations? Who is advocating for a greater investment in HBCUs? How about social safety nets? In the last 3 years the so-called "Squad" is famous for talking but what actionable items have they done to help their constituents and marginalized groups?

It's not punishing Democrats, it's forcing them to play the game the Republicans have, just in our favor. Because as it is, the Republicans, for as heinous as they are, have been very effective in delivering what they and their constituents want. They've back the SC, vote in droves, and enact or destroy bills that favor them. Ruthlessly.

Simply being represented is not enough anymore. Talk is not enough. Republicans don't get votes by talking. Why should Democrats?

There is a conservative majority Supreme Court. The president can’t just “do” shyt. If that was the case, there would be a wall, and there would be student loan cancellation.

Except this president is clearly showing he can do whatever the fukk he wants. They block him on aid to Israel or Ukraine? He bypasses congress to do it anyway. He isn't challenged and the government doesn't shut down. Moreover, what conditions led to the SC being packed? Why did that happen under the Democrats' watch? Let's not play victim and pretend the Republicans do what they do because they're smarter; they're not.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

I don't know why people don't seem to get what I'm saying.

If you want to send a message, how is ignoring the party that wants reparations because "they can't win" and staying home better than just saying "these guys are offering what I want and I'll send democrats a message"?

Ross perot was a third party candidate that got many votes. He didn't win, but his policies were interesting enough that voters went to the polls and made their voices heard.

As a result both parties were reviewing their platforms and stealing from him to get those votes that went to him. You get reparations when it's wrapped in other things. Walkable cities, police accountability, consumer protections, loans for small businesses and serious penalties on businesses like Amazon who are trying to create Monopolies. Strong environmental protections to fight damage coming from climate change. Access to abortions etc. These are all broadly popular things that most Americans express support for every time they're polled.

Young people especially want action on these topics instead of all talk. I want the democrats to win because they aren't interested in taking rights away like Republicans are. We live in a fukking bizarre world now where it's democrats that have become the party of freedom while these disgusting creatures on the right are obsessed with banning everything.

But they've been taking people's votes for granted because when they're elected to do shyt, they get power and don't use it whilst Republicans immediately start using their power when they get it. Democrats should be going back to their roots, that's what people like Bernie sanders represented and why he was popular. He didn't win, but he sent a message and pushed the party slightly more to the left.