NBA>>>>nfl today

[Gotright]

NBA did their thing today.They need to stop talking about Bron,KD,Curry retiring. They act like they’re dying or something. "This is last chance we ever see Bron on Christmas,let’s not take him for granted". Next year they need to get creative with Christmas matchups. Maybe Ant vs Wemby. Wemby vs KD. Wemby games gotta be on Primetime. Christmas Halftime performances aside if NFL starts flexing games into Christmas it will really hurt NBA. Imagine Cowboys -Eagles on Christmas. Chiefs will probably be on Christmas next year ,maybe Lamar. The NFL is gonna make Christmas their regular season Super Bowl.Christmas is on a Thursday next year. Thursday Night Football

He’ll be playing next Christmas. Trying to push my nikka out the league cause he said Xmas is nba day nikka you ain’t slick

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Quality of product is subjective. Ratings are a way to approximate it.

TV ratings don't approximate quality of a product.

Do you not realize that cable viewership in households has declined by nearly 40% since 2010? The vast majority of folks who still have cable are older generations (which make up more of the NFL's demographic), whereas Gen Z watch more of the NBA.

Why are you both telling me that "ratings don't mean a damn thing about quality", while also saying stuff like "everyone on the Coli agrees NBA was better"?

Because I'm illustrating that just because something has higher TV ratings doesn't mean it's better.

The NFL has ALWAYS had higher TV ratings than the NBA, yet that doesn't mean the product has always been better. It's ingrained in our society more than the NBA is. The NFL is seen as being a reflection of America. It's why the biggest obstacle to its viewership in recent times was the kneeling during the anthem because folks viewed it to be unAmerican. Not anything to do with the actual product.

White America will eat it up, no matter how good/bad the quality of play is.

 

[GoldenGlove]

We won

 

[DetroitEWarren]

The NFL is this country's favorite pastime.

They'll watch it no matter what.

Because the NBA has a much younger fanbase, they'll naturally choose to consume the product through streaming and not on cable. That doesn't mean more folks watch the NFL, automatically. Never mind the fact that the NBA is watched by infinitely more people across the globe.

And the NBA definitely has more streamers so hundreds of thousands or maybe a couple million people are watching thru illegal streams and IPTV sources.

The NFL shows 80% of their games on regular TV, the NBA probably shows only like 5% on regular TV. That shyt makes a huge difference in ability to watch.

 

[No1]

nikkas fanboying over leagues this shyt is weird lol.

The only thing I saw that I question is claiming the NBA is the most followed league in the world. Passively? Perhaps because if you watch basketball there’s nothing else really but I struggle to believe it’s more followed global than the British Premier League. But I’m open to being wrong.

Also, while the NFL is the national pastime- the idea that the NBA’s audience skews younger isn’t a strong point. If that’s been the case for 25 years - you’re saying that fans aren’t growing with the game. The age of the average NBA fan should be rising. (I don’t know if it is but if it isn’t - that’s not a positive sign. For comparison, the average gaming age keeps going up.) Second, football is the national pastime- period - for every single racial group in America. It’s not just some white guy thing and every argument you can make about streaming applies to football too. Damn near everyone who follows hockey or the NBA also watches football, it’s not true vice versa. The face of the NBA (Bron) - openly lets the world know Madden is his favorite game. And yet this cutting the cord argument doesn’t seem to affect football the way it does other sports (MLB and the NBA).

Ratings are not indicative of the NFL being better for that reason - however, national NFL games (sans the Thursday Night football games) have been better than the showcase NBA regular season games for years. And a big part of that is NBA players missing the showcase games.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

nikkas fanboying over leagues this shyt is weird lol.

Nothing to do with "fanboying".

Simply pointing out the hypocrisy and dumbass standards used to criticize the NBA product. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, but using shyt like 3s and TV ratings is disingenious noise.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When them ratings come out this thread (and Bron's clip) will be bumped mercilessly...

You gonna speak about the actual games that the NFL and NBA put on, or you just gonna recite this tired ass bullshyt about TV ratings?

 

[No1]

And the NBA definitely has more streamers so hundreds of thousands or maybe a couple million people are watching thru illegal streams and IPTV sources.

The NFL shows 80% of their games on regular TV, the NBA probably shows only like 5% on regular TV. That shyt makes a huge difference in ability to watch.

What are you basing this off of lol? I also don’t know why you guys are so invested in proving the NBA is more popular than it appears to be.

But let’s actually read what you just said. The NFL’s games being on “regular TV” is irrelevant because when ratings are compared - it’s national games - not some random game only available on league pass. The NFL’s games on ESPN dwarf any other sport’s games on cable. And its ratings on national networks is only semi-challenged by - you guessed it - college football. There is no barometer from which you can make any conclusion that “where” the games are broadcast makes any difference. For example, MLB is suffering similar ratings declines and its audience skews much older than the NBA. The argument for them has been not enough young people care. It cannot simultaneously be that young people cutting the chord are costing you ratings and that young chord cutting people returning to the game will increase your ratings. Pick one.

Also, the gap in viewership between the NBA and NFL is so large that it’s not even worth considering. Here’s the demographic data by the way.

 

[No1]

Nothing to do with "fanboying".

Simply pointing out the hypocrisy and dumbass standards used to criticize the NBA product. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, but using shyt like 3s and TV ratings is disingenious noise.

TV ratings matter because it matters to the NBA and its partners and will effect how they approach marketing the game and the rules of the game itself. The NBA is selling out more games than ever but I doubt NBC gives a shyt about that. That’s not what Amazon paid for. We know changes will happen because they did this in the 2000s. Personally? I thought college football and the premier league washed the NFL last year but that’s me.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

TV ratings matter because it matters to the NBA and its partners and will effect how they approach marketing the game and the rules of the game itself. The NBA is selling out more games than ever but I doubt NBC gives a shyt about that. That’s not what Amazon paid for. We know changes will happen because they did this in the 2000s. Personally? I thought college football and the premier league washed the NFL last year but that’s me.

"But cable television viewership is down double digits so far this year versus last year," Silver said. We're almost at the inflection point where people are watching more programming on streaming than they are in traditional television. And it's a reason why for our new television deals, which we're entering into next year, every game is going to be available on a streaming service."

TV ratings don't matter like y'all are making them out to be.

 

[No1]

"But cable television viewership is down double digits so far this year versus last year," Silver said. We're almost at the inflection point where people are watching more programming on streaming than they are in traditional television. And it's a reason why for our new television deals, which we're entering into next year, every game is going to be available on a streaming service."

TV ratings don't matter like y'all are making them out to be.

You’re approaching from the perspective of advocating for the NBA versus just being objective. Nothing right there contradicts anything that I said lmao. Silver is an OG lawyer and can spin shyt as we do but you cannot compare the viewership of live sports to the numbers of regular TV shows. Most people still prefer to watch live sports on their big TV on network or cable television as it is happening. The only relevant streaming numbers for live sports would be the amount of people watching the game of the streaming apps or Hulu Live, YouTubeTv, fubo or apps from or tied to their cable provider. For example, I don’t know how my Hulu Live viewership is counted.

So yes, streaming matters but what matters is “eyeballs” and NBC isn’t broadcasting NBA games after Sunday Night football for no reason. If you actually think that NBC and ABC are paying what they pay, and TNT was frantic to sue to get a piece of the pie for reasons unrelated to television viewership then I don’t know what to tell you. RATINGS matter period - and TV ratings matter for NETWORK TV.

Streams are compared to other streams. Cable is compared to other cable and network TV is compared to network TV.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You’re approaching from the perspective of advocating for the NBA versus just being objective.

You wouldn't know what objective is if it slapped you upside the head.

So yes, streaming matters but what matters is “eyeballs” and NBC isn’t broadcasting NBA games after Sunday Night football for no reason. If you actually think that NBC and ABC are paying what they pay, and TNT was frantic to sue to get a piece of the pie for reasons unrelated to television viewership then I don’t know what to tell you. RATINGS matter period - and TV ratings matter for NETWORK TV.

Nobody is saying TV ratings don't matter, at all.

This is reflective of the new MR deal that has made an inclusion of at least 75-regular season games to be on broadcast TV, starting from next season (a lofty increase from the 15 min. under the current agreement).

But they've been painted as being the be-all and end-all, when that's simply not the case. They've been used as reflection of how "bad" folks believe the product has become, when that's simply not the case. Nearly every single medium has had declines in TV ratings because cable has one foot in the grave. This isn't something that is isolated to the NBA.

The TV "eyeballs" aren't the main ones that matter, let alone the only ones.

Why do you think every game from next season will be available on their streaming services if TV ratings really mattered like that?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

What are you basing this off of lol? I also don’t know why you guys are so invested in proving the NBA is more popular than it appears to be.

But let’s actually read what you just said. The NFL’s games being on “regular TV” is irrelevant because when ratings are compared - it’s national games - not some random game only available on league pass. The NFL’s games on ESPN dwarf any other sport’s games on cable. And its ratings on national networks is only semi-challenged by - you guessed it - college football. There is no barometer from which you can make any conclusion that “where” the games are broadcast makes any difference. For example, MLB is suffering similar ratings declines and its audience skews much older than the NBA. The argument for them has been not enough young people care. It cannot simultaneously be that young people cutting the chord are costing you ratings and that young chord cutting people returning to the game will increase your ratings. Pick one.

Also, the gap in viewership between the NBA and NFL is so large that it’s not even worth considering. Here’s the demographic data by the way.

The NBA is DEFINITELY more popular than talking heads make it seem. It's just much more people stream the games of their favorite players/teams while most NFL games are on regular TV networks. The most entertaining teams will be on a regular TV network every week. In the NBA that's not really the case. Especially when it comes to entertaining players on bad teams in unpopular cities.

I feel like if Dame Lillard started his career on the Knicks or Heat, he'd have more credit in the best PG's in the NBA conversation. Lillard has always been fun to watch and he consistently made the playoffs with bad teams, but playing for Portland, a casual fan would be unaware of this


Golden State becoming a dynasty was HUGE for the NBA. It's a popular city who were able to get a historically good player who was fun to watch. If Steph was drafted by the Pelicans no matter how great he was, it wouldn't carry the media buzz that playing for GS has.

Id never say the NBA is more popular than the NFL. However, the NBA is much more popular that you would think by watching sports debates. The NBA is more talked about in everyday life also. Bron vs Curry is a bigger conversation than Brady vs Rodgers no matter the environment.

 

[broller]

The NBA is DEFINITELY more popular than talking heads make it seem. It's just much more people stream the games of their favorite players/teams while most NFL games are on regular TV networks. The most entertaining teams will be on a regular TV network every week. In the NBA that's not really the case. Especially when it comes to entertaining players on bad teams in unpopular cities.

I feel like if Dame Lillard started his career on the Knicks or Heat, he'd have more credit in the best PG's in the NBA conversation. Lillard has always been fun to watch and he consistently made the playoffs with bad teams, but playing for Portland, a casual fan would be unaware of this


Golden State becoming a dynasty was HUGE for the NBA. It's a popular city who were able to get a historically good player who was fun to watch. If Steph was drafted by the Pelicans no matter how great he was, it wouldn't carry the media buzz that playing for GS has.

Id never say the NBA is more popular than the NFL. However, the NBA is much more popular that you would think by watching sports debates. The NBA is more talked about in everyday life also. Bron vs Curry is a bigger conversation than Brady vs Rodgers no matter the environment.

I think that's part of it. The NBA is talked about more, the NFL is watched more. But ultimately, who cares? In music, people listen to the song they like. They don't care about who else is listening.

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

I think that's part of it. The NBA is talked about more, the NFL is watched more. But ultimately, who cares? In music, people listen to the song they like. They don't care about who else is listening.

That is why I'm bringing it up. Because people shouldn't care about ratings if they are enjoying what they are watching but a lot of folks were using "i don't watch basketball because "whatever reason" i watch football now so football is way better than basketball and here are the ratings to prove it."

Just felt like most of this year has been people bragging about how much they hate the NBA product and how everyone MUST agree because ratings and the 3 people they talk to about sports don't watch the NBA anymore. At no point should fans with a remote or multiple streaming services should care about ratings because like you said, you'd hope people are doing/watching things they enjoy regardless of what other people are doing