Name an album you consider a classic that some don’t

[Art Barr]

I think this is considered a universal classic by real hip hop people tho..

I can see how it could be divisive. As this is the epitome of covert emcee'n.

Album is really only for pillar culture based people. A rego civilian with no pillar.
Or cultural connection to hiphop culture
Would be completely lost.

I was gonna post this one as a prime example. Of a classic culture based piece. Where the commercialization digital era fan would have complete disconnect to.



Art Barr

 

[FreshAIG]

Cam'ron SDE

 

[Art Barr]

The first cypress hill album

Imo....
The album is a perfect classic. That was never given its proper due.

yet i understand why it could be overlooked. While arguably being the best gangta rap debut group album ever.
The run of vinyl is clearly the goat album run for the era. As the twelve inch releases and playlist of remixes on the vinyl. At one point pushed gangsta rap as viable in the culture of hiphop. Past just priority meets jerry heller based semantics.
from the mantra of ruthless records runs the world.
Where b real had a moment in the sun as the best rapper alive easy. From how to just kill a man.
to the judgment night soundtrack.


Now granted cypress souled't out to viacom. Yet appeal to cultural senses afterward. Via b real greenleaf era. To save face. Yet that first album before viacom, billboard and mtv. Decided to make cypress first in a number of things culturally for the time.
We could only wish an artist had a run as good. That any artist who followed the remix model back then. like:


Common sense
Public enemy
Redman
Jeru
Artifacts
Busta rhymes

Even artist og other genres followed suit. Like bjork.

all benefitted from the power of rhis album and rhe remixes on the vinyl.

album is a throwback. When vinyl was being first seen as phased out. Or obsolete.


Highly recommended.















[Debut of son doobie to the mainstream. Where son doobie caught wreck. On k solo knick knqck levrl vibes. Then followed it up.
with the best limited edition colored cut out debut vinyl purchase of the era.
in the debut to funkdoobiest, tha funkiest.

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The goat run of vinyl singles in rap history. Where you were rewarded for every disappointing trip to numerous record store. Looking for the vinyl for cheap. Yet all cypress hill vinyl was premium and i never seen a cut out ever in my life ever. Plus i never seen the vinyl priced below 5.99 for the era.
Never seen one pre opened or used ever in a bin.

The vinyl rap single gems of rap all were on this album. Meaning everything was rewarded. If you got this vinyl.
Best consumer reward product run in rap history.

Cypress hill is the artist. That made me recognize.
why the luxury premium priced big budget mom and pop vinyl store was needed. Or used to be in the marketplace.
Yet never catch hell.
From the vinyl community.
from its high priced ticket items and pricing structure.

Cypress hill was probably the first thing i bought. Where i did not get a deal on price.
plus the first time.
i was just purely elated.
to spend top dollar Premium vinyl priced dollar for.
Not once, but on three separate occassions.
When i used to hate paying premium sticker price for vinyl.
With this cypress hill vinyl.

i was like just take my money.

It was the first time. I can remember being like take all my money. After the jordan two's.
got me used to paying premium prices.
from a major retail outlet.

Especially on vinyl of all things.


Art Barr

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Literally got 5 Mics

 

[InstantKlassik]

Snoop’s 2nd classic and my favorite from him. He was talking that shyt lol. Still sounds fresh today.

 

[Solomon Lurke]

Mood - Doom

Cannibal Ox - Cold Vein

Key! - 777

Kenna - Make Sure They See My Face (rock not hip hop but amazing overlooked album co-produced by Chad Hugo)

 

[KingSol81]

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Do you mean record meant for radio commercial release.

I mean album cut as in not a single, not really that it couldn't be a single, because at that time any 50 cut could be a single really

o As bmore love thing is a single style record. Not an album deep cut.

I dont totally disagree with you but its certainly not a conventional single style record, at least by the standards I grew up seeing

it fits into the same type ofi need love meets i used to love her meets shakiyla type offering. That were used as singles model offerings.

by ll to common to po righteous teachers.
Of being a content rich play on the commercial permeation of the rap girl record but maybe with a spin.

I think the glaring difference here is the girl metaphor is being used in relation to heroin and not something more benign like hip hop via Common, so to me that in and of itself makes it a less commercially viable record radio wise in the minds of label overseers in that era

via content or direction.
Bmore love thing is a commercial style record given who fiddy is.

I kinda disagree, I think if anything that record is him flexing his creative pen game for himself vs using his other pen, the catchy hit maker pen, which he predominantly picked up to appease the skeletons like Jimmy Iovine who controlled the music market at that time

That wpuld possivky be passed over. If fiddy was not fiddy.

Same point as before really, 50 could made anything a single during that era, cause 50 had the attention of the streets, the clubs and most important to the skeletons - the young suburbanites who will grow out of their rap puppy love within a 3 year span

If an artist like common makes this recird for release. It never charts well like retrospect for life or is divisive commercially for thr artist.

You of all ppl should know how it goes on the charts, they aren't there to track talent or creativity, it's why a group like Desd Prez can have a smash like Hip Hop become a smash and be embraced by an audience that doesn't really understand what they're saying on Hip Hop, buys the album and then clutches their pearls hearing They Schools and is then turned off by Desd Prez as they're attacking the worldview that keeps that same "fan" feeling warm and insulated from reality

Yet if an mtv viacom darling artist like jay or fiddy make this record. It will be put on a playlist like lost ones. To draw comparison.


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Art Barr

ATEOTD I just think Baltinore was a dope concept record (for the level 50 decided to operate at once joining the machine) with a smooth 70s esque beat that was better than any of the non singles from GRODT, could it have been a single, sure I guess, but it wasn't. I also consciously called it an album cut and not a deep cut, so I'm not totally ignorant of its polish.

 

[KingSol81]

Props.
Case in point a creatine mention.


Art Barr

It's a shame the label gave up on him so early, which I found confusing at the time since he had 2 videos in regular rotation.

 

[Art Barr]

I mean album cut as in not a single, not really that it couldn't be a single, because at that time any 50 cut could be a single really

I dont totally disagree with you but its certainly not a conventional single style record, at least by the standards I grew up seeing

I think the glaring difference here is the girl metaphor is being used in relation to heroin and not something more benign like hip hop via Common, so to me that in and of itself makes it a less commercially viable record radio wise in the minds of label overseers in that era

I kinda disagree, I think if anything that record is him flexing his creative pen game for himself vs using his other pen, the catchy hit maker pen, which he predominantly picked up to appease the skeletons like Jimmy Iovine who controlled the music market at that time

Same point as before really, 50 could made anything a single during that era, cause 50 had the attention of the streets, the clubs and most important to the skeletons - the young suburbanites who will grow out of their rap puppy love within a 3 year span

You of all ppl should know how it goes on the charts, they aren't there to track talent or creativity, it's why a group like Desd Prez can have a smash like Hip Hop become a smash and be embraced by an audience that doesn't really understand what they're saying on Hip Hop, buys the album and then clutches their pearls hearing They Schools and is then turned off by Desd Prez as they're attacking the worldview that keeps that same "fan" feeling warm and insulated from reality

ATEOTD I just think Baltinore was a dope concept record (for the level 50 decided to operate at once joining the machine) with a smooth 70s esque beat that was better than any of the non singles from GRODT, could it have been a single, sure I guess, but it wasn't. I also consciously called it an album cut and not a deep cut, so I'm not totally ignorant of its polish.

Good discusssion.

As fiddy is a interesting artist to talk about in that era. Especially for direction.

I still feel. If fiddy did not mess with.
the from after math formula.
Of leading with the flagship dre single. In this case the original outta control. I don't see any artist catching up to fiddy.
in return in the marketplace moving forwarf.

Not having outta control as the Lead single fukked fiddy up. To the point. A lot of songs on the massacre have a lot of auxilliary indepth discussions. Plus it gives g unit radio more legs. As the lead singles being on g unit radio. Changed the fan perception of g unit radio as a supplement. When fiddy made disco inferno and the olivia record the launch singles. It took away from g-uniit radio. As well as the lead dre single impact. on fiddy career long term.

As moving to an rnb collab based lead single. Plus a bet uncut style lead single in disco inferno. Made the fan perception of an afyermath artist too accessible. When the viacom darling artist on interscope. Was never accessible without that aire of mystery. By making the lead singles on massacre bet unct and rnb collab singles. It took away the mystique of fiddy as a lead solo draw. Plus said the lead flagship aftermath street artist. Is only a pigeon holed rnb collab meets bet uncut artist.
When again fiddy was a flagship mtv viacom darling level. Not viacom buys out bet..
Then makes a mockery.
of bet entirely with bet uncut.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It's a shame the label gave up on him so early, which I found confusing at the time since he had 2 videos in regular rotation.

Someone has to be a gateway.
Cool breeze was not that talented bar to bar.
Yet necessary to terraform the market place to eventually be viable. To where the southern marketplace would be looked at. As the flagship locale for black music.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Snoop’s 2nd classic and my favorite from him. He was talking that shyt lol. Still sounds fresh today.

It loses focus.

Then rebounds with battle cst level magnum opus.

This and doggy all stars are so right on the cusp of being classics. Yet i csn see them labeled as personal classics before a general consensus.

Probably the best run of material from snoop in this era.

Till snoop lost it all and went and souled't out.
past the point of no return to maga.

 

[Art Barr]

Roots of Evil - Kool G Rap

Props


Best purchase that quarter easy




Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

...this tape is under-rated. .

Never heard this.


Art Barr

 

[QU Hectic]

Literally got 5 Mics

But is it truly acknowledged ?

 

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The Divine Feminine- Mac Miller