A post like this shows that you fundamentally do not understand how the NBA works.
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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A post like this shows that you fundamentally do not understand how the NBA works.
onelastdeath
Banned
Bullshyt. If you know a player wants to play for your franchise, and the team he's on doesn't want him to walk away for nothing, it literally makes no sense to gut your roster for him.
It would only make sense if he didn't want to go to the team.
GhostoftheMan
Superstar
Why are they trying to get another multi year contract bum guard 
Calderon should've shown you it's just gonna be a hinderance in the future. I don't want a nikka that can't shoot mentoring my rookie pg. These nikkas make one move to fix their previous move just to make new problems
Calderon should've shown you it's just gonna be a hinderance in the future. I don't want a nikka that can't shoot mentoring my rookie pg. These nikkas make one move to fix their previous move just to make new problems
To be clear, brehs...
I WANT a premier rookie PG starting next year. Second only to a premier rookie 2 way SF starting next year.
Anything involving Rubio would be for him to distribute for our bench and help facilitate.(Redundant statement but somehow makes sense. lol)
W/ respect to Rose and letting him go now, I've argued w/ @Malta & @I.V. but I have to concede[1] that free agents weren't coming here before...and now with this new Phil shyt, they definitely aren't coming unless we agree to ridiculous Noah contracts...
Clearly the benefit of not moving Rose is - it would be 20 mill coming off the books, but if yall want a plan to sign a veteran point guard, just remember where salaries are right now:
Atlanta is paying a mediocre Bazemore(sf) - $17 million average salary over the next few years.
Unless you see the above mid-level player contract trend changing to the Knicks benefit, obtaining Ricky Rubio with a locked in salary of $14 million per year not only won't hurt as much if he's relegated to the bench but he's serviceable enough to be very trade-able w/ each year closer to the end of his contract.
To put all my cards on the table, my realistic somewhat happy scenario would be:
[1] And I despise conceding anything to Malta in a Knicks thread
[2] As a Melo fan, I would still also like a Melo to retire a Knick and still be year w/ our youngings. I don't care about the criticism.
[3] Of course having our future PG drafted in this draft is the perfect consolation prize for this year but if, depending on draft position, Josh Jackson, or other premier wings are available and they have potential to have any combination of being a playmaker, good passer, and/or consistent defense then that's great, too
[4]Sorry, I just like his energy and when we were clicking, he was, too.)
I WANT a premier rookie PG starting next year. Second only to a premier rookie 2 way SF starting next year.
Anything involving Rubio would be for him to distribute for our bench and help facilitate.(Redundant statement but somehow makes sense. lol)
W/ respect to Rose and letting him go now, I've argued w/ @Malta & @I.V. but I have to concede[1] that free agents weren't coming here before...and now with this new Phil shyt, they definitely aren't coming unless we agree to ridiculous Noah contracts...
Clearly the benefit of not moving Rose is - it would be 20 mill coming off the books, but if yall want a plan to sign a veteran point guard, just remember where salaries are right now:
Atlanta is paying a mediocre Bazemore(sf) - $17 million average salary over the next few years.
Unless you see the above mid-level player contract trend changing to the Knicks benefit, obtaining Ricky Rubio with a locked in salary of $14 million per year not only won't hurt as much if he's relegated to the bench but he's serviceable enough to be very trade-able w/ each year closer to the end of his contract.
To put all my cards on the table, my realistic somewhat happy scenario would be:
Phil resigns before the draft. Melo outlives Phil and finally agrees to be traded post-draft[2]. KP becomes that no.1 option w/ Willy being his fellow starting front court partner. Knicks draft the best available two-way floor general[3] (or player maker if it's a SF) and Rubio(traded for Rose) gets flipped again pre-draft(Probably to Lakers ) and Jennings[4] signs for under $12 million for a couple of years. Lance Thomas/Kyle O'Quinn get traded to a winning team willing to part with youth in exchange for missing pieces to make them compete.
) and Jennings[4] signs for under $12 million for a couple of years. Lance Thomas/Kyle O'Quinn get traded to a winning team willing to part with youth in exchange for missing pieces to make them compete.[1] And I despise conceding anything to Malta in a Knicks thread
[2] As a Melo fan, I would still also like a Melo to retire a Knick and still be year w/ our youngings. I don't care about the criticism.
[3] Of course having our future PG drafted in this draft is the perfect consolation prize for this year but if, depending on draft position, Josh Jackson, or other premier wings are available and they have potential to have any combination of being a playmaker, good passer, and/or consistent defense then that's great, too
[4]Sorry, I just like his energy and when we were clicking, he was, too.)
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
Alright ill take Rubio, just no Reggie Jackson please
Ironman
#Knickstape
Again. You don't understand the NBA. Players run the nba. They ARE the commodity. They make the money. They drive revenue. They are the talent.
It is obvious that melo cares about the paycheck, he wanted to be TRADED because he wanted to maintain eligibility for a super-max deal. That is why the trade was demanded, and that is why he would have forced a trade to any decent team. He wanted the extra 40 million.
Your post ignores the financial ramifications of the trade, and try to make it all about feelings: He just "wanted" to go to new york. New York just "wanted" to sign him.
Nah man, these are business decisions. He wanted to go somewhere else, but maintain his full earning potential. If it had not been the knicks, he would have tried to get traded somewhere else -- and then THEY would have had the advantage in resigning him. What about Carmelo makes you think he would have turned down that much money? If you don't understand that, you don't really understand the league.
Which is fine.
But then talk about the game, and not the business, because you aren't on that level.
The worst part is, I agree. They should NOT have traded for Melo. They should have called his bluff, and if he went somewhere else, or didn't sign with the Knicks, they still had a nice trove of talent. But they panicked, and they panicked because Melo takes this money shyt seriously, and forced their hand. Denver could have dealt him elsewhere. And they were exploring other options. But New York had the most to lose (in theory) -- so they made the deal.
If melo wanted to go to new york, with the best possible team -- he would have signed there that offseason. They would have had a competitive roster, and would have had a puncher's shot at getting to the finals.
But he wanted to keep his supermax, so he forced them to grab him that offseason, and it doomed the team. Melo is a victim, but part of what he was victimized by -- were his own decisions.
nomoreneveragain
Superstar
Fire Mills and Hire Kupchak
I'm just going off what you said. You said "no defensive scheme could help rose" it obviously helped while in Chicago. Yea he's had multiple surgeries but with some sort legit coaching he'd play decent d.
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
I'd love to see this happen. So many people shytting on dude like he ain't got it anymore when he's been playing on par for course this season.
Illuminatos
#OVOXO
I wonder how Melo likes the weather in LA?
Walter H White
All Star
You can blame Melo for all the faults in his game, but he did the right thing with the Nuggets. Never publicly demanded a trade. He didn't force Dolan to trade for him. God forbid a player wants to maximize his earnings in a profession where anyday you can get injured on the job and lose millions in future earnings. Why in the world would Melo sacrifice his pay for a team he hadn't played for up to that point? Look at how the organization is treating him now (also Oak). Why would anyone be loyal to these teams to the point they sacrifice millions? Knicks have no one to blame but themselves.
