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Problem is that we won a lot of games already that if we do tank intentionally or unintentionally, we won't be getting a high draft pick. Probably somewhere around the 10-14 picks.
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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Problem is that we won a lot of games already that if we do tank intentionally or unintentionally, we won't be getting a high draft pick. Probably somewhere around the 10-14 picks.
One of the few games there seemed to be legit effort. Afraid they'll sleepwalk through the next one. Rose is fukking dreadful...not having a PG is a problem.
GetInTheTruck
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where did we go wrong....
injuries and no defense.
storyteller
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Damn, a couple weeks ago this squad was top 4 and on a beautiful 15 game run and now...feels like the wheels have fallen off. The Knicks played with defensive intensity for one damned quarter and owned that quarter, only to collapse and give up a 14 point lead in the fourth. The Knicks squandered this one; Hornacek with poor decisions, the PG's with 8 TO's to 9 AST's, and team defense once again looking terrible. Don't sleep on the three point defense either; while the Knicks did well against the starters (which makes sense looking at the Bucks personnel), their bench made close to 50% of their attempts (6/13 from the stretch players). So yeah, still trash there. The silver lining here is that this was the best Knicks effort since the West Coast road trip (which is literally the crash point every damned year) but the 4th quarter felt like the usual so it's tough to get excited about. The Knicks have another couple of weeks max to turn it around or decide to tank and the schedule doesn't look all that friendly when they can't put away a team with a 14 pt lead in the fourth or beat the Magic.
Rose: 7-18 for 15 points (dear God) to go with 4 assists to 5 TO's (wtf) from our starting PG. That's not just bad, that's AWFUL. He got outplayed by a second round draft pick (who looks legit to be fair). In the fourth quarter, he literally went full tunnel vision and on the few (jump) passes he attempted there were TO's and off target throws which necessitated resets with less shot clock. This was disturbingly bad from him, tank commander stuff and unlike Melo, his trash defense has mostly been slept on but last night it really shined when his complete lack of awareness left him with a free shot to double Giannis on the last shot but he stood between his man and ???...Idk what he was really going for. Either way, this was a low point after he'd really improved his play with some range. The dunks were nice to look at though.
Lee: 11 points 3 assists, went 3-5 from 3 and also had a beauty of a chase down block on the monster that is Jabari Parker. Lee played as advertised last night, made threes, didn't force much and played solid D. No hate from me for that one.
Melo: 30, 11 and 7 assists to 2 TO's. His jumper was off most of the night (10-23) but he attacked the basket a lot in this one drawing FT's and making some off ball cuts to get easy baskets inside. The off ball movement is a wrinkle that if he adds, could really help this dude and everyone else as well. His defense deserves a shout out, Jabari Parker has low key been really good and Melo held him to 40% and 15 points (there were a couple of brain farts as always but that happens to almost everyone in the course of a game). Melo's passing was the real standout though, he was sharing the ball really well. Coaches mentioned a strategy of targeting the corners and Melo hit Lee and Lance open there very early on to start the trend. Melo was a better pick and roll player than Rose last night. Lastly, I really wonder what's up with his right arm. He shook it out after taking contact from Henson but Henson tugged on Melo's left arm and I'm CERTAIN that Melo was shaking his arm out against the Magic too. I PRAY that the loss doesn't take Melo's focus off of how much his play worked last night.
Lance: For three quarters he did a hell of a job against Giannis, but in the fourth he got eaten up and even playing respectable D he gave up 27 points on 10-18 from the field. That's the good part of his damned game. 38 mins, 7 points, 2 asts, 4 boards on 3-8 shooting. That stat line is okay in 15-20 mins, not in 40. I've spent a season and a half railing against dude now and I ain't stopping now...
Noah: Noah had a soft match-up in Henson but a dude who gets after it and Noah schooled that cat. 8 pts, 16 boards, 2 assists on 4-7 from the field in 31 minutes (now look back at Lance Thomas' stat line for a second). Noah was the sole interior defender that carried the team against a unit that really attacks! Noah hurting his shoulder marked a shift in the team's defensive effectiveness but in the fourth he went back out there and gritted through it, audibly in pain as he fought for the win. The injury stops what had been a very nice run for the guy, still not great on a nightly basis but he'd shown a lot of marked improvement in his play. A game like last night would make sense of that contract (well not really, but short term at least) up until he got hurt.
Jennings: 3 pts (1-4 shooting), 5 assists to 3 TO's and nothing else in 16 minutes. When he can't outpace a defense and his jumper is off, he really doesn't have much else to offer. That would typically be fine from a back-up but Rose was awful last night and he didn't step up at all. His fourth quarter was out of control and sloppy, end of story.
Holiday: 3-6 7 points, 3 boards and 1 assist in 10 minutes (let's look at Lance's stats again). He picked up two ugly TO's from being a bit out of control but he played with pace and aggression. He's one of the top defensive players nightly yet he was the last rotation sub in for Hornacek who just complained about poor defense. He deserved more time.
Kuz: 6-10 for 15 points, 4 boards, 1 assist, 2 steals and a block in 19 minutes (if you aren't reading my mind, there's a guy who played double that and scored half as much on just 2 less attempts plus grabbed the same number of rebounds). Hornacek wanted the team to play with effort, Kuz was the spark for that. His ability to be aggressive but smart about it, shoot the ball and move off the ball made him a player that the Bucks will probably have a scouting report on in the rematch. I'd be interested to see minutes splits for Kuz in wins and losses, but it's mainly just because I feel like Lance coming back played a role in the team losing chemistry...that's right, this entire breakdown is going at Lance...whole damned thing.
KOQ: I don't think KOQ has looked good since the flu which makes sense since he's depleted. He was 4-8 for 8 points in 15 minutes which is good. But he was at Center and grabbed 2 boards in that span and didn't seem mobile on either end. He didn't move off ball on offense and was slow to set screens; on defense he was late to rotate and protect the paint. When Noah went down in the fourth, he went out there and gave his all though and fought...but he gassed rapidly and needed Noah back in quickly. If Noah's shoulder is hit, we need this guy to get it back ASAP! P.S. 15 mins 8 points on 50% from the field is way better than 38 mins 7 points on 38%...
Willy: 3 minutes on a night when Noah was hurt for a quarter and a half while KOQ seemed to be laboring. It's almost as if this kid hasn't consistently responded to minutes with production. I bet he was 10 more minutes away from putting up better numbers than Lance.
Hornacek: I expect a lot better than that garbage last night. First the props, he trusted Lance on Giannis and dude responded for a good chunk of the game. Now the bad; he trusted Lance too much and for too long. He didn't do anything about the Knicks resorting to slow down Iso's in the fourth when they wanted to protect the lead. He had Noah out there screaming in pain every time dude put his hand up. The big two though; first, he had the Knicks on the verge of a blow out to start the fourth and went full bench instead of stepping on their throat...and when the bench got crushed in minutes, he was forced to play the starters extended time in the fourth to try and grind out the win. Had he played a normal rotation, he coulda went to the bench against a discouraged Bucks team and rested everybody but he rushed it and blew the game. Second, the inbounds play...Knicks in the bonus up 1 and he has Melo inbounding the ball instead of ANYBODY ELSE. The team's clutch shooter was not going to get a chance to ice the game that he carried the team through. This also freed Giannis to defense Rose who was the obvious first pass option without Melo out there. He also left Noah out there who is literally not an option to receive the ball. You could not make it easier for the opponents to defend the inbound there. Those aren't small mistakes, those aren't brain farts, he had a TO and didn't set anything of worth up. It was BAD.
Random: I used to always complain about the two step gather rule because Lebron could literally pick his dribble up at the three point line and gallop to a dunk, but I never thought how scary it'd be if someone used that for step back jumpers. Not a complaint, take advantage of the rules, but that is an unstoppable shot if Giannis can keep making it.
Rose: 7-18 for 15 points (dear God) to go with 4 assists to 5 TO's (wtf) from our starting PG. That's not just bad, that's AWFUL. He got outplayed by a second round draft pick (who looks legit to be fair). In the fourth quarter, he literally went full tunnel vision and on the few (jump) passes he attempted there were TO's and off target throws which necessitated resets with less shot clock. This was disturbingly bad from him, tank commander stuff and unlike Melo, his trash defense has mostly been slept on but last night it really shined when his complete lack of awareness left him with a free shot to double Giannis on the last shot but he stood between his man and ???...Idk what he was really going for. Either way, this was a low point after he'd really improved his play with some range. The dunks were nice to look at though.
Lee: 11 points 3 assists, went 3-5 from 3 and also had a beauty of a chase down block on the monster that is Jabari Parker. Lee played as advertised last night, made threes, didn't force much and played solid D. No hate from me for that one.
Melo: 30, 11 and 7 assists to 2 TO's. His jumper was off most of the night (10-23) but he attacked the basket a lot in this one drawing FT's and making some off ball cuts to get easy baskets inside. The off ball movement is a wrinkle that if he adds, could really help this dude and everyone else as well. His defense deserves a shout out, Jabari Parker has low key been really good and Melo held him to 40% and 15 points (there were a couple of brain farts as always but that happens to almost everyone in the course of a game). Melo's passing was the real standout though, he was sharing the ball really well. Coaches mentioned a strategy of targeting the corners and Melo hit Lee and Lance open there very early on to start the trend. Melo was a better pick and roll player than Rose last night. Lastly, I really wonder what's up with his right arm. He shook it out after taking contact from Henson but Henson tugged on Melo's left arm and I'm CERTAIN that Melo was shaking his arm out against the Magic too. I PRAY that the loss doesn't take Melo's focus off of how much his play worked last night.
Lance: For three quarters he did a hell of a job against Giannis, but in the fourth he got eaten up and even playing respectable D he gave up 27 points on 10-18 from the field. That's the good part of his damned game. 38 mins, 7 points, 2 asts, 4 boards on 3-8 shooting. That stat line is okay in 15-20 mins, not in 40. I've spent a season and a half railing against dude now and I ain't stopping now...
Noah: Noah had a soft match-up in Henson but a dude who gets after it and Noah schooled that cat. 8 pts, 16 boards, 2 assists on 4-7 from the field in 31 minutes (now look back at Lance Thomas' stat line for a second). Noah was the sole interior defender that carried the team against a unit that really attacks! Noah hurting his shoulder marked a shift in the team's defensive effectiveness but in the fourth he went back out there and gritted through it, audibly in pain as he fought for the win. The injury stops what had been a very nice run for the guy, still not great on a nightly basis but he'd shown a lot of marked improvement in his play. A game like last night would make sense of that contract (well not really, but short term at least) up until he got hurt.
Jennings: 3 pts (1-4 shooting), 5 assists to 3 TO's and nothing else in 16 minutes. When he can't outpace a defense and his jumper is off, he really doesn't have much else to offer. That would typically be fine from a back-up but Rose was awful last night and he didn't step up at all. His fourth quarter was out of control and sloppy, end of story.
Holiday: 3-6 7 points, 3 boards and 1 assist in 10 minutes (let's look at Lance's stats again). He picked up two ugly TO's from being a bit out of control but he played with pace and aggression. He's one of the top defensive players nightly yet he was the last rotation sub in for Hornacek who just complained about poor defense. He deserved more time.
Kuz: 6-10 for 15 points, 4 boards, 1 assist, 2 steals and a block in 19 minutes (if you aren't reading my mind, there's a guy who played double that and scored half as much on just 2 less attempts plus grabbed the same number of rebounds). Hornacek wanted the team to play with effort, Kuz was the spark for that. His ability to be aggressive but smart about it, shoot the ball and move off the ball made him a player that the Bucks will probably have a scouting report on in the rematch. I'd be interested to see minutes splits for Kuz in wins and losses, but it's mainly just because I feel like Lance coming back played a role in the team losing chemistry...that's right, this entire breakdown is going at Lance...whole damned thing.
KOQ: I don't think KOQ has looked good since the flu which makes sense since he's depleted. He was 4-8 for 8 points in 15 minutes which is good. But he was at Center and grabbed 2 boards in that span and didn't seem mobile on either end. He didn't move off ball on offense and was slow to set screens; on defense he was late to rotate and protect the paint. When Noah went down in the fourth, he went out there and gave his all though and fought...but he gassed rapidly and needed Noah back in quickly. If Noah's shoulder is hit, we need this guy to get it back ASAP! P.S. 15 mins 8 points on 50% from the field is way better than 38 mins 7 points on 38%...
Willy: 3 minutes on a night when Noah was hurt for a quarter and a half while KOQ seemed to be laboring. It's almost as if this kid hasn't consistently responded to minutes with production. I bet he was 10 more minutes away from putting up better numbers than Lance.
Hornacek: I expect a lot better than that garbage last night. First the props, he trusted Lance on Giannis and dude responded for a good chunk of the game. Now the bad; he trusted Lance too much and for too long. He didn't do anything about the Knicks resorting to slow down Iso's in the fourth when they wanted to protect the lead. He had Noah out there screaming in pain every time dude put his hand up. The big two though; first, he had the Knicks on the verge of a blow out to start the fourth and went full bench instead of stepping on their throat...and when the bench got crushed in minutes, he was forced to play the starters extended time in the fourth to try and grind out the win. Had he played a normal rotation, he coulda went to the bench against a discouraged Bucks team and rested everybody but he rushed it and blew the game. Second, the inbounds play...Knicks in the bonus up 1 and he has Melo inbounding the ball instead of ANYBODY ELSE. The team's clutch shooter was not going to get a chance to ice the game that he carried the team through. This also freed Giannis to defense Rose who was the obvious first pass option without Melo out there. He also left Noah out there who is literally not an option to receive the ball. You could not make it easier for the opponents to defend the inbound there. Those aren't small mistakes, those aren't brain farts, he had a TO and didn't set anything of worth up. It was BAD.
Random: I used to always complain about the two step gather rule because Lebron could literally pick his dribble up at the three point line and gallop to a dunk, but I never thought how scary it'd be if someone used that for step back jumpers. Not a complaint, take advantage of the rules, but that is an unstoppable shot if Giannis can keep making it.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Heard from a guy associated with the Knicks that Melo is gonna opt out because Dolan loves him and agreed to give him one last big contract
If true
He's due like 60 million over the last two years. If Dolan did that you might as well cuncel the franchise forever.
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
Heard from a guy associated with the Knicks that Melo is gonna opt out because Dolan loves him and agreed to give him one last big contract
If true
:philjacksonlol:Let that fakkit walk. I say let him go finish his career in Denver or go ring chasing with Bron. Dolan must be on some good shyt. fukk that.
That would not happen.Heard from a guy associated with the Knicks that Melo is gonna opt out because Dolan loves him and agreed to give him one last big contract
If true
Not logically but Dolan is the owner and he loves Melo
Look at how loyal he was to Isiah
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
@storyteller done had enough of Thomas, used the whole write up to show it
You do make a point though, his return did mark a downward trend for the team. It was the Phoenix game iirc. I think his problem is he gets too much leash, too many minutes(should be in the single digits if he gets any at all) and try's to do way too much that he's not really capable of.
Knicks need to do something quick cause I'm getting close to being real apathetic, I don't even feel nothing after the loses now which is bad. Next is I'll be checking out of games early...
You do make a point though, his return did mark a downward trend for the team. It was the Phoenix game iirc. I think his problem is he gets too much leash, too many minutes(should be in the single digits if he gets any at all) and try's to do way too much that he's not really capable of.
Knicks need to do something quick cause I'm getting close to being real apathetic, I don't even feel nothing after the loses now which is bad. Next is I'll be checking out of games early...
storyteller
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@storyteller done had enough of Thomas, used the whole write up to show it
You do make a point though, his return did mark a downward trend for the team. It was the Phoenix game iirc. I think his problem is he gets too much leash, too many minutes(should be in the single digits if he gets any at all) and try's to do way too much that he's not really capable of.
Knicks need to do something quick cause I'm getting close to being real apathetic, I don't even feel nothing after the loses now which is bad. Next is I'll be checking out of games early...
The problem with him is that he's not making teams pay for breaking their shape to guard others. His man is always floating and Lance hasn't consistently made teams pay, force him off the shot and he's a liability to his own team. You combine him with Noah and there's a lot of work for three guys to do in order to make the offense work. His defense is usually respectable but it's not as good as last year (his shot too) and he's never offered anything else. He doesn't rebound well at all, he's not a good passer and he can't handle the ball well enough to get a good look inside off the pump fake and drive. Honestly, he'd probably be better off using a Courtney Lee pull-up but there's no way to tell if he'd make those consistently either...probably not.
I've been on break since that Christmas game
me too I just felt like that game was about to send this drop off
Lmao at the accurate Lance hate. He def played solid D for most the game tho. I really want to see Holiday start in his place. Its our best lineup.
You know, I always had a problem with a lot of you running around chest beating about being a 3rd seed....in december. I felt that was an invitation to karma to come smack us in the face, and lo and behold the bytch put hands on us.
Until there's a change in ownership and management at MSG, there's just some things you can't do as a Knick fan:
You can't get too high on a "good" record early in the season. This is the Knicks. Wait til feb/march. If they are still good, THAT'S the team we have.
You can't look past ANY opponent. Like nobody. "Favorable part of the schedule"?
This is the Knicks, man. Your team dead last in 3 point pct? Play the Knicks. Career journeyman like Jodie Meeks, Ish Smith or Ramon Sessions? Play the Knicks and 
my brotha.
You cannot feel safe with a 14 point lead unless there's about a minute and a half to play in the 4th. And giving them more than a minute to trick off a lead scares me.
Until there's a change in ownership and management at MSG, there's just some things you can't do as a Knick fan:
You can't get too high on a "good" record early in the season. This is the Knicks. Wait til feb/march. If they are still good, THAT'S the team we have.
You can't look past ANY opponent. Like nobody. "Favorable part of the schedule"?
This is the Knicks, man. Your team dead last in 3 point pct? Play the Knicks. Career journeyman like Jodie Meeks, Ish Smith or Ramon Sessions? Play the Knicks and my brotha.You cannot feel safe with a 14 point lead unless there's about a minute and a half to play in the 4th. And giving them more than a minute to trick off a lead scares me.
