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Who say this lol

We clearly see players are more lean than ever
Oh you havent seen the Coli myth that players now are bigger, stronger faster than ever. And they get injured more because they train a day like goku on his way to namek
 

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Come on breh. I'm not hating on them, I love both players. But let's not act like their backs aren't straight at all times. These guys could do sit-ups and their backs wouldn't bend.

What's even the definition of a stiff if these guys don't qualify? :dwillhuh:


A stiff is a guy who is neither athletic nor skilled. It doesn't mean your back is literally stiff :laff:


Duncan and Horford were both mobile and skilled. No one would refer to them as stiffs breh, come on now.
 
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Someone really has to explain this to me.


Do you think Oregon has the same amount of top-level bball size and talent as California?

Do you think Maine has the same amount of top-level bball size and talent as New York?

Do you think Arkansas has the same amount of top-level bball size and talent as Texas?

Do you think West Virginia has the same amount of top-level bball size and talent as Florida?


Then why the hell would a few mostly White Americans in a fringe sport in the 1950s have the same amount of top-level bball size and talent as a globally popular sport with a massive fanbase in the 2010s?



Basketball went from a young sport to an established sport, went from a fringe sport to one of the most popular sports, went from a local American sport to a global sport, and went from a racist white-dominated sport to a sport open to any race. As a result of those four moves (plus the world population tripling), the talent pool increased MASSIVELY. You have 20x as many kids training to play bball now as you did back then. 20x as big a talent pool means you get much better top-end talent.

It's not hard to understand. Expecting the same size and talent in 1960 as we have now would be like expecting Sioux Falls, South Dakota to produce as much size and talent as Chicago.

MLB used to have a large African American pool of players in the past. Not so much now. Have black people become worse at playing baseball or do they not care for it anymore?

Stop ignoring my last post. If white Americans are genetically inferior at a sport like basketball, do you also hold that black people are intellectually inferior since all aptitude tests like IQ say so?
 
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Yes, tell me about the athletic prowess of todays NBA . You can literally make a :flabbynsick: all star roster with all the people you guys complain about.
Harden, Flying Buffalo Zion, Doncac, There was that classic thread of cats goin in on Jokic for how out of shape and he was :mjlol:

Chet Holmgren (since were just going off appaerances apparently) looks like fukkin slenderman, but he's supposed to be a top 5 pick this year.

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I'm not into the era bashing shyt, but its easy to manipulate perception to prove whatever point you want :manny:

This has nothing to do with basketball. Racist cacs just like pushing these arguments cause it means to them then the reverse is true. That they are intellectually superior and deserve to rule the world.

The fact Europeans like Jokic and Doncic are able to dominate right now without being freak athletes is proof you don't need to be super athletic to be good at basketball in any era. Basketball is about height first and foremost then your skill level. Freakish athleticism is just the separator that creates the difference between a Hakeem Olajuwon and Tim Duncan.
 

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A stiff is a guy who is neither athletic nor skilled. It doesn't mean your back is literally stiff :laff:


Duncan and Horford were both mobile and skilled. No one would refer to them as stiffs breh, come on now.
Even cats like Za Za & Bogut were freaks compared to some of those slow footed 7 footers from the 80s & 90s lol
 

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A stiff is a guy who is neither athletic nor skilled. It doesn't mean your back is literally stiff :laff:


Duncan and Horford were both mobile and skilled. No one would refer to them as stiffs breh, come on now.
Where did you get that idea from?

It means you're relatively unathletic and you move in a wooden way, as if your back is a plank with limbs that look awkward when you move around. It doesn't mean it can't be effective. Duncan's footwork is technically sound of course but that's his basketball IQ, not athletic ability.

Come on now, this is basic. :wtf:
 

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It's all ebbs and flows like someone said

IMO it all comes down to how players are recruited, developed and trained based on the demands of the game...the talent is pretty much the same

30 years ago seems like it was the thing to have was a "big"...so everyone went looking for the next one...if you were 7ft plus, and had some degree of dominance you were recruited, developed and trained to play like one

20 years ago..."athelticism" iso, self-shot creators became the fad...TMAC, Kobe, Iverson, VC, Ray Allen, KG etc...samething, recruited, developed and trained

then at some point it seems like that evolved into the 6'10 point/Forward who could hit perimeter shots...then eventually the PG/SG hybrid who could chuck 3s became the must have for all teams...so you get guys like Steph, Harden, Dame, Book, etc

Again, it seems like if you have that specific talent that they're looking for in that given generation...they recruit, develop and train you...it's not that they don't look for other things too...but it seems like the the pick n roll perimeter shooting gets everyone's attention first
 

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Where did you get that idea from?

It means you're relatively unathletic and you move in a wooden way, as if your back is a plank with limbs that look awkward when you move around. It doesn't mean it can't be effective. Duncan's footwork is technically sound of course but that's his basketball IQ, not athletic ability.

Come on now, this is basic. :wtf:


I wonder if you're confusing the adjective "stiff" with the noun "stiff".

When you call a basketball player "a stiff" as a noun, you're speaking derogatorily, you're talking about a guy who has neither the athleticism nor the skill to excel in the NBA. You are NOT talking about Tim Duncan. Your definition of the term would make no fukking sense in these contexts:


"Naysayers would argue that Thabeet is a stiff -- partly because he's been a total stiff, and partly because he's been a total stiff. "

"Jerome wants to play, but can’t because he’s a stiff."

"He's a stiff anyway. Just not an NBA player."

"He clearly is a big man, No. 1, and No. 2, he has a game. It's not like he's a stiff and he can't play. He's posted up numbers that are impressive at USC and have gotten better and better every year."

"Is Mason Plumlee a legitimate prospect, or is he a stiff? We examine the Duke big man."

"Then it goes back to O’Bryant: Is he a stiff or not? We don’t know. But we know we can’t judge it by the way Nelson treated him last season."

"Most will remember Mullens as the Ohio State product that just never seemed to figure it out in Oklahoma City. He was shipped to Charlotte in a deal that brought Nazr Mohammed to the Thunder and, frankly, Barry is right on the money in his assessment: Mullens is a stiff."

"You can tell me all the rebounding titles or the all star appearances and whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, Andre Drummond is a stiff."

"I’d dispute the “couple of good months” assessment of Markkanen. Yes, LaVine is clearly the more elite offensive player, and Markkanen regressed last season. But it’s not like the dude is a stiff."

"A true Stiff is a man who played at least two seasons in the NBA (with one exception here), is very big (hopefully over seven feet), very slow (and hopefully gangly and awkward), and must have averaged less than 4 points and less than 5 rebounds per game for their careers."

The Big White Stiff photo thread


"Transfer Jordan Railey was supposed to give you an inside presence. He doesn't look like he's playing much. Is he a stiff, or still rounding into form after being suspended?" "Stiff. I hate to be that callous, but all you have to do is look at a comparison of his stats at Iowa State and his stats now to see that he's really pretty much the same guy. He's playing more minutes, so the counting stats look better, but the rate-based stats reveal that it's just more of the same. He doesn't move well defensively and has very little in the way of an offensive game."




How does your definition work in any of those contexts? When they're calling someone a stiff they're talking about their effectiveness as a player, they ain't talking about how straight their back is lol.
 
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talking about that nikka ticket

he was like a more skilled giannis

or like a less skilled cupcakd

like the midpoint between the two or something

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who? name names? These takes are outrageous
Mark Eaton dpoy of the year Mark Eaton
Oliver Millier
George Muresan
Shawn Bradley
Etc….

It’s one thing if they were on a roster. These dudes were starting.

And don’t get me started on them white boys from the 80s

All u have to do is watch older videos
 
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