My Husband And I Thought Education Was A Way Out Of Poverty. Now We’re $718,000 In Debt.

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401k’s are about saving to have enough money that you can survive without the income you’re used to when you’re old. Most people can’t save enough to survive more than a few weeks, so putting money aside in a regular account ain’t realistic. The tax benefits and employer contributions are in place to encourage people to save for retirement. Mentioning the early withdrawal penalties as a negative means you’ve lost sight of a 401k’s purpose.

Freedom has a price... you can save for retirement without having that tied up for the next 20-30 years. 401k benefits do not outweigh its opportunity cost.
 

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I just put their student loan amounts in one of those online calculators.

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https://studentloanhero.com/calculators/student-loan-payment-calculator/

$4,197
Monthly Payment

$810,867
Total Interest

This means your total repayment
amount would be $1,510,867
:gucci:
 

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Freedom has a price... you can save for retirement without having that tied up for the next 20-30 years. 401k benefits do not outweigh its opportunity cost.

Another positive for the 401k is tax free growth and deferred taxation. You put in pretax dollars and take out when you're making less money.

Let's say you make 100k, normally you'd pay in the 24% federal tax bracket. Once retired you'd pay taxes based on your ssa check, which I can guarantee is lesser than the 24% tax bracket. So if you save up for retirement with after tax money you're already down the 24% you paid in taxes.

It's a book called A Simple Path to Wealth that explains it better than I can and it's a good read.
 

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10 years....and they have to qualify for the program....normally they can't have defaults or deferrals....also the accounts have to be in good standing.....
It doesn't take 10 years unless you are only making like 1 payment a month. I know people who worked less than 5 years and that debt is cancelled. There are loan assistance programs that will also help you make payments. There are other options as well. It can be done. Just depends on how bad they want it.
 

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Tried to take the easy way out by going to a for profit, or atleast he thought he was :mjlol:

College was never for him, and dental school isn’t for him. Instead of getting in where he fits in, he’s out here flauging. Not everyone of us is meant to have that 150k plus salary and the big house on the hill. Now, not only is his life pretty much ruined, he’s going to bring that girl down with him :francis:

Set lil mama free, as her situation isn’t as dire.
 
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Another positive for the 401k is tax free growth and deferred taxation. You put in pretax dollars and take out when you're making less money.

I agree that is one benefit, but thats not worth the limit on LIQUIDITY. If you do not also have a taxable account you're missing out.


Let's say you make 100k, normally you'd pay in the 24% federal tax bracket. Once retired you'd pay taxes based on your ssa check, which I can guarantee is lesser than the 24% tax bracket. So if you save up for retirement with after tax money you're already down the 24% you paid in taxes.

I did this last year bro its not taxed as income.

Thats not true. Capital Gains is not taxed this way. If you own a stock or investment greater than 1 year, you do not claim this as income like your normal federal tax bracket. This is why Warren Buffett pays less in taxes than his secretary.


Tax Secrets of the 1% -- The Motley Fool

Mitt Romney's Teachable Moment on Capital Gains

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/taxes/capital-gains-tax-rates/

It's a book called A Simple Path to Wealth that explains it better than I can and it's a good read.
 

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He got a bachelors degree in Biology. And she probably did a basic science major too since they are required for pre med.
People need common sense. Nobody is hiring people with bachelors of science degree's. They hire Doctors and Professors.
Unless his goal was to be a 3rd grade Science teacher he should've taken any other degree. and she should've done the same.

What is a STEM Degree?

  • Life Sciences.
  • Accounting.
  • Civil engineering.
  • Psychology.
  • Statistics.
  • Electrical Engineering.
  • Computer Programming.

Get a stem major, but stay away from the life sciences. I'm convinced people do it because they think it's more interesting/fun, but it's also the least profitable.
 

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So this money you use to put in your brokerage account that you buy stocks with to get the capital gains, where did it come from? You had to pay income tax on it to put it on the brokerage account. The capital gains is after its invested but you have to pay payroll taxes on it to get the opportunity to invest it. Not so with a 401k.

Warren Buffett paid payroll tax on his money years ago to get where he is today. At the end of the day 401k allows you to avoid paying taxes while you're making the money your investing through tax deferment. No other saving method can say that besides 401k replacements like 403b and TSP.
 

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So this money you use to put in your brokerage account that you buy stocks with to get the capital gains, where did it come from? You had to pay income tax on it to put it on the brokerage account. The capital gains is after its invested but you have to pay payroll taxes on it to get the opportunity to invest it. Not so with a 401k.

Warren Buffett paid payroll tax on his money years ago to get where he is today. At the end of the day 401k allows you to avoid paying taxes while you're making the money your investing through tax deferment. No other saving method can say that besides 401k replacements like 403b and TSP.

Moving the goal posts bruh... The money comes from other investments bruh. I'm not saying DON'T have a 401k. My point is that the 401k has opportunity costs associated. I like the liquidity of days like to day where the stock market took a 700 point loss in a single day. I like to be able to buy bitcoin at 4500 a year ago. I like to be able to pull every dollar out and start a business.
 
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