I disagreed with that too when it happened. Luckily no one had a crazy COVID year
Negro League stats to be officially integrated into MLB Database on Wednesday
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DerrtySouthpaw
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Cobb catching strays in this thread cause his biographer lied about him 
Lot of that turned out to be BS Cobb was an advocate of Jackie Roberson and said that Hank Aaron was fhe best hitter he ever sawnah
As result of Wednesday's integration, Negro Leagues legend Josh Gibson is now the all-time leader in career batting average (.372, beating out Ty Cobb's .366), slugging percentage (.718, beating out Babe Ruth's .690), and OPS (1.177, beating out Ruth's 1.164). Gibson is also the new single-season leader in those categories. The new single-season leaderboards:
BATTING AVERAGE SLUGGING PERCENTAGE OPS 1. Josh Gibson: .446 in 1943 1. Josh Gibson: .974 in 1937 1. Josh Gibson: 1.474 in 1931 2. Charlie Smith: .451 in 1929 2. Mule Stuttes: .898 in 1927 2. Josh Gibson: 1.435 in 1943 3. Hugh Duffy: .440 in 1898 3. Josh Gibson: .871 in 1943 3. Barry Bonds: 1.421 in 2004
that racist cac ty cobb
Cobb catching strays in this thread cause his biographer lied about him
Just did some background research and it's possible you're right. I never heard that angle before.
DerrtySouthpaw
Gawdisbyke
I looked it up too, and he literally came from a family of abolitionist. His grandfather refused to fight for the south over slavery but imma let these dudes cook
Just did some background research and it's possible you're right. I never heard that angle before.
Cobb said the mlb should totally be integrated
Bleedin Gums Murphy
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Howard Bryant was cooking with fish grease with this one
, from 2020:
Baseball has sent the message: Generations of Black men who were denied the opportunity to play against the world's best competition might have had to carry the devastating price of segregation with them to their graves, but the institution does not. Instead of accepting its history as a reminder of its past and its human cost, to remain as an institutional conscience, baseball took the easy way out. It decided to make itself feel better by rewriting the history books.
[…]
MLB's news release referred to the decision as "correcting an oversight." But the Negro Leagues were not the result of an "oversight," and to frame their exclusion as such is stunningly offensive. It was a deliberate system. The major leagues destroyed a half-century of Black baseball history, and baseball history in general, with one unrelenting purpose in mind: to do their part in reinforcing Black inferiority to the rest of the country.
[…]
The Negro Leagues did not play alongside the major leagues. They survived despite the major leagues. That intentional subjugation cannot be undone with a pen stroke. It cannot be forgotten that baseball spent a half-century undermining the credibility of the Negro Leagues.
[…]
The better remedy, of course, would have been to tell the truth. But America does not do the truth very well. A century from now, because of what baseball has done, the record books will show an equality, a form of separate-but-equal fiction that at first glance absolves MLB of its active hand in destroying the careers of Black baseball players -- and a Black institution. Historians will have to circumvent the now-public record to recover the truth.
[…]
it must also acknowledge that the tattered, unreliable statistical and historical record of the Negro Leagues was not the byproduct of Black baseball's poor business acumen. It was born from baseball's racism, and the effects of that racism cannot be retrofitted into the record books. Not knowing Slim Jones' full statistics is not his stain but baseball's. The reason the Negro Leagues are so steeped in legend is because no one knows precisely what happened.
[…]
The legend that Josh Gibson perhaps hit 800 home runs carries more power than what is left of the shredded, surviving statistical record because it gave these Black men their poetry. It gave them their dignity. The legend was more important than being anointed legitimate 100 years later by the very industry that excluded them. They became bigger than the numbers that were denied them. Legend has given them back what MLB took.
, from 2020:Baseball has sent the message: Generations of Black men who were denied the opportunity to play against the world's best competition might have had to carry the devastating price of segregation with them to their graves, but the institution does not. Instead of accepting its history as a reminder of its past and its human cost, to remain as an institutional conscience, baseball took the easy way out. It decided to make itself feel better by rewriting the history books.
[…]
MLB's news release referred to the decision as "correcting an oversight." But the Negro Leagues were not the result of an "oversight," and to frame their exclusion as such is stunningly offensive. It was a deliberate system. The major leagues destroyed a half-century of Black baseball history, and baseball history in general, with one unrelenting purpose in mind: to do their part in reinforcing Black inferiority to the rest of the country.
[…]
The Negro Leagues did not play alongside the major leagues. They survived despite the major leagues. That intentional subjugation cannot be undone with a pen stroke. It cannot be forgotten that baseball spent a half-century undermining the credibility of the Negro Leagues.
[…]
The better remedy, of course, would have been to tell the truth. But America does not do the truth very well. A century from now, because of what baseball has done, the record books will show an equality, a form of separate-but-equal fiction that at first glance absolves MLB of its active hand in destroying the careers of Black baseball players -- and a Black institution. Historians will have to circumvent the now-public record to recover the truth.
[…]
it must also acknowledge that the tattered, unreliable statistical and historical record of the Negro Leagues was not the byproduct of Black baseball's poor business acumen. It was born from baseball's racism, and the effects of that racism cannot be retrofitted into the record books. Not knowing Slim Jones' full statistics is not his stain but baseball's. The reason the Negro Leagues are so steeped in legend is because no one knows precisely what happened.
[…]
The legend that Josh Gibson perhaps hit 800 home runs carries more power than what is left of the shredded, surviving statistical record because it gave these Black men their poetry. It gave them their dignity. The legend was more important than being anointed legitimate 100 years later by the very industry that excluded them. They became bigger than the numbers that were denied them. Legend has given them back what MLB took.
I looked it up too, and he literally came from a family of abolitionist. His grandfather refused to fight for the south over slavery but imma let these dudes cook
This shyt is blowing my mind. Like if this is all real and not just random Cobb fans white-washing his legacy, I'm totally thrown off.
"So it is interesting to note that 90 years ago, on May 11, 1930, it was Cobb, two years after retiring as the game's greatest player, who took a train from Georgia to throw out the first pitch at Hamtramck Stadium, the new Negro League ballpark that served as the on-and-off home field of the Detroit Stars from 1930 to 1937 and the Detroit Wolves in 1932."
"And yet, other stories have been twisted over time, Leerhsen said, including tales of Cobb brandishing a gun and hitting a black butcher who insulted his wife and punching a black bellboy and black watchman at a Cleveland hotel. Leehrsen's research found the three men were white."
"In fact, he descended from a long line of abolitionists. As Charlie Leerhsen discovered, Ty’s great-grandfather was a minister who was run out of town for preaching against slavery. His grandfather refused to fight in the Confederate army because of slavery. His father was an educator and Georgia state senator who spoke up for his black constituents and whose political career was in part cut short for having broken up a lynch mob.”
90 years ago, Detroit Tigers legend Ty Cobb challenged myths of being maniacal racist
Detroit Tigers legend Ty Cobb carries a complicated legacy. But 90 years ago, he christened Hamtramck Stadium in honor of the Negro Leagues.
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"Cobb himself was never asked about segregation until 1952, when the Texas League was integrating, and Sporting News asked him what he thought. “The Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly, and not grudgingly,” he said. “The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and whose [sic] to say he has not?” By that time he had attended many Negro league games, sometimes throwing out the first ball and often sitting in the dugout with the players. He is quoted as saying that Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he’d pay to see and that Roy Campanella was the ballplayer that reminded him most of himself."
Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong
Ty Cobb was one of the greatest baseball players of all time and king of the so-called Deadball Era. But for all that, most Americans think of him first as an awful person.
imprimis.hillsdale.edu
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Source?.. I need to see this... A good 20 yrs i believed the lie....
Just did some background research and it's possible you're right. I never heard that angle before.
Howard Bryant was cooking with fish grease with this one
Baseball has sent the message: Generations of Black men who were denied the opportunity to play against the world's best competition might have had to carry the devastating price of segregation with them to their graves, but the institution does not. Instead of accepting its history as a reminder of its past and its human cost, to remain as an institutional conscience, baseball took the easy way out. It decided to make itself feel better by rewriting the history books.
[…]
MLB's news release referred to the decision as "correcting an oversight." But the Negro Leagues were not the result of an "oversight," and to frame their exclusion as such is stunningly offensive. It was a deliberate system. The major leagues destroyed a half-century of Black baseball history, and baseball history in general, with one unrelenting purpose in mind: to do their part in reinforcing Black inferiority to the rest of the country.
[…]
The Negro Leagues did not play alongside the major leagues. They survived despite the major leagues. That intentional subjugation cannot be undone with a pen stroke. It cannot be forgotten that baseball spent a half-century undermining the credibility of the Negro Leagues.
[…]
The better remedy, of course, would have been to tell the truth. But America does not do the truth very well. A century from now, because of what baseball has done, the record books will show an equality, a form of separate-but-equal fiction that at first glance absolves MLB of its active hand in destroying the careers of Black baseball players -- and a Black institution. Historians will have to circumvent the now-public record to recover the truth.
[…]
it must also acknowledge that the tattered, unreliable statistical and historical record of the Negro Leagues was not the byproduct of Black baseball's poor business acumen. It was born from baseball's racism, and the effects of that racism cannot be retrofitted into the record books. Not knowing Slim Jones' full statistics is not his stain but baseball's. The reason the Negro Leagues are so steeped in legend is because no one knows precisely what happened.
[…]
The legend that Josh Gibson perhaps hit 800 home runs carries more power than what is left of the shredded, surviving statistical record because it gave these Black men their poetry. It gave them their dignity. The legend was more important than being anointed legitimate 100 years later by the very industry that excluded them. They became bigger than the numbers that were denied them. Legend has given them back what MLB took.
I mean, this move is definitely the epitome of "performative" that doesn't actually address the straight evil they did. Did any of us expect more from baseball?
It's still a fun day though. The legacy of these players will be better known by the next generation now that their stats are on the books.
Bleedin Gums Murphy
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I agree with you 100%.I mean, this move is definitely the epitome of "performative" that doesn't actually address the straight evil they did. Did any of us expect more from baseball?
It's still a fun day though. The legacy of these players will be better known by the next generation now that their stats are on the books.
It’s a great day, but something inside me knows this is still f’d up.
*Cue applause, and fade out to Good Times end credits*
Ain’t none of them motherfukkers alive to address the evil they did lolI mean, this move is definitely the epitome of "performative" that doesn't actually address the straight evil they did. Did any of us expect more from baseball?
It's still a fun day though. The legacy of these players will be better known by the next generation now that their stats are on the books.
This shyt is blowing my mind. Like if this is all real and not just random Cobb fans white-washing his legacy, I'm totally thrown off.
"So it is interesting to note that 90 years ago, on May 11, 1930, it was Cobb, two years after retiring as the game's greatest player, who took a train from Georgia to throw out the first pitch at Hamtramck Stadium, the new Negro League ballpark that served as the on-and-off home field of the Detroit Stars from 1930 to 1937 and the Detroit Wolves in 1932."
"And yet, other stories have been twisted over time, Leerhsen said, including tales of Cobb brandishing a gun and hitting a black butcher who insulted his wife and punching a black bellboy and black watchman at a Cleveland hotel. Leehrsen's research found the three men were white."
"In fact, he descended from a long line of abolitionists. As Charlie Leerhsen discovered, Ty’s great-grandfather was a minister who was run out of town for preaching against slavery. His grandfather refused to fight in the Confederate army because of slavery. His father was an educator and Georgia state senator who spoke up for his black constituents and whose political career was in part cut short for having broken up a lynch mob.”
90 years ago, Detroit Tigers legend Ty Cobb challenged myths of being maniacal racist
Detroit Tigers legend Ty Cobb carries a complicated legacy. But 90 years ago, he christened Hamtramck Stadium in honor of the Negro Leagues.
"Cobb himself was never asked about segregation until 1952, when the Texas League was integrating, and Sporting News asked him what he thought. “The Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly, and not grudgingly,” he said. “The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and whose [sic] to say he has not?” By that time he had attended many Negro league games, sometimes throwing out the first ball and often sitting in the dugout with the players. He is quoted as saying that Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he’d pay to see and that Roy Campanella was the ballplayer that reminded him most of himself."
Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong
Ty Cobb was one of the greatest baseball players of all time and king of the so-called Deadball Era. But for all that, most Americans think of him first as an awful person.
Wait what
Yeah, but baseball sees itself as continuous with its history. They have revered figures in the Hall of Fame who were among those responsible for ensuring that only white people could play ball in the MLB. If they had to admit that it was not just an innocent "mistake" or a "sign of the times", they would feel it deep down, the same as those Southerners who can't come to terms with how evil the actions of Confederates were.
It was a bs book written by a writer that admitted to making it up after
Just did some background research and it's possible you're right. I never heard that angle before.
The entire movie with Tommy Lee Jones was based on lies
Cobb was an a$$hole but he said this
Cobb himself was a vocal supporter of integration in baseball when asked about Jackie Robinson in 1952.
"The Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly, and not grudgingly," he said. "The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and whose [sic] to say he has not?"
He is quoted as saying that Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he’d pay to see and that Roy Campanella was the ballplayer that reminded him most of himself.
“shortly before his death, Cobb was so offended by the tone and the factual errors contained in the manuscript that he wrote a letter to Doubleday demanding that Stump be fired and the book rewritten from scratch. When that letter received no reply, he wrote another threatening to sue. Cobb died fighting the content of a book that bore his name.
But that book was nothing. With Cobb dead, Stump sold the story of the ballplayer's final days to a magazine called -- ironically enough, in this instance -- "True." The article painted Cobb, referred to as "Tyrus the Terrible," as a grumpy malcontent who drank whiskey like it was water, fired his pistol outside a motel window to scare passersby, bickered with people over money and, yes, bragged about killing a guy on the streets of Detroit.
"Stump sold this piece to them for $4,000, and in every way it was an exaggeration, to the point of fiction," Leerhsen said. "He said he spent months with Cobb, when, in reality, it was only a few days. Stump was a good writer in the sense that he understood it was all about telling stories, and the article is filled with anecdotes that read like heavy-handed 1950s B-movie scenarios."
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It makes a lot more sense when you remember how separate the American League and National League were. Realistically, you just now have 3 leagues and the negro league was left out of the World series. The stats belong.