My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[onelastdeath]

2-3 wins could be the difference between getting Josh Jackson or Miles Bridges.

that's fine. I'm still not rooting for guys on my team to fail. If we lose, we lose. Regardless of the side I'm cheering for the outcome won't change. But I'm not gonna actively root against players on my team

 

[Malta]

I'm always happy to see my team win. At the end of the day whether I'm rooting for them to win or lose, I have no power over the outcome. At all.

But I do watch the games. So if they win, good. If they lose

But I'm not one of these dudes sitting here like

Everytime the Knicks hit a shot. Some miserable ass shyt

If we're meant to lose than we will. If Phil wanted to up those chances, he should have made trades. I'm not blaming the players anymore. Blame the front office. Let the players play.

You should be angry when they win at this point in the season, we're not at the start, the season is over for the Knicks and there's no point in this team making the playoffs. Right now, it should be all about the development of young players and making progress for next season, and that progress should be centered around getting a top 5 pick.


What trade could he make? Most of yall don't even want to move Melo to begin with.

 

[onelastdeath]

Who said that? I know the players don't tank I'm simply rooting for them to lose because it's extremely important for the future of the franchise

This team getting the 11th pick and a decent player isn't gonna help the future. This team needs anothe difference maker

That's your right to root for them to lose breh.

I'm saying whether you root for them to lose, or I root for them to play their best game, that doesn't change the outcome of the game. If I could hope my way to 50 wins, I would. But we can't. But as long as I'm watching I'm not having the mindset where I'm hoping for L's.

 

[onelastdeath]

You should be angry when they win at this point in the season, we're not at the start, the season is over for the Knicks and there's no point in this team making the playoffs. Right now, it should be all about the development of young players and making progress for next season, and that progress should be centered around getting a top 5 pick.


What trade could he make? Most of yall don't even want to move Melo to begin with.

I'm not a GM. You're not a GM. On pres of b.o. That's not our job. That's his job.

I would have been fine with moving MELO. Honestly.

I corn know what trade he could make, that's his job to know. He's the one behind the scenes getting the calls.

I'm ready for next season too. And if we really as bad as people say we are im sure we'll lose enough games.

 

[Columbo]

Knicks would be a 10 to 15 win team without Melo, haters fall back or fall off the map

 

[Malta]

I'm not a GM. You're not a GM. On pres of b.o. That's not our job. That's his job.

I would have been fine with moving MELO. Honestly.

I corn know what trade he could make, that's his job to know. He's the one behind the scenes getting the calls.

I'm ready for next season too. And if we really as bad as people say we are im sure we'll lose enough games.

Last night was an awful win, so when I see dudes celebrating that kind of shyt and being like "What yall got to say about melo now" it just leaves me like The bottom of the NBA is too tightly packed right now to be winning games like that, last night was the difference between having the 5th pick or the 9th pick, the Knicks are in a position where they could move into the top 4, and should be doing everything in their power to do it.

Knicks would be a 10 to 15 win team without Melo, haters fall back or fall off the map

"Melo got us the 13th pick, what now haters?"

 

[onelastdeath]

Knicks would be a 10 to 15 win team without Melo, haters fall back or fall off the map

Melo got us the 13th pick, what now haters?

I think the point breh is trying to make is that it's just a bad team, yet one guy gets all of the blame for some reason. Like he's player and GM.

For the Knicks to be a playoff team. They'd have to be as good as they are now, without MELO.

His offensive brilliance makes them the team that they are. Bad. But far too talented to be flat out abysmal.

Which is why Phil needs to be blamed. Made no sense to sign Noah, and Trade for Rose. Zero sense.

KP hasn't taken the leap a lot of people expected either.

Not to mention MELO isnt MELO of old, but still very good.

You telling me if you were in charge of the Knicks you'd have made the moves that Phil Jackson has?

And I agree. They should do everything possible to get a top 4 pick. Only, you can't expect players to lose on purpose. So that responsibility falls on the front office. What can the players do to get that pick? Nothing. The front office dropped the Ball. (Again)

 

[Frump]

This is why I wanted Melo traded even for spare parts

He's good enough to take over and win a few games against these awful teams

 

[Malta]

I think the point breh is trying to make is that it's just a bad team, yet one guy gets all of the blame for some reason. Like he's player and GM.

For the Knicks to be a playoff team. They'd have to be as good as they are now, without MELO.

His offensive brilliance makes them the team that they are. Bad. But far too talented to be flat out abysmal.

Which is why Phil needs to be blamed. Made no sense to sign Noah, and Trade for Rose. Zero sense.

KP hasn't taken the leap a lot of people expected either.

Not to mention MELO isnt MELO of old, but still very good.

You telling me if you were in charge of the Knicks you'd have made the moves that Phil Jackson has?

And I agree. They should do everything possible to get a top 4 pick. Only, you can't expect players to lose on purpose. So that responsibility falls on the front office. What can the players do to get that pick? Nothing. The front office dropped the Ball. (Again)

I never would have re-signed Melo, or I would have taken the Bulls offer for him which may have included Jimmy Butler, but that was something most of the fans on here were against.

Here's the problem I have with passing the blame, most of yall applauded these moves at the time. The FO gets pressured into moves by the fans/media in NYC, then gets slammed for them even though it was moves that you all loved, like if I were to up posts I'm sure most of you were calling the Noah signing great, but now it's viewed as awful. I blame Melo a lot because you all say he's a superstar, I said he wasn't and most of the moves you all loved at the time are things I had the face for including trading all those players + pick(s) for him.

Every move the Knicks have made has been in relation to Melo's timetable, and while you may want to trade him now, I'm sure you didn't want to 2-3 years ago. Building around Melo is the biggest mistake the FO made, but the vast majority of Knick fans didn't want to move him, and the FO would have gotten slammed for that too.

 

[Frump]

I never would have re-signed Melo, or I would have taken the Bulls offer for him which may have included Jimmy Butler, but that was something most of the fans on here were against.

Here's the problem I have with passing the blame, most of yall applauded these moves at the time. The FO gets pressured into moves by the fans/media in NYC, then gets slammed for them even though it was moves that you all loved, like if I were to up posts I'm sure most of you were calling the Noah signing great, but now it's viewed as awful. I blame Melo a lot because you all say he's a superstar, I said he wasn't and most of the moves you all loved at the time are things I had the face for including trading all those players + pick(s) for him.

Every move the Knicks have made has been in relation to Melo's timetable, and while you may want to trade him now, I'm sure you didn't want to 2-3 years ago. Building around Melo is the biggest mistake the FO made, but the vast majority of Knick fans didn't want to move him, and the FO would have gotten slammed for that too.

Also a question for Melo sychopants would be if this guy is as good as some claim then why isn't anybody willing to give up anything for him?

Can you think of any great or even really good player who on the market teams wouldn't be willing to give up anything remotely decent for?

I guess the gm's are all "haters" too and don't appreciate the greatness of Melo

 

[onelastdeath]

I never would have re-signed Melo, or I would have taken the Bulls offer for him which may have included Jimmy Butler, but that was something most of the fans on here were against.

Here's the problem I have with passing the blame, most of yall applauded these moves at the time. The FO gets pressured into moves by the fans/media in NYC, then gets slammed for them even though it was moves that you all loved, like if I were to up posts I'm sure most of you were calling the Noah signing great, but now it's viewed as awful. I blame Melo a lot because you all say he's a superstar, I said he wasn't and most of the moves you all loved at the time are things I had the face for including trading all those players + pick(s) for him.

Every move the Knicks have made has been in relation to Melo's timetable, and while you may want to trade him now, I'm sure you didn't want to 2-3 years ago.

Terrible copout and I'll tell you why breh

If a front office that is in top 3 attendance every year regardless of the teams success, makes basketball/FO decisions based on the opinions of casual fans who don't know shyt about basketball (given the fact that we're always top 3 in attendance and people actually pay to see that shyt) then that speaks to the organizations incompetence and that's what I've been getting at. It doesn't make sense anyway you slice it.

A team that struggles to maintain their fanbases interest should make basketball decisions based on the opinions of their fans. Not the franchise with arguably (maybe on par or a little bit bigger than the Lakers ) the biggest, most loyal fanbase in the entire league.

You say all the time how most people don't know shyt about basketball. The science of it. How pieces fit and move. The angles. So how does it make sense for the org. To make moves for the fans, when they don't even have to do that to keep us interested.

I know it's more convienient to say, "they made these decisions for the fans", but in reality that's not the case. They're just bad decisions.

We are fans. Fan is short for fanatic. We are supposed to be irrational, obsessive, and passionate. And all that blinds you when it comes down to making basketball decisions. It blinds me. But I'm also not being made 5 million a year to make basketball decisions. For the job that Phil has done, your ass could probably do better job for cheap.

The problem is the organization. It's as simple as that.

The only reason we even were in a position to so desperAte for MELO and Amare when they arrived, is why? fukking incompetence and fukkery for the entire 00s. FROM THE ORGANIZATION. could have rebuilt then too, they chose not too. Could have had a lot of great picks out of all those shytty seasons. They chose to trade picks and make bad picks.

The organization is a cancer breh. And will be after MELO leaves as well

IF THERES ONE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WHO HAS THE SPACE AND FREEDOM TO MAKE GOOD BASKETBALL DECISIONS, ITS THE KNICKS.

 

[DPresidential]

My man O'Quinn was overwhelmed with emotion with that win last night.


Brehs, this organization never belonged to me. It belongs to Dolan and Phil. They need to tank, it's their job.

Me? I've come to really like the nikkas who are playing in uniform. And considering how the organization has shown to be fukkboys, I reevaluated whether I ever really liked the organization more than I happen to like the collection of players.

This year, I genuinely don't HATE any of the players, not even Rose or Noah. So, I'll worry about draft position in June. In the mean time, good win, brehs.

 

[Malta]

Terrible copout and I'll tell you why breh

If a front office that is in top 3 attendance every year regardless of the teams success, makes basketball/FO decisions based on the opinions of casual fans who don't know shyt about basketball (given the fact that we're always top 3 in attendance and people actually pay to see that shyt) then that speaks to the organizations incompetence and that's what I've been getting at. It doesn't make sense anyway you slice it.

A team that struggles to maintain their fanbases interest should make basketball decisions based on the opinions of their fans. Not the franchise with arguably (maybe on par or a little bit bigger than the Lakers ) the biggest, most loyal fanbase in the entire league.

You say all the time how most people don't know shyt about basketball. The science of it. How pieces fit and move. The angles. So how does it make sense for the org. To make moves for the fans, when they don't even have to do that to keep us interested.

I know it's more convienient to say, "they made these decisions for the fans", but in reality that's not the case. They're just bad decisions.

We are fans. Fan is short for fanatic. We are supposed to be irrational, obsessive, and passionate. And all that blinds you when it comes down to making basketball decisions. It blinds me. But I'm also not being made 5 million a year to make basketball decisions. For the job that Phil has done, your ass could probably do better job for cheap.

The problem is the organization. It's as simple as that.

Actually, it's quite the opposite in the NBA, teams with the top attendance are less likely to make the type of drastic moves necessary. Look at the Bulls for example, they are tops in attendance yet they refuse to blow it up, when everything is pointing in that direction. Teams that have high attendance are more likely to bend to the will of their fans and re-sign guys, or do moves to "win now" to appease fans.

It's not a copout at all, I've argued with most of you on these moves the day they happened and the majority of you loved them, no matter how awful they were. The Noah signing was absolutely terrible and I remember saying that and having #Knickstape tell me about how great he was, and how he'd be a great passer in the triangle and all this other bullshyt.

If they had signed Dewayne Dedmon or Bismack Biyombo over Noah most of you would have lost it, it's a lose lose situation for teams with fans like the Knicks. The bad moves that involve over the hill big names are applauded at the time they're made by the fans, and then they get shytted on a year or two later when they turn out to be the bad moves that they were. If they had moved Melo for Jimmy Butler yall would have lost your shyt, because the benefits of those kind of moves aren't seen for a year or two, and yall have zero patience as a fanbase for the type of moves necessary to build a real winner. I mean just look at this thread right now, how many people still want to make the playoffs over securing a top 5 pick

 

[storyteller]

Once I saw Philly's starting line-up, I figured the tank would take a hit on this one. That it took near 40 points and a game winner from Melo is a silver lining to me; if it takes that much to beat THAT Sixers team they fielded last night...the tank oughtta be in good shape on most nights. The Knicks need to start randomly resting Melo on nights against teams like this and they can get into a really nice draft slot.

 

[Youngdev]

Once I saw Philly's starting line-up, I figured the tank would take a hit on this one. That it took near 40 points and a game winner from Melo is a silver lining to me; if it takes that much to beat THAT Sixers team they fielded last night...the tank oughtta be in good shape on most nights. The Knicks need to start randomly resting Melo on nights against teams like this and they can get into a really nice draft slot.

Didn't that same sixers team smoke washington the night before. Why it is surprising that it took that much to beat them...