Fam, cats are like this every year, every game. Knicks lose a game, "player x is garbage, etc." If the Knicks win, "player x is da gawd,
, etc." It's pretty tiring & played out.
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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Fam, cats are like this every year, every game. Knicks lose a game, "player x is garbage, etc." If the Knicks win, "player x is da gawd,
, etc." It's pretty tiring & played out.
beenz
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the problem is rose averaged under 5 assist per game last year, which is NOT good for a starting caliber PG.
with someone like melo who has a great J, he should be running the pick and pop all day with melo, porzingas and lee.
They still trying to implement that damn triangle. And Rose is levels better than who we have be rolling out at the pg position over the past few years.
I said this start of the szn ..I'm suprised that hornacek hasnt implemented more PN pop plays wit..melo x rose rose x Kp .. the gasol' x rose combo past few years should have been the template
Instead they aint doin that .. and melo is insisting on holdin the ball
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onelastdeath
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Melo gotta lead and play better
KillSpray
Don't be mad
There isn't as much pressure on rose to be a playmaker when Noah is on the floor. They're playing him with Jennings too at times. Rose doesn't have to be a prototypical PG to be useful as long as he can break down defenses and shoot at a decent percentage.
KP was off, Melo's defense was poor and he let his ego get involved in the young boys scoring at will on him, and no one could hit a shot in the last 5 minutes despite several opportunities. It was ugly in ways, but it was a game that was lost by correctable mistakes.
Maybe by mid season, if rose continues to play at a high level, and KP continues growing, and melo continues getting burned by young players, melo will be forced to humble himself. I see melo now more as one of many weapons, that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best weapon in every case like in seasons past. Melo dealing with that wisely will mean a lot for the team, because he's literally useless if young SF are looking at him like food on the defensive end.
KP was off, Melo's defense was poor and he let his ego get involved in the young boys scoring at will on him, and no one could hit a shot in the last 5 minutes despite several opportunities. It was ugly in ways, but it was a game that was lost by correctable mistakes.
Maybe by mid season, if rose continues to play at a high level, and KP continues growing, and melo continues getting burned by young players, melo will be forced to humble himself. I see melo now more as one of many weapons, that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best weapon in every case like in seasons past. Melo dealing with that wisely will mean a lot for the team, because he's literally useless if young SF are looking at him like food on the defensive end.
These Knicks are like a more poorly constructed version of Denver when Iverson was the PG. They got more talent especially in the starting five but their bench is weaker, Melo is worse now than then, worse coached and this is a more difficult era for freelance natured teams.
I would be surprised if this was a .500 team.
If possible do what Chicago did and get rid of Rose. He is a net negative. Too ball dominate for someone who's not that good anymore.
I would be surprised if this was a .500 team.
If possible do what Chicago did and get rid of Rose. He is a net negative. Too ball dominate for someone who's not that good anymore.
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nikkas commenting without watching a fukking second...thats why i cant take these atlanta nikkas seriously. nikkas read a box score and think they know shyt 
rose has been ball dominant in what fukking game this year?
melo literally had to tell him to go out there and attack in the memphis game
man get the fukk out of here
basketball is a game that requires chemistry more than any other sport...and there simply isnt any
to judge a team off of 3 games is idiotic and reeks of desperate levels of overreaction
the team will be different in 10-20 games...players will know when to pick spots and flow naturally...i'm not worried about that shyt
my current problem is melo
he needs to play smarter on both ends...and idk if that will happen.
rose has been ball dominant in what fukking game this year?
melo literally had to tell him to go out there and attack in the memphis game
man get the fukk out of here
basketball is a game that requires chemistry more than any other sport...and there simply isnt any
to judge a team off of 3 games is idiotic and reeks of desperate levels of overreaction
the team will be different in 10-20 games...players will know when to pick spots and flow naturally...i'm not worried about that shyt
my current problem is melo
he needs to play smarter on both ends...and idk if that will happen.
We need to right this ship asap. These early losses are far from meaningless.
Post-game clarity, realizations, and excuses are worthless.
Get it together....now.
"I ain't talking about no other player, I am talking about you...."
Post-game clarity, realizations, and excuses are worthless.
Get it together....now.
"I ain't talking about no other player, I am talking about you...."
Fam, cats are like this every year, every game. Knicks lose a game, "player x is garbage, etc." If the Knicks win, "player x is da gawd,
I be doing this shytBut foreal Melo was acting a fool out there. Dude was too worried about going toe to toe with Morris plus he played shyt defense.
Rose Been Overzealous In His Passing He'll Be Fine Once Hes Settled In, He Sees The Court Well, You Can Tell Hes Trying Instead Of Letting It Come Natural
Other Than Some Wild Turnovers Hes Been Great
Other Than Some Wild Turnovers Hes Been Great
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I haven't flipped through the thread but I have a feeling I'm about to put a bunch of unpopular opinions all in one big reflection on this one. KP was the biggest disappointment for me of this entire game. He struggled with a swing forward on both ends for the entire first half and I had no problem with his benching in the fourth because his defense on Harris had been just that awful. I'm hoping Hornacek has a word with him and uses KP's frustration over that fourth quarter benching to get him more fired up. KP's defense so far hasn't been what it was last year and his rebounding effort has been light also (though stretch PF's may be contributing to it). Lance fell back to Earth offensively and is exactly who everyone thought he was before the couple of good months last year; good hustle guy, strong defender but atrocious on the other end. Rose and Melo taking turns in isolation is actually worse to me than just one guy taking 3 or 4 consecutive plays to pound the ball into his defender and try to exhaust the single player or get him in foul trouble; if they aren't gonna playmake then they need to pick on the weakest defender and not have a time share.
Oh and the defense overall? Morris made some tough jumpers early and was all in Melo's head for three quarters, just awful. Harris abused KP and Noah was so busy focusing on shutting down Drummond that he offered no help whatsoever. Rose let Ish Smith do exactly what I feared and break things down. KCP is barely average at three point shooting and had a "scrub of the night" performance from the three point line which hurt also.
Rose: Everyone always wants team play and yada yada yada....he was being guarded by an undersized, poor defensive PG and he should have had the green light to attack every chance he got. When he tried to playmake for others it was awkward and wasted possesions where he had the best look but wanted to share. Defense was bad. The team looks much better when the offense runs plays through Noah and Rose just picks his spots to attack his defender.
Lee: Cheating off of KCP is okay in the game plan but it backfired hard. He did a bit of everything, but wasn't anything special; which is fine in his role but any time his man scores that much as a lesser option, he's gotta step back and adjust.
Melo: Like Rose, when Melo let the offense come to him it was fun to watch. He'd get deep position, face up isolations that were effective and score well. When Morris hit a few tough jumpers though, he decided that he needed to match...and forced bad jumpers which was exacerbated by frustrated, low IQ defensive play. When he finally focused in the fourth, he did well on defense but didn't shoot well even on good looks. He has the ability to be a playmaker, but he didn't do any creating last night unless it was for himself.
KP: His third quarter shouldn't be enough to ignore poor play in the entire first half. He let an undersized guy torch him without ever being physical. He best weakside play came to help on Drummond while Morris and Ish Smith ate inside the paint no problem. He shot the ball poorly and the best defense of the night came when the starters were out there without him. We know what he's capable of on both ends, so color me disappointed. He needs to become a physical defender period, impose the size and trust weakside help if he gets beat. On offense, when the jumpers aren't falling, he needs to work for deeper position and cut HARD off the ball. Off ball work helped him early last game, but besides one deep post position score I can't recall him working that hard off ball last night.
Noah: The offense runs better through him even when Drummond literally sits in the middle and gives Noah all the space in the world. He did a good job putting a body on Drummond but he also did an awful job helping anybody else which set off a chain reaction of miscommunications and poor defensive play early. He did do a fantastic job on the boards though with a tough match-up.
Jennings: A little out of control but he was the only player off the bench that had any interest in scoring and he did so efficiently. His teammates failed him offensively when he found them open but if he gets some offensive help, this ends up being a really nice performance. His find of KP on a baseline cut was what got the kid finally going too.
Lance: 1 for 6, no assists to 2 TO's and his defense was ineffective until the fourth quarter. I assumed he got more burn off a combination of Holiday needing stitches and the back to back requiring more bench play but is there any reason to play a dude that long after seeing that statline? This is the dude some of yall fought with me all last season for and he's looking like a payday turned him complacent...I ain't letting go of that until he turns it around (IF he turns it out).
Holiday: I think his injury had a bigger impact than you'd expect. He's one of the better bench ball handlers (kinda sad but true), he's the best off ball player and defender on the bench too. He also allows for better staggered line ups.
KOQ: You'll probably only ever hear this after a loss, but he gave the best defensive effort of anyone on the team. Offensively, he didn't force anything but that meant his offense was non-existent.
Ndour: I liked his minutes. Least talented guy we put out there but he worked harder off the ball and on defense than most guys and found his way to some points and rebounds. In six minutes he caught two passes under the rack off of hard baseline cuts, it makes no sense that he was the only player to really take advantage of BJ's balling.
Sasha: As a fill in, he managed to load up the statline in five minutes, so I'ma leave him alone.
Willy: Fairly quiet five minutes, but it was more experience in meaningful time.
Horny: Woulda done well to call a couple of time outs and straighten up everybody's mental games when the defense was flustered and the offense was falling to only pick and rolls; although maybe that'll be a lesson for the "we should just run the pick and roll" contingent. I never agree with coaching for a back to back on night one; you get the win and make night two a game with house money...but I think he coached for the back to back in having a full bench unit and playing everyone but Kuz. It bothers me that when we needed offense from our bench, he let Kuz rot. Not a good performance.
Random: Morris has had a good start to the season, Ish Smith has been surprisingly effective and Harris looks like he turned a corner...should be an interesting team when Reggie returns.
Really Random: Did anyone with league pass catch that the Grizzlies rested Gasol AND Conley last night; because that blew up my damned Draft Kings line-up and I feel like I've seen more players getting rested early this year than ever before. I blame Pop for this, it's hurting my fantasy play and betting!
Oh and the defense overall? Morris made some tough jumpers early and was all in Melo's head for three quarters, just awful. Harris abused KP and Noah was so busy focusing on shutting down Drummond that he offered no help whatsoever. Rose let Ish Smith do exactly what I feared and break things down. KCP is barely average at three point shooting and had a "scrub of the night" performance from the three point line which hurt also.
Rose: Everyone always wants team play and yada yada yada....he was being guarded by an undersized, poor defensive PG and he should have had the green light to attack every chance he got. When he tried to playmake for others it was awkward and wasted possesions where he had the best look but wanted to share. Defense was bad. The team looks much better when the offense runs plays through Noah and Rose just picks his spots to attack his defender.
Lee: Cheating off of KCP is okay in the game plan but it backfired hard. He did a bit of everything, but wasn't anything special; which is fine in his role but any time his man scores that much as a lesser option, he's gotta step back and adjust.
Melo: Like Rose, when Melo let the offense come to him it was fun to watch. He'd get deep position, face up isolations that were effective and score well. When Morris hit a few tough jumpers though, he decided that he needed to match...and forced bad jumpers which was exacerbated by frustrated, low IQ defensive play. When he finally focused in the fourth, he did well on defense but didn't shoot well even on good looks. He has the ability to be a playmaker, but he didn't do any creating last night unless it was for himself.
KP: His third quarter shouldn't be enough to ignore poor play in the entire first half. He let an undersized guy torch him without ever being physical. He best weakside play came to help on Drummond while Morris and Ish Smith ate inside the paint no problem. He shot the ball poorly and the best defense of the night came when the starters were out there without him. We know what he's capable of on both ends, so color me disappointed. He needs to become a physical defender period, impose the size and trust weakside help if he gets beat. On offense, when the jumpers aren't falling, he needs to work for deeper position and cut HARD off the ball. Off ball work helped him early last game, but besides one deep post position score I can't recall him working that hard off ball last night.
Noah: The offense runs better through him even when Drummond literally sits in the middle and gives Noah all the space in the world. He did a good job putting a body on Drummond but he also did an awful job helping anybody else which set off a chain reaction of miscommunications and poor defensive play early. He did do a fantastic job on the boards though with a tough match-up.
Jennings: A little out of control but he was the only player off the bench that had any interest in scoring and he did so efficiently. His teammates failed him offensively when he found them open but if he gets some offensive help, this ends up being a really nice performance. His find of KP on a baseline cut was what got the kid finally going too.
Lance: 1 for 6, no assists to 2 TO's and his defense was ineffective until the fourth quarter. I assumed he got more burn off a combination of Holiday needing stitches and the back to back requiring more bench play but is there any reason to play a dude that long after seeing that statline? This is the dude some of yall fought with me all last season for and he's looking like a payday turned him complacent...I ain't letting go of that until he turns it around (IF he turns it out).
Holiday: I think his injury had a bigger impact than you'd expect. He's one of the better bench ball handlers (kinda sad but true), he's the best off ball player and defender on the bench too. He also allows for better staggered line ups.
KOQ: You'll probably only ever hear this after a loss, but he gave the best defensive effort of anyone on the team. Offensively, he didn't force anything but that meant his offense was non-existent.
Ndour: I liked his minutes. Least talented guy we put out there but he worked harder off the ball and on defense than most guys and found his way to some points and rebounds. In six minutes he caught two passes under the rack off of hard baseline cuts, it makes no sense that he was the only player to really take advantage of BJ's balling.
Sasha: As a fill in, he managed to load up the statline in five minutes, so I'ma leave him alone.
Willy: Fairly quiet five minutes, but it was more experience in meaningful time.
Horny: Woulda done well to call a couple of time outs and straighten up everybody's mental games when the defense was flustered and the offense was falling to only pick and rolls; although maybe that'll be a lesson for the "we should just run the pick and roll" contingent. I never agree with coaching for a back to back on night one; you get the win and make night two a game with house money...but I think he coached for the back to back in having a full bench unit and playing everyone but Kuz. It bothers me that when we needed offense from our bench, he let Kuz rot. Not a good performance.
Random: Morris has had a good start to the season, Ish Smith has been surprisingly effective and Harris looks like he turned a corner...should be an interesting team when Reggie returns.
Really Random: Did anyone with league pass catch that the Grizzlies rested Gasol AND Conley last night; because that blew up my damned Draft Kings line-up and I feel like I've seen more players getting rested early this year than ever before. I blame Pop for this, it's hurting my fantasy play and betting!
Trapperman Dave
Basil Fawty
They gotta get better on defense and they got Houston coming up drose should be able to get at least 20
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
I'm close to the point where if Lance plays really good soon I say trade him since he's been looking like fool's gold. I hate to do dude like that but at least he'll get paid.
Knowing our luck he'd ball out after a trade
Knowing our luck he'd ball out after a trade
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I'm close to the point where if Lance plays really good soon I say trade him since he's been looking like fool's gold. I hate to do dude like that but at least he'll get paid.
Knowing our luck he'd ball out after a trade
I would love to approach the deadline with Lance and KOQ as viable pieces to trade for minor assets or one bench contributor...that'd open up space on the roster for Randle and on the floor for Willy and Kuz (I really think we need Kuz to add punch to our second unit).
