My recent encounters with MLM pyramid scams: WAKEUPNOW, VISALUS, 5LINX and LIMU

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:skip: thats fitting because apples are the filthiest produce sold.

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Summary | EWG's 2013 Shopper's Guide to Pesticides in Produce™

real rap that graph doesn't mean shyt, and it especially doesn't mean the produce is dirty

I mean why wouldn't the 5/6 most in demand crops be exposed to the most pesticide?
 

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what they should say is that pyramid schemes are illegal....and that primerica isnt a pyramid scheme...i posted a link describing what a pyramid scheme is above...

im sure most didnt bother to read it tho
Because we aren't dumb fukks like you, we know a pyramid scheme when we see one, go ask yourself why Herbalife is being probed by the Feds but normal businesses like Walmart Progressive Nike aren't....dont worry, I'll wait :bayer:
 

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The fukking craziness of this shyt is just today (saturday) i went to a world ventures presentation. The two speakers kept looking and talking to me cuz they knew i wasnt buying the shyt. So my friend is a rep for them. Another selling prepaid legal. Been doing that for some years. Another selling primerica, been doing that for some years. Every now and then I ask how it's going, "its ok". neither has made noticeable money yet. Another hasn't been licensed so she can't do shyt. Im just waiting for them to make money then I'll take them serious :manny:

But one hilarious thing about these mlm shyts is the presenters try to talk down on you when you mention the pyramid scheme shyt, thinking you don't really know what the shyt is. Or like pyramid schemes are nothing to be ashamed of, all legit businesses, basketball teams, church organizations form a pyramid :rolleyes: :camby:

Those world venture prices did seem tempting tho :guilty:

thats some troll :troll: logic right there
 

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I got a call from one of these places saying I sent them a resume. I figured it was true because I was looking for a job. The lady said the pay was starting at 40k yr. She said come in for the details and that their main office was being renovated and they were working out of their central office.
I get their and it's random people hanging all on the porch (yes the porch) and place was a room in the back of a nail salon. Once the people told me I was at the right place and I saw the pamphlets I knew what it was and I left[DOUBLEPOST=1397404790][/DOUBLEPOST]I got a call from one of these places saying I sent them a resume. I figured it was true because I was looking for a job. The lady said the pay was starting at 40k yr. She said come in for the details and that their main office was being renovated and they were working out of their central office.
I get their and it's random people hanging all on the porch (yes the porch) and place was a room in the back of a nail salon. Once the people told me I was at the right place and I saw the pamphlets I knew what it was and I left
 
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This is so embarrassing. I am disgusted at these videos.

I feel bad watching some of these videos and an incredible sense of disbelief. How can people be so gullible to this?

This doesn't and will never sit well with me. None of these businesses are BBB acredited and a simple google search reveals various negative consumer reports.
 

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I feel bad watching some of these videos and an incredible sense of disbelief. How can people be so gullible to this?

This doesn't and will never sit well with me. None of these businesses are BBB acredited and a simple google search reveals various negative consumer reports.
What about Prepaid legal :troll:?? They told me it was when i went to their seminars.
 
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While this is true. I wouldn't necessarily call them stupid either. They can be just as gullible and naive as anyone else. The psychology behind these mlm's is kind of ingenious and sickening at the same time. The reason why it's so easy to get caught up is b/c sometimes you just goto a meeting in favor for a friend. they hit with the "hey I have this business meeting you should attend". The ivy grad I know who was in it tried to pull me in (Primerica) but by now at this point I was 2-3 years removed from doing cutco/vector and I already knew what was up. I just went to the meeting as a favor and they were driving (she lived up the street from me). The meetings are just a big charade, they call people's names out to give them checks (some ppl get called up more than once) and all sorts of other fukkery. A bunch of call and response, chanting, and feigned enthusiasm. I really think there is some form of hypnosis behind the entire thing. :snoop:

Also she wasn't the only person at her school (Upenn btw) who was involved she was trying to get her roommate involved as well, but her roommate was already in it.

Eric Wolfram's List of known deceptions : Cydcor Sucks : DSMax, Granton Marketing and Advertisement Group
Eric Wolfram's List of known deceptions : Cydcor Sucks : DSMax : Atmosphere and Psychology

Ds-Max Atmosphere and Psychology




This is a very important part to the business. Never under estimate it. This is where a person learns about the business, gets rejuvenated about the business and where the manager controls the business. It is the media. The blood of the madness. An owner would say that Atmosphere should be nothing but teaching and learning about the business. Generally, a big room is set aside for people to gather in the morning to practice pitch and learn about atmosphere. There is almost always a dry erase board handy so that a person can draw something to help teach others.
Atmosphere happens twice a day. Once in the morning before the meeting, and secondly, in the evening as people get back from the field. Atmosphere is when the owner is on stage. He has to make sure that his office delivers a superior performance to the new people and the leaders or the attitude will slip and then sales will slip. Here are a few rules (in no order of importance):



  1. Always get with the guy who made money that day or the day before and learn what he did.
  2. Always get with the owner, assistant manager or especially a visiting VP and find out what they did to get ahead.
  3. If you are a leader always try and be showing a new person something positive about the business or how to make more money using the marketing system.
  4. Tell a merchandising story that has a positive aspect.
  5. Isolate or Quarantine from the general populace anyone who does not have a great attitude in atmosphere.
  6. Promote your goals that have to do with success through the business.
  7. Give recognition to anyone who "makes noise" or "rings the bell" (some one who sells a certain amount that day and is "privileged" to be able to hit a gong or ring a bell or sound off a horn in atmosphere" One gives recognition by saying "juice" or "juice by YOU" and high fiving the jubilant sales rep.
  8. Practice Pitching -- when everyone gets in little groups and practices going through a pitch.
  9. Have games -- which have to do with pitching or learning about the marketing system.
  10. Have loud music.
  11. Make new people want to become a part of the family by constantly promoting ds-max in front of them.
  12. Promote what an owner wants said about a situation (in leaders meeting a situation may arise about a campaign or a person in the office and the owner can dictate to the leaders how this situation is to be promoted in atmosphere to new people -- you would be surprised how this works)
  13. Have hip loud music playing. This makes people have to speak up in pitch circles and also if a new person says something negative the music will drown it out.
The effects of these rules on the mind of the rep are as subtle as silk but get a hard as a vice. The non-leader starts out by seeing everyone having a good time before and after work. But then you become a leader and now you are a thought cop -- always making sure everyone is acting like they should. You go from genuinely being curious and asking a question as a non-leader -- to manipulating your guys to ask how to get a head - to constantly regurgitating the same stories to your guys. You believe it and you hope that if you repeat it enough that your guys will too. You go from wanting to get a head in life -- to coming down hard on any dissension from what should be said in atmosphere. You see, when you start the business, you want a job and you try and fit in. Atmosphere may seem a bit weird -- but, hey, you need to pay rent. If you last and you become sold on the business -- you have to act in certain ways.
 
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any friend that you can lose off some shyt like this isn't a friend you need in your circle for real.

Ayatollah Watts! WHADDUP?

But yeah...I agree. But I try to tell as ny people as possible to avoid these scams like the plague. I'd like to write article on it or something like that. Or even do a documentary of sorts...because it is a real reflection of the (lack of a) job market out there.
 
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I did this shyt for a month before, it was some energy company, I knew nothing about MLM or any of that shyt, somebody I knew told me they was making
money doing it, which wasn't lie, but he just wanted me to join so he can get paid of me, because he knew I was a hustling type of nikka I would get sells.

So I went out to the eastcoast with this nikka, philly, and all them states around their. He introduced me to the Bosses and shyt, we had meetings in conference rooms at first, until they got an office, and I already knew off that back something was wrong because of the fukk type nikkaz they had up in here.
shyt was like a cult like atmosphere. Where they would try to do this chants and shyt to rile everybody up, shyt was kinda like Wolf of Wall Street office minus the whores and drugs.

You see the energy had been deregulated in the certain states, so all you had to do was sign people at the rate the company was offering
they wanted me to go door to door with this shyt.

They called themselves teaching salesmenship, but really they were teaching how to manipulate and con people, and I am grateful for those skills because they will come in handy

With that said I only quit, because they didn't pay me what I asked for.

I easily surpassed everyone in the office in sales even the nikka who recruited me, but I was still getting paid the base which was like 16 dollars per deal.
The most deals I did in a single day was 22, so I made 352 in one day fukking with this shyt. But you have to understand shyt was hard work I was out in the cold all day, and the things nobody would ever do those many sells because most people aren't crazy like me willing to go through extreme lengths.

But all I wanted was a team where I could make money of their deals, I didn't expect anyone to perform like me, but I had 20 people under me, it wouldn't matter how many they did as long as they put some points on the board, the shyt would add up and factor it in with my own sales.

Needless to say I said I needed 25 per deal I did and I needed 5 dollars of a team, to me this was beyond reasonable because I knew the deals were worth much more, I just wanted to hurry up and get some bands up so I can but for an appraisal on a commercial property and was gonna quit anyway.

So this nikkaz finally bring me some people to recruit, I mean most of these people are too dumb any damn way and lack any type of self motivation you need to be a sales person. But still I would just take them out and let them watch me, I got so good I had my own system, and I was the truth. So they would natural feed of my confidence, and put forth an effort.

It wasn't till they took people I trained and put them other people's teams, or moved them to entirely different offices all together, that I got pissed.

So I sabotaged this entire company, I called back all the people I signed up, because I kept logged, and told them to cancel.

Instead of going out in the field I was just went to the bar and got drunk, then I went door to door smelling like cognac, people called in the company and made complaints.

So when I finally quit they tried to keep my last check they owed me, I called the main office of the marketing company which is owned by two old cacs, I actually went to their house, and talked to them and told them this fukk boy was holding my bread. They couldn't believe that shyt and sent me that bread so fast, I let them know like I don't care about them other bums you running game on, they don't fukk with my bread because I'm coming for mines.

With that said MLM is a scam, not for the customers but for the people who work for them. The people at top will never let you get above a certain point
the shyt isn't designed for you to, I was such an incredible hustler that I broke the design, so they just had to straight up pull the plug on everything they had promised me in the first place.

I will start my own on these days, because it is an easy way to get rich, if your at the TOP and started the whole thing, and have the contracts from the actually company your marketing the services for in your name.

Also is all about the product your selling, I would never sell like weight lost shyt, or any of that dumb ass shyt a lot of people posted in here

like the Primerca, that shyt would work because people will need Insurance always, the buying the shyt anyway, why not from you, if you got sell it's on you
no different than working at a car lot.

also MLM are not pyramid schemes, pyramid schemes don't have products that's the only difference, and why MLMs are legal


DUDE! It was like that where I worked when I did MLM! It was crazy....I never made a team leader level though...I struggled to even make 5 sales a weak. I actually hate sales cause I just don't have that cutthroat don't give AF mentality...but i learned stuff from those jobs that would help me out. That was one of the few jobs I could find at the time.

craigslist is literally filled with these type of jobs now.
 

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what they should say is that pyramid schemes are illegal....and that primerica isnt a pyramid scheme...i posted a link describing what a pyramid scheme is above...

im sure most didnt bother to read it tho

I know what a pyramid scheme is. If Primerica is anything like Vector then they do focus moreso on the product then the actual recruiting. Actually Primerica is a little worse than cutco in my opinion. I still don't like the business practice in general but unfortunately for them they get lumped into the same category as the W.U.N, Verve, and the like
 
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I know what a pyramid scheme is. If Primerica is anything like Vector then they do focus moreso on the product then the actual recruiting. Actually Primerica is a little worse than cutco in my opinion. I still don't like the business practice in general but unfortunately for them they get lumped into the same category as the W.U.N, Verve, and the like

why do you think its worse?[DOUBLEPOST=1397428517][/DOUBLEPOST]
Because we aren't dumb fukks like you, we know a pyramid scheme when we see one, go ask yourself why Herbalife is being probed by the Feds but normal businesses like Walmart Progressive Nike aren't....dont worry, I'll wait :bayer:

i dont know anything about herbalife...im not involved in it :yeshrug:

i posted what pyramid schemes are...and primerica isnt one...you didnt bother to read and are only interested in trolling...youve already lost this battle breh...and you did because youre ignorant (which isnt a bad thing in itself because everybody is ignorant about something)...but because there was a point that you could educate yourself and you didnt bother :yeshrug:...

again: pyramid schemes dont sale products/services....they operate by having people buy in...and that is the way that any money gets made and shot up the pipeline....primerica isnt like that...there are actually products being sold....

there...im thru with you so dont bother replying...you'll get not one more word from me.
 
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Whats this new shyt folks pushing on instagram?

your only allowed to contact them through text messages. They never say what it is publicly. Like you get a prepaid card load it with 100 and they'll send you 1000. 200 for 2000 etc etc
 
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