Muslim cleric charged over sex tourism against minor

[Techniec]

welcome to higher learning where most of the threads lack intellectuality and usually consist of Islamic hate.

I'm well acquainted with HLs deficiencies unfortunately

 

[Techniec]

yeah but they dont hear you though


They love this angle so I just let them run with it...trolls gonna troll

Ironically if they would check themselves, they could actually form this into a really strong critique of Islam

 

[Mowgli]

Yeah like your slave-trading cac verdean ancestors.

That didnt destroy the planet. It spread black seed, around the world. You are of a forbidden relationship yourself but here you are, in America, spreading the gift that keeps on giving, blackness. Haw man we are really winning right now.

 

[Type Username Here]

In 6th century Arabia, a girl was considered grown once she passed puberty, this at a time when the avg life expectancy was 40 something yrs old.

What the Prophet Mohamad did was nothing outside the nom of the time

Some here seem to be upset the Prophet Mohamad never let Aisha finish her freshmen year, and attend her jr high prom

This is true. This is also the case for the Greeks for example. Some of their philosophers and mathematicians, who's contributions to the entire world is unparalleled in my opinion, most likely had sex with young boys or teenage boys, as was customary of a lot of high society back then.

The issue with me though comes in terms of the theological claims behind the Prophet's life. If he was just a man, which is what I believe, we can certainly understand the context of life back then, even if we find it repugnant.

BUT

If you wish to believe he had communications directly or indirectly with God, it seems God would have told him how basic human anatomy works and the physical and psychological trauma a young girl would go through at that age when engaging in sexual acts with a fully grown man. It seems God might have explained to him through Gabriel the process of the development of a child. Surely, we can assume the creator of all things would be familiar with these concepts.

That's just how I view it though.

 

[Techniec]

This is true. This is also the case for the Greeks for example. Some of their philosophers and mathematicians, who's contributions to the entire world is unparalleled in my opinion, most likely had sex with young boys or teenage boys, as was customary of a lot of high society back then.

The issue with me though comes in terms of the theological claims behind the Prophet's life. If he was just a man, which is what I believe, we can certainly understand the context of life back then, even if we find it repugnant.

BUT

If you wish to believe he had communications directly or indirectly with God, it seems God would have told him how basic human anatomy works and the physical and psychological trauma a young girl would go through at that age when engaging in sexual acts with a fully grown man. It seems God might have explained to him through Gabriel the process of the development of a child. Surely, we can assume the creator of all things would be familiar with these concepts.

That's just how I view it though.

^ you're 100% correct and this is what I referred to earlier when I said this issue can be fashioned into a great critique.

As you can see, this is a much more lethal critique than "hey Mohamad was a pedophile"

 

[Fillerguy]

I just feel judging historical figures outside the context in which they emerged is rather simple and problematic

I feel doing that only shows how uncomfortable you are with admitting that those you admire are flawed, kind of like how a 11 year old is set on believing his parents dont make mistakes. Its childish

 

[the cac mamba]

^ you're 100% correct and this is what I referred to earlier when I said this issue can be fashioned into a great critique.

As you can see, this is a much more lethal critique than "hey Mohamad was a pedophile"

yo breh thats what i was saying the whole time but you seemed to miss the point that i was trying to make, which was that shyt was from an ANATOMY standpoint. i never said pedophile or underage or anything pertaining to that argument

 

[Mowgli]

Whos more of a detriment to the world. Cac leaders or Muslims.

 

[thekingsmen]

Organized Atheism is actually older than Christianity and Islam. We have clear historical records of atheists in Asia (not Europe, notice) as early as 600 BC. So all this talk about atheism being a European, new age invention is not accurate.

Bring it forward.

 

[The Real]

Bring it forward.

There was a group of Indian philosophers who rejected the idea of gods, afterlife, souls, held that the natural elements were the only ingredients of all things, and that only direct sensory perception could be trusted as an approach to truth. They actively mocked people who believed in supernatural phenomenon and argued that priests and religious leaders were just businesspeople preying on the gullible. And they date back to earlier than 600 BC, but that is a safe date for establishing the period when they started writing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cārvāka

 

[thekingsmen]

There was a group of Indian philosophers who rejected the idea of gods, afterlife, souls, held that the natural elements were the only ingredients of all things, and that only direct sensory perception could be trusted as an approach to truth. They actively mocked people who believed in supernatural phenomenon and argued that priests and religious leaders were just businesspeople preying on the gullible. And they date back to earlier than 600 BC, but that is a safe date for establishing the period when they started writing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cārvāka

Hindu Version of Materialism. Great School of Thought...

 

[The Real]

Hindu Version of Materialism. Great School of Thought...

That's your opinion. The point is that you were wrong when you said that atheism was a new age phenomenon invented by white people, when in fact it's much older than major religions like Christianity and Islam.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

In 6th century Arabia, a girl was considered grown once she passed puberty, this at a time when the avg life expectancy was 40 something yrs old.

What the Prophet Mohamad did was nothing outside the nom of the time

Some here seem to be upset the Prophet Mohamad never let Aisha finish her freshmen year, and attend her jr high prom

breh i realize this argument is taking place primarily to troll muslims etc but 9 years old is NOT anywhere near past puberty, even by old world standards

 

[thekingsmen]

That's your opinion. The point is that you were wrong when you said that atheism was a new age phenomenon invented by white people, when in fact it's much older than major religions like Christianity and Islam.

The info never said it was full blown atheism since it was under Hinduism which is a religion. Sadly Materialism is worshiping shiny objects. Therefor your Atheism logic falls off the map when these men was to golds and other metals.

Also if you know anything about New Age Religion....Atheism is apart of that. New Age doesn't mean new which obviously you don't understand. New Age is a term for Re-Packaged Theology to fit modern times. But I wouldn't expect you to believe Atheism is really re-packaged religion.

 

[The Real]

The info never said it was full blown atheism since it was under Hinduism which is a religion.

Read the article, please. Its status as "Hindu" is in dispute because of what the term Hinduism means- it's just an umbrella term for beliefs that originate in the Indian subcontinent. By your logic, American atheists must also be Hindus since many of them believe the exact same things that these ancient philosophers believed.

Maybe you can explain why a view that holds that gods, souls, an afterlife, and the supernatural don't exist doesn't qualify as "full-blown atheism?"

Sadly Materialism is worshiping shiny objects. Therefor you Atheism logic falls off the map when these men was to golds and other metals.

There are many different uses of the word materialism. The one meant by the article is found here:Materialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (as you can see, this article cites those same philosophers as well)

Philosophical materialism is the view that reality consists of matter/energy and nothing else. In the article, their adherence to this belief is made clear, while there are no references to "shiny objects."

@Type Username Here, you might be interested in my previous post as it relates to something we discussed briefly recently.