Native American goes HAM on illegal immigration protesters

[newarkhiphop]

 

[theworldismine13]

Why not? Of course everyone came from the bottom but know 300 years! Everyone else has come and gotten farther Italians, Asian, (White) Cubans,etc. Only the Irish haven't because they got assimilated into the Anglo Saxon sphere/power structure. I guarantee you we won't do amnesty again, this will be the last time, because the Mexicans are forming power structures already. We won't be talking about this 15 years because they will have moved on and blacks will still be in the same place. Complacency does nothing. We already tried this, it doesn't work.

what complacency are you talking about? what is it that we have tried already, you are going of topic

it wouldnt make sense to give up those jobs because that is the current level where people are at, you cant wish your way to an education or a high paying job

the problem with illegal immigration is that it it depresses wages for people at the bottom, the problem with illegal immigration specifically from south america and mexico is the lack of integration and trying to turn the us into a bilingual country, neither of those things are good for black people

and there is no logical reason to think this would be the last amnesty

 

[newarkhiphop]

I'm going to say this the next time I hear another Mexican come talking that bullshyt about how they are native to the USA.

and your going to sound just as dumb as him.

 

[the next guy]

what complacency are you talking about? what is it that we have tried already, you are going of topic

it wouldnt make sense to give up those jobs because that is the current level where people are at, you cant wish your way to an education or a high paying job

the problem with illegal immigration is that it it depresses wages for people at the bottom, the problem with illegal immigration specifically from south america and mexico is the lack of integration and trying to turn the us into a bilingual country, neither of those things are good for black people

and there is no logical reason to think this would be the last amnesty

Building from the bottom. I accuse of complacency because you think we need to preserve these low paying jobs for blacks. We don't. We need to move forward now. And you get paid more for bilingualism at the workplace. That's a good thing, because there are latinos born here. You don't think mexicans will assimilate, the cubans did didn't they? Or what are your standards for assimilation

 

[theworldismine13]

Building from the bottom. I accuse of complacency because you think we need to preserve these low paying jobs for blacks. We don't. We need to move forward now. And you get paid more for bilingualism at the workplace. That's a good thing, because there are latinos born here. You don't think mexicans will assimilate, the cubans did didn't they? Or what are your standards for assimilation

what exactly does perserve mean? what i said is that illegal immigration hurts people at the bottom and you said you dont care about that, what kind of economic plan do you have that says people with no hs diploma will magically start going to school and working at high paying jobs without going through low paying jobs? it doesnt work that way, low wage jobs are the entry point into higher paying jobs, that is why they are important

if people start at the bottom then that is where they start, but low paying jobs are important especially when people have no jobs at all

how does getting paid more for bilingualism help black people? assimilation means not having to press 2 for spanish

I wouldnt listen to what you have to say, you already lost me at the "i dont give a fuk about those nikkas" comment, i already know whatever ideas you have in your head isnt gonna work, which "nikkas" is it that you give a fuk about?

 

[theworldismine13]

and your going to sound just as dumb as him.

im just stating facts

 

[the next guy]

what exactly does perserve mean? what i said is that illegal immigration hurts people at the bottom and you said you dont care about that, what kind of economic plan do you have that says people with no hs diploma will magically start going to school and working at high paying jobs without going through low paying jobs? it doesnt work that way, low wage jobs are the entry point into higher paying jobs, that is why they are important

if people start at the bottom then that is where they start, but low paying jobs are important especially when people have no jobs at all

how does getting paid more for bilingualism help black people? assimilation means not having to press 2 for spanish

Look at the bolded. Why don't they have that? Their diploma/GED? Is that a "reality" for any ethnic group? Focus on the education. Forget that. You don't have plan, you have a band aid.

If you a black and billingual (a) you are more likely to get hired (b) you bring more money into the community and thus the your family

 

[theworldismine13]

Look at the bolded. Why don't they have that? Their diploma/GED? Is that a "reality" for any ethnic group? Focus on the education. Forget that. You don't have plan, you have a band aid.

there isnt a contradiction between low wage jobs and education, i dont know where you get that from

of course black people should focus on education but how does that contradict the fact that illegal immigration causes wage depression and displaces low wage workers?

how does you not giving a fuk about low wage workers contradict the fact the illegal immigration hurts low wage workers?

you have to start where you start, if you have no HS degree you cannot just jump to a college degree and a high paying job, low wage jobs are the foundation of higher paying jobs

and its not just adults, when grown people take low wage jobs it also hurts teenagers and young workers

If you a black and billingual (a) you are more likely to get hired (b) you bring more money into the community and thus the your family

the point is what if you are black and not bilingual, how would that help black people?

the only thing you are showing is the elitism of pro illegal immigration people and their disdain for american low wage workers

 

[itsyoung!!]

I was supposed to be adopted by a reserveration wish I knew more about my past

 

[newarkhiphop]

im just stating facts

nothing of what you stated was facts

30-40% of the Mexican population is of indigenous (native american) blood that means no European blood what so ever , that's more than just the "some" you said. Even the rest of which are mestizo ( European/indigenous) they have 60% + indigenous blood in them, you wont find anything near those numbers in in "Americans" , and please do tell beside the native Americans we are talking about in this thread which Americans are native to the U.S, and FEW (5% or less) of the Mexican population is of "white" blood and

but yea Ill let you continue with your

 

[the next guy]

there isnt a contradiction between low wage jobs and education, i dont know where you get that from

of course black people should focus on education but how does that contradict the fact that illegal immigration causes wage depression and displaces low wage workers?

how does you not giving a fuk about low wage workers contradict the fact the illegal immigration hurts low wage workers?

you have to start where you start, if you have no HS degree you cannot just jump to a college degree and a high paying job, low wage jobs are the Of foundation of higher paying jobs

and its not just adults, when grown people take low wage jobs it also hurts teenagers and young workers

Look at this. This is typical of you and your debate skills. I'm right and every else is wrong. Your shifting the goal posts. Where did I deny that it suppresses the wages. Point it out. Why do you think the business owners want them in the first place. I'm saying why is it you expect black people to be picking crops, because this is what it comes down to. This should not be reality in 2013.

the point is what if you are black and not bilingual, how would that help black people?

the only thing you are showing is the elitism of pro illegal immigration people and their disdain for American low wage workers

You said what is the point of being billingual. Ether bring A game and stick to your argument or don't come at all. And what the hell is wrong with learning another language? Even if the was no illegals there is a large Latino population, that was born here.

 

[Rice N Beans]

its not accurate to describe mexicans as native americans

 

[theworldismine13]

Look at this. This is typical of you and your debate skills. I'm right and every else is wrong. Your shifting the goal posts. Where did I deny that it suppresses the wages. Point it out. Why do you think the business owners want them in the first place. I'm saying why is it you expect black people to be picking crops, because this is what it comes down to. This should not be reality in 2013.

im not shifting goal posts at all, i said illegal immigration was bad because it depressed wages and you said you dont give a fuk

if you dont give a fuk that it hurts low wage workers and displaces them then dont, i dont really know what to tell you

i wasnt talking about picking up crops, i was talking about construction, manufacturing and other low wage jobs

of course it shouldn't be reality, but it is, you have to work with reality, not with how you dream things should be

You said what is the point of being billingual. Ether bring A game and stick to your argument or don't come at all. And what the hell is wrong with learning another language? Even if the was no illegals there is a large Latino population, that was born here.

i think you misunderstood my point, my point is that the rise of bilingualism is a sign of the lack of assimilation

and i asked the question, how does it help black people if they go into a job and they demand bilingualism

there is nothing wrong with learning another language, there is something wrong if you need to learn another language to get a job in your own country

and the large latino population is here because of illegal immigration

so in essence you are demanding that black people accept a large of influx of people into the country illegally and allow those people to displace workers and depress wages and also that black people have to learn their language to get a job?

that certainly shows that you dont give a fuk, but it doesnt show you have a plan that black people should follow, any population with low education has to start at the bottom, there is no logical reason to think black people with low education can start anywhere but the bottom, even if you go to school, you will still need a low wage job to pay for your school

you have a misunderstanding of what low wage jobs represent, low wage jobs are the entrance to higher paying jobs and to education, and even with education you still need low wage jobs when you are at school and right after you get out of school

 

[beejus]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLUrW_4ZMs"]Dave Chappelle - Native Americans - YouTube[/ame]

 

[theworldismine13]

nothing of what you stated was facts

30-40% of the Mexican population is of indigenous (native american) blood that means no European blood what so ever , that's more than just the "some" you said. Even the rest of which are mestizo ( European/indigenous) they have 60% + indigenous blood in them, you wont find anything near those numbers in in "Americans" , and please do tell beside the native Americans we are talking about in this thread which Americans are native to the U.S, and FEW (5% or less) of the Mexican population is of "white" blood and

but yea Ill let you continue with your

first of all what is the map suppose to prove?

second of all, nothing you said disproves what i said, if 30-40 percent of mexicans are indigenous, how would that disprove my statement? what exactly is your definition of "some", maybe we have different definitions of that word

third of all your facts are just point blank wrong

Demographics of Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to official statistics —as reported by the National Commission for the Development of Indigenous Peoples or CDI— Amerindians make up 10-14%

In 2004, the Mexican government founded the National Institute of Genomic Medicine (INMEGEN) which launched the Mexican Genome Diversity Project. In May 2009, the Institute issued a report on a major genomic study of 300 mestizos in the Mexican population. Among the findings it was reported that over 80% of the population is mestizo and that the proportions of European and indigenous ancestry are approximately even

only about 10 percent are pure indigenous, and there are as many white people as there are indigenous

fourth of all i think i explained what i was getting at in this post
http://www.the-coli.com/3152632-post72.html

which is that there is nothing special about mexico compared to the us except the ratios of the racial mixture are different

and my other point is that the notion that one drop of indian blood makes you not white is a european construct that any person is free to use or discard as he or she sees fit, so the notion that the so called mestizo population is not white or not european is a european construct that i dont think black people should use

mestizo is another construct of colonial spain, if the same construct was applied in the us a lot of white people in the us would be mestizo, including the lady that was screaming out "im half cherokee" in the video

so i think we need to be careful in just accepting constructs made by europeans

in this quote is basically saying the whole concept of a mexican race is bullshyt and only exists in people's head

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Mexico#Population_genetics

The genetics and genomics underlying the putative "Mexican genome" is suspect. Novel and interesting articles on this topic can be found in a recent volume edited by Carlos López-Beltrán of the National Autonomous University of Mexico [88]. Carlos Galindo's paper in the volume (pp. 209-236) shows how censuses build racial categories. Such categories often cross-cut across countries. There is no scientific reason simpliciter why that should be the case. Moreover, if such categories, narrowly defined, are subsequently used to determine who should be sampled for genomic studies (potentially even by choosing to ask certain people rather than others based primarily on visual phenotypic appearance), there will be a kind of "looping effect" (Ian Hacking) in the genomic results. One will get out (racial groups) what one put in (racial groups), a point Winther makes (pp. 250-254). Fabrizzio Guerrero McManus' piece describes how the INMEGEN project is more about a "symbolic space" (p. 192) than a scientific project per se. López Beltrán and Vergara Silva's contribution discusses "genomic sovereignty" and ties the INMEGEN to (normative) nation building and identity. This collection by a variety of humanists points to weaknesses and confusions in the INMEGEN's potentially (reverse) imperialist project of defining a "Mexican type" (José Vasconcelos' "la raza cósmica"?), to which all Mexicans must, do, and will adhere.

as far as i am concerned the so called mexican race of mestizos are descendants of spaniards that got kicked out the american southwest and indians that never occupied the southwest in the first place, i reject the idea that they have any claim to the southwest