My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[onelastdeath]

Brehs, this organization never belonged to me.

I reevaluated whether I ever really liked the organization more than I happen to like the collection of players.

so much me it's crazy

 

[Youngdev]

Also a question for Melo sychopants would be if this guy is as good as some claim then why isn't anybody willing to give up anything for him?

Can you think of any great or even really good player who on the market teams wouldn't be willing to give up anything remotely decent for?

I guess the gm's are all "haters" too and don't appreciate the greatness of Melo

What would be a decent package from the clippers or cle?

 

[storyteller]

Didn't that same sixers team smoke washington the night before. Why it is surprising that it took that much to beat them...

It's a depleted roster on the second night of a back to back. Not complicated fam, losing this game would have cemented the tank but it was unlikely as hell.

 

[Liquid]

I never would have re-signed Melo, or I would have taken the Bulls offer for him which may have included Jimmy Butler, but that was something most of the fans on here were against.

Here's the problem I have with passing the blame, most of yall applauded these moves at the time. The FO gets pressured into moves by the fans/media in NYC, then gets slammed for them even though it was moves that you all loved, like if I were to up posts I'm sure most of you were calling the Noah signing great, but now it's viewed as awful. I blame Melo a lot because you all say he's a superstar, I said he wasn't and most of the moves you all loved at the time are things I had the face for including trading all those players + pick(s) for him.

Every move the Knicks have made has been in relation to Melo's timetable, and while you may want to trade him now, I'm sure you didn't want to 2-3 years ago. Building around Melo is the biggest mistake the FO made, but the vast majority of Knick fans didn't want to move him, and the FO would have gotten slammed for that too.

That is NYC through and through though. The Nets fell for the same trap as well. The Russian told whoever was making those moves to get competitive immediately no matter the cost and it is going to cost that franchise a decade.

Dolan is incompetent, but I have always looked at the situation as a no-win for him. He doesn't try to sign Amar'e that off-season? They would have eaten him alive in the media at the time. Summer of all those free agents and the knicks not get one name? That would have been devastating to him and the knicks organization as a whole. In fact, I still hold till this very day that if Amar'e did not sign with the Knicks it would have been a very tough sell to get Melo over here.

Amar'e was a bad individual signing and I think everyone with basketbal sense pretty much knew that at the time, but it was a necessary evil to try to get someone over here to pair up with him. In that regard it "worked", it got a future hall of famer to commit to the knicks before Amar'e knees shattered. It got the fans to STFU for a little while, got an unusually hot season from J.R. Smith and got the knicks to the second round. It has been all downhill from there.

We have talked about this before, the biggest mistake was resigning Melo. Also, I try not to bring up old wounds, but who was right at the end of the day? Melo/Marbury or D'Antoni? It is easy to look in hindsight, but I didn't want D'Antoni out of here. I wanted him to stay on the knicks because I knew with the state of this franchise? He was easily the best pick to hold onto while the league was shifting...if ANYONE in the NBA can adapt on offense it is HIM. The guy turned Jeremy Lin into a decent NBA player for the short stint here, handed over PG duties to James Harden and the guy is likely going to win MVP this year as a result. Yes, Harden almost won MVP a few years ago, but NOBODY saw this shyt coming with him like THIS. James Harden? A PG and have that many turnovers? Only D'Antoni can pull shyt like that off. He turned Steve Nash into a Hall of Famer.

 

[Prodyson]

I never would have re-signed Melo, or I would have taken the Bulls offer for him which may have included Jimmy Butler, but that was something most of the fans on here were against.

Here's the problem I have with passing the blame, most of yall applauded these moves at the time. The FO gets pressured into moves by the fans/media in NYC, then gets slammed for them even though it was moves that you all loved, like if I were to up posts I'm sure most of you were calling the Noah signing great, but now it's viewed as awful. I blame Melo a lot because you all say he's a superstar, I said he wasn't and most of the moves you all loved at the time are things I had the face for including trading all those players + pick(s) for him.

Every move the Knicks have made has been in relation to Melo's timetable, and while you may want to trade him now, I'm sure you didn't want to 2-3 years ago. Building around Melo is the biggest mistake the FO made, but the vast majority of Knick fans didn't want to move him, and the FO would have gotten slammed for that too.

I don't think building around Melo was the BIGGEST mistake the made. I think there were at least two decisions prior to that (in the Melo era) that were bigger. Even decisions they DIDN'T make (see Kyle Lowry) were probably bigger. I'd say it's at least top 4 or 5 though.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is that they don't know how to cut their losses and compound their mistakes. Most front offices make bad decisions. What determines your fate is how you handle it after that mistake has been made.

 

[Malta]

I don't think building around Melo was the BIGGEST mistake the made. I think there were at least two decisions prior to that (in the Melo era) that were bigger. Even decisions they DIDN'T make (see Kyke Lowry) were probably bigger. I'd say it's at least top 4 or 5 though.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is that they don't know how to cut their losses and compound their mistakes. Most front offices make bad decisions. What determines your fate is how you handle it after that mistake has been made.

Nah, building around him is the biggest mistake, he's a number 2, a great number 2 but the fact of the matter is he doesn't do anything at a high level but score which makes building around him difficult. Especially when you give up so much to get him.


If they traded for Lowry they don't have Kristaps today, but I do agree with you that they don't know when to cut their losses, Melo still being a Knick is a testament to that.

 

[Liquid]

I don't think building around Melo was the BIGGEST mistake the made. I think there were at least two decisions prior to that (in the Melo era) that were bigger. Even decisions they DIDN'T make (see Kyke Lowry) were probably bigger. I'd say it's at least top 4 or 5 though.

The biggest problem with the Knicks is that they don't know how to cut their losses and compound their mistakes. Most front offices make bad decisions. What determines your fate is how you handle it after that mistake has been made.

Resigning Melo was the biggest mistake. No doubt about it.

I am not sure why people have such a tough time realizing that Melo is not a player you build around and that was clearly evident at the time that payday was about to hit. It does what it always does to the Knicks...it keeps a "star" and the knicks into that shytty 8-12th spot in the draft in where you can get lucky with a pick, but almost never truly draft a star.

The only reason the knicks got Porzingis is because Melo was hurt, if he was playing? Yeah...probably in that 7-10th spot range and most likely lose Porzingis as well. fukk around and draft Willie-Cauley Stein and shyt. Tim Hardaway Jr being a hero at the end of that season didn't help either. I didn't forget

 

[pimpineasy]

Nah, building around him is the biggest mistake, he's a number 2, a great number 2 but the fact of the matter is he doesn't do anything at a high level but score which makes building around him difficult. Especially when you give up so much to get him.


If they traded for Lowry they don't have Kristaps today, but I do agree with you that they don't know when to cut their losses, Melo still being a Knick is a testament to that.

Most people confuse value of an asset with the price of said asset.
Melos value is what it is. The issue is we overpaid for it.

For example a box of cornflakes has value but it's price is not $1000

Trading away oyr core was a bad move. But resigning melody was way worse since we overpaid for an asset whose shelf life was 4 years

 

[Prodyson]

Even with the points you guys make (which may be valid) I still don't agree.

Worse decisions, in my opinion:

Trading for Melo instead of waiting for him to be a free agent

Amnestying Billups instead of Amare

Not trading for Lowry and instead givng up a first round pick for Bargnani

I think those were all worse because not only did they make the team worse almost immediately, they also hamstrung the future of the organization.

Even if they did trade for Melo, but then they didn't make any of those other mistakes, theyd be at least eastern conference contenders 9 times out of 10. Melo may not be a number 1 option now, but up until 2 years ago he was a sure-fire 1B option.

 

[qnsfinest]

People gonna look funny in the light when two superstars in their primes with cousins and AD can't even grab the shytty 8th spot in the west. Lose to the mavs who are in the bottom 5.

But shyt on melo because he struggled to make the playoffs with jr smith as his 2nd best player in the knicks.

There's superstars in this league who are blessed to play with other superstars or even all star players and still can't get shyt done but melo is the loser.

FOH

 

[Miles Davis]

I'm always happy to see my team win. At the end of the day whether I'm rooting for them to win or lose, I have no power over the outcome. At all.

But I do watch the games. So if they win, good. If they lose

But I'm not one of these dudes sitting here like

Everytime the Knicks hit a shot. Some miserable ass shyt

If we're meant to lose than we will. If Phil wanted to up those chances, he should have made trades. I'm not blaming the players anymore. Blame the front office. Let the players play.

This is what I'm saying, Phil has no direction. He made no moves, the season is a wash and he's not even gonna let the rooks get playing time in an attempt at developing them and getting a better draft position.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Most people confuse value of an asset with the price of said asset.
Melos value is what it is. The issue is we overpaid for it.

For example a box of cornflakes has value but it's price is not $1000

Trading away oyr core was a bad move. But resigning melody was way worse since we overpaid for an asset whose shelf life was 4 years

I like cornflakes.

 

[Malta]

People gonna look funny in the light when two superstars in their primes with cousins and AD can't even grab the shytty 8th spot in the west. Lose to the mavs who are in the bottom 5.

But shyt on melo because he struggled to make the playoffs with jr smith as his 2nd best player in the knicks.

There's superstars in this league who are blessed to play with other superstars or even all star players and still can't get shyt done but melo is the loser.

FOH

Cousins and Davis have played two games together, you're really trying to compare the situations?

 

[onelastdeath]

People gonna look funny in the light when two superstars in their primes with cousins and AD can't even grab the shytty 8th spot in the west. Lose to the mavs who are in the bottom 5.

But shyt on melo because he struggled to make the playoffs with jr smith as his 2nd best player in the knicks.

There's superstars in this league who are blessed to play with other superstars or even all star players and still can't get shyt done but melo is the loser.

FOH

I'm saying.

I see all these players who are so much better than him. With more help, and the same and often less success

 

[onelastdeath]

Cousins and Davis have played two games together, you're really trying to compare the situations?

Cousins prior to the Pelicans is what he's saying. He's never won more than what 32 games as a starter? But is somehow so much better to build around than Melo

Remind you, these guys are in their primes as well.

MELO in his prime was good for the playoffs every year in the west with The Spurs, Lakers, and Suns.