My Master's Wasn't Worth It

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I don't have a masters but these folks are telling their horror stories:

My Master's Wasn't Worth It - Yahoo! Finance

MBAs: A dime a dozen?

Be careful what you study. Going to grad school isn't always worth the time, effort and money.


Name: Aaron Fraser, 42
Place: Virgin Islands

I once looked at the MBA as the crème de la crème of business degrees, but now I realize I'm a dime a dozen.

I have an MBA in media management from Metropolitan College of New York and a master's in organizational leadership from Mercy College. I am in debt to the tune of $120,000, and for me, it just wasn't worth it.

After graduating, I applied for jobs in New York for at least a year. In interviews, I was either overqualified, or high risk.

I am high risk, so I'm told, because I have multiple degrees, which means it's more likely that I would pursue other means of employment if I am offered a higher salary.

I'm 42 years old, and I'm competing with 25-year-olds who have MBAs from Harvard. There are so many young people with MBAs from exclusive schools, it's very difficult for somebody like me to compete. Employers don't expect middle aged people to be innovators.

My master's is a joke


Name: Jen Smialek, 31
Place: Boston, Mass.

I work in such a completely different industry, it's a joke amongst co-workers that I have a master's in education.

I completed that degree -- which was my second master's -- in 2010, and taught for a year in Boston. It was the hardest work I've ever done, but I loved it.

A year later, it was first in, first out in terms of layoffs. I didn't have any seniority and I was unfortunately laid off.

I couldn't find another teaching job, so I returned to marketing. I had about $26,000 in student debt from that master's, and I've since paid off most of it (I completed my first master's for less than $500).

If I could go back, I wouldn't earn the education degree again. It was a good personal enrichment activity, but for someone like me who does Internet marketing, my career would benefit more from an MBA.

I work 3 part-time jobs


Name: Nick Hintz, 28
Place: Kansas City, Mo.

When I graduated from my undergraduate program in 2008, I had a bachelor's degree in psychology, which was too general to get me a job. I wanted to go into business, so I decided to earn a master's degree in human resources at the University of Minnesota.

At the time, it was rated as the number two HR school in the nation, and it cost a lot to go there. I took out $120,000 in student loans. The economy was unraveling at the time, but I hoped that over a couple years, the job market would improve.

Instead, things got worst. I graduated in 2010 at the bottom of the U.S. job market. At the time, only about half our class found jobs.

Now it's been more than two years, and I'm competing against fresh grads for entry-level positions and leadership training programs. A career counselor told me I missed the boat on getting a solid return on investment for my master's.

I have three part-time jobs. I am an unpaid volunteer in a local hospital's HR department, I'm a content manager for a video game website, and I clean typewriters... yes, typewriters.

I'm stuck with a large amount of debt, I have this fancy master's no one cares about, and I can't get the experience I need. I'm really at a loss of what to do.

My master's wasn't worth the debt


Name: Daniel Snyder, 38
Place: Chicago, Ill.

I've always been in tune with other people's emotions, so I studied psychology, hoping to be a clinician or a therapist.

I earned a bachelor's and then master's degree in clinical psychology, but at the end of my final internship, I became ill and was hospitalized for a few days. I still graduated from the program, but because I had not finished my internship, I was unable to get a license to practice as a psychologist.

I was told I could return in a year to re-start the internship process. In the meantime, I hoped I could still get a job, applying the degree to other fields that don't require a license. I sent out more than 300 applications.

It's been almost a year and I have not been able to apply my degree to any jobs in human resources, psychology consultation or even restaurant management. I am just starting school again, now for a master's degree in human resources. I've been living off credit cards essentially, acquiring about $25,000 in debt. And that's in addition to the $60,000 in student loans I acquired in grad school.

I had to sell my car. It got so bad that some points, my phone or power would be shut off.

Not only was my first master's not worth the debt, it wasn't worth the emotional journey of going through a program that requires such introspection and self reflection. If I had to do this all over again, I probably would have just gotten an HR degree instead of a social science degree.

I want to use my degree


Name: Mary LeMay, 47
Place: Stevens Point, Wisc.

After working 18 years in financial counseling, I went back to school in my 40s to earn a master's degree in community counseling.

I had always aspired to be a school counselor, but when I started the program, I was informed there were very few job openings in schools. I chose community counseling instead, because I was told it was a larger umbrella with more opportunities.

After graduating in May 2010, I knew that most counselor positions would require certification as an LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor). In Wisconsin, that would entail an additional two years and 3,000 hours working under the direction of someone in the field. I didn't know how difficult it would be to obtain that certification.

I've been looking for those positions, but it seems there are so few job opportunities for someone to become a counselor-in-training. Very few employers are willing to supervise you.

Why do graduate schools keep churning out counselors when there are so few jobs or opportunities for certification?

I funded my masters degree with $20,000 in student loans. I'm still looking forward to being able to use my degree, but I'm just wondering if that's ever going to happen.

I'm overeducated


Name: Sean Padden, 42
Place: Providence, R.I.

I have more education than I know what to do with, and I am one of the long-term unemployed who have given up hopes of finding a job.

After a double major in chemistry and microbiology as an undergrad, I earned a master's degree in molecular biology and gained teaching experience in cellular, micro, molecular and plant biology.

I thought this wide array of experience would at least get me interviews. After hundreds of applications over the past four years, I have had less than five interviews.

My solution has been to try and employ myself. I resorted going back to a high school hobby, as a job.

I'm working on starting a woodworking business that makes canes, using a special kind of diseased wood. Basically, I'm using my chemistry background to create functional pieces of art.
 

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Props. I actually needed to read this. I've been kicking around the idea of going back and getting an MBA "just to have"...
 

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More of a product of where business and society is these days. We're in a time of middle class contraction. Business doesn't want to pay you. They'd rather pay less for someone on a visa. This is causing a devaluation of education in the eyes of our society. I sincerely hope that the consequences can be quelled. There's a lot of consequence to an uneducated society than just people not pursuing degrees. Pure result of greed.
 

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I certainly wouldn't get an advanced degree just because but I'd consider it if I was experience prolonged unemployment because it would help explain the gap, possibly provide some funds (loans/grants), and have a person working towards something beneficial during that time.

I don't regret mine. A person should know what their goals are and how the degree ties in (if it's necessary), if it's the right time, and have a smart game plan as far as gaining experience and/or making connections (equally important) while getting that education. People have always said this but it really is about who you know, sometimes, it can overcome deficiencies in education or experience.

It's good to give people something things to consider, tips on what to avoid, and so on but these overly negative articles are also a means to narrow the field. Keep that in mind.
 

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scary sh*t...

Heck, I remember reading about doctors in Greece being unemployed....

If a doctor is unemployed all hope is lost....

I'm starting agree with, @She Agree That I'm Looney

Maybe we should be pushing a TEM(Technology Engineering Medicine) agenda, istead of the typical liberal arts regime :manny:
 
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Name: Aaron Fraser, 42
Place: Virgin Islands



I have an MBA in media management from Metropolitan College of New York and a master's in organizational leadership from Mercy College
. I am in debt to the tune of $120,000, and for me, it just wasn't worth it.

I never heard of that college, and I bet a lot of employers haven't either.







I completed that degree -- which was my second master's -- in 2010, and taught for a year in Boston. It was the hardest work I've ever done, but I loved it.

That's the hardest work dude has ever done. I consider him to be lazy honestly. I have done some interviews before. If he told me that, I wouldn't pay attention to anything else he said to me. Not hired.



Name: Nick Hintz, 28
Place: Kansas City, Mo.

When I graduated from my undergraduate program in 2008, I had a bachelor's degree in psychology, which was too general to get me a job. I wanted to go into business, so I decided to earn a master's degree in human resources at the University of Minnesota.

HR are usually females, and they're usually hot. Dude pick the wrong industry. He's not a hot female. What was he thinking?


Name: Mary LeMay, 47
Place: Stevens Point, Wisc.

After working 18 years in financial counseling, I went back to school in my 40s to earn a master's degree in community counseling.

I had always aspired to be a school counselor, but when I started the program, I was informed there were very few job openings in schools. I chose community counseling instead, because I was told it was a larger umbrella with more opportunities.

I'm overeducated


She's overeducated in a bunch of bullshyt that nobody cares about. She should have though about that before she spent all that money.

Name: Sean Padden, 42
Place: Providence, R.I.

After a double major in chemistry and microbiology as an undergrad, I earned a master's degree in molecular biology and gained teaching experience in cellular, micro, molecular and plant biology.

I'm working on starting a woodworking business that makes canes, using a special kind of diseased wood. Basically, I'm using my chemistry background to create functional pieces of art.

Teaching experience doesn't mean shyt. I'm more impressed with the guys woodworking business honestly.
 

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One of the rare times I'm gonna agree with Gundam....but...I dunno about this article. I feel like all of these stories are missing something and furthemore a lot of these degrees you'd know it would be difficult to find employment in by reading the Harvard Business Review, WSJ, or speaking with a semi-competent academic advisor at school. Or just by reading up on your major.

The guy with the bio and chem degrees...did he get any doctorates? Seems kinda weird, not improbable but...ehh....

Too many people trying to get degrees in things they "like" not knowing that the shyt your like or is interested in is not always in demand.
 

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Work abroad/another state. You would think someone who is about their business wouldnt restrict themselves to one particular region and demographic. :snoop:
 

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It sounds to me like these folks thought these degrees would be cheat codes to prosperity. None of em really seemed to do the math.

My parents and I have been beefing for years about me going back to school. They come from a culture in which education is everything, and the more pedigree you have, the better. But a lot of my bosses... maybe most dare I say it... just have bachelors. You move up by showing and proving, and bringing in business, at least in my industry.

The other way you move up is through certifications. I actually had a mini "this wasnt worth it" deal last year. I got 2 engineering certs and thought "alright now im gonna be able to get any job i want". Lo and behold still at my current job, but making moves.

Now more than ever, its important to have a plan. People have to figure out where they want to go, what they want to do, and how to make things happen as cheaply as possible. And people have to really look at the downsides of things. You leave the workforce, you damn sure better have a solid game plan on how to get back in. I wouldn't even think about an MBA unless it was at a top 10 school. That shyt is the grad school liberal arts degree. I would get certs though. Thats my shyt right now
 

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The paper is just paper. What do you have to show for it outside your work ethic to get a piece of paper. You would think with an MBA you could easily start a business to put on your resume, somewhere in the world, if you cant find employment locally.
 

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The paper is just paper. What do you have to show for it outside your work ethic to get a piece of paper. You would think with an MBA you could easily start a business to put on your resume, somewhere in the world, if you cant find employment locally.
Even work ethic isn't necessarily reflected by having a lot of degrees.
 

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I saw that on Yahoo this morning. It was kinda funny how some of the testominals were in total contradiction to some of the others.
But the basic message of degrees not equaling a good career after graduation is one that needs to be shared with people more often.
 

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The problem is when people think "Hey i'll get a masters, couldn't hurt right!?" Just getting a masters without a plan, or a foot in the door of a company is a bad idea. If you get an mba from some state school without already working for a company, it's a bad idea. Basically these people just thought "the more degrees I have the higher the chance I can get a good paying job!" WRONG. You need better strategy with this shyt than just collecting random degrees from colleges people never heard of.

That being said i'm glad im going into the medical field :whew:
 
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