DaveyDave
Superstar
you don’t know how to google breh
Music lovers have been duped into paying $120 a year for lesser quality music
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you don’t know how to google breh
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
The vinyl you're hearing today is bs compared to that of the past. Original presses that I've had since high school sound 10x better than their represses on vinyl. I can upload an example for you if you like in wav format. Most of the represses they are selling(if not 99% of them) are made from cds and they boost the volume creating distortion. The only time you're gonna get a great repress is if it states, it was mastered from the original tapes. And even then, 99% of the time they are lying
. I can pick an album I have the original pressing on cd/vinyl and repress on vinyl to let you choose between them. I always use the same needed and volume settings for both records.
You talking to someone who used to sit around going thru reprints and remasters looking for the best versions of albums. I know what you mean.The vinyl you're hearing today is bs compared to that of the past. Original presses that I've had since high school sound 10x better than their represses on vinyl. I can upload an example for you if you like in wav format. Most of the represses they are selling(if not 99% of them) are made from cds and they boost the volume creating distortion. The only time you're gonna get a great repress is if it states, it was mastered from the original tapes. And even then, 99% of the time they are lying
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
A lot of hipsters are getting into collecting physical media again. An Illmatic cassette tape recently sold for $140. Then you have Ras Kass' Soul on Ice being sold for outrageous prices. Vinyl prices are ridiculous, especially for sealed albums.
The War Report
NewNewYork
I see a lot of misinformation flying around here, respectfully.
When it comes to vinyl, it is not king. CD has more dynamic range than vinyl ever could, handles more music information vs the limited time you have per side of a vinyl. Vinyl just doesn't have a limit on the frequency response that goes upward of 23-24khz meanwhile CD is capped at 21khz.
As humans we only hear up to 20-21 and that's the best case scenario, most people who have good hearing are in the 17-19 range and it deteriorates as you age and depending upon how you treat your ears. So if you're blasting airpods at full volume all day with shytty files, blasting music in your car or you're a regular concert goer, you're likely at the 15-16 mark already, you may as well be using sup par-decent mp3s.
Vinyl also ages with every use just like tape, not CDs. There has been some report over the years of CD rot after like 30 years, but people in this thread would attest otherwise.
The real king of today is FLAC, that's the file you rip from CDs with no quality loss so no need for physical space being occupied outside of a drive or really high capacity sd cards. I have a 512GB for my phone and I'm about to upgrade to 1TB on black Friday, I got 22k tracks and counting mostly FLAC quality on my phone. Still got the streaming services for sampling music.
And honestly you don't even need that for the best sound quality, I just do that cause I know for sure it's the best quality and I also share playlists between my computer and phone, so for simplicity between those two I just don't scale it down.
If it wasn't for that I'd be using AAC 256 (itunes quality) copies from those FLAC files. Mp3 can sound pretty much almost as good or indistinguishable today at 256-320 (use 320 or V0 which is variable rate around 224). Variable adjusts to how many kilobits per second you need based on the complexity of the music at hand. That's the reason why mp3s at the same bitrate or even less like 128-192 sound better today than say 10 years or more ago is because of advances in the psychoacoustic algorithms.
When it comes to vinyl, it is not king. CD has more dynamic range than vinyl ever could, handles more music information vs the limited time you have per side of a vinyl. Vinyl just doesn't have a limit on the frequency response that goes upward of 23-24khz meanwhile CD is capped at 21khz.
As humans we only hear up to 20-21 and that's the best case scenario, most people who have good hearing are in the 17-19 range and it deteriorates as you age and depending upon how you treat your ears. So if you're blasting airpods at full volume all day with shytty files, blasting music in your car or you're a regular concert goer, you're likely at the 15-16 mark already, you may as well be using sup par-decent mp3s.
Vinyl also ages with every use just like tape, not CDs. There has been some report over the years of CD rot after like 30 years, but people in this thread would attest otherwise.
The real king of today is FLAC, that's the file you rip from CDs with no quality loss so no need for physical space being occupied outside of a drive or really high capacity sd cards. I have a 512GB for my phone and I'm about to upgrade to 1TB on black Friday, I got 22k tracks and counting mostly FLAC quality on my phone. Still got the streaming services for sampling music.
And honestly you don't even need that for the best sound quality, I just do that cause I know for sure it's the best quality and I also share playlists between my computer and phone, so for simplicity between those two I just don't scale it down.
If it wasn't for that I'd be using AAC 256 (itunes quality) copies from those FLAC files. Mp3 can sound pretty much almost as good or indistinguishable today at 256-320 (use 320 or V0 which is variable rate around 224). Variable adjusts to how many kilobits per second you need based on the complexity of the music at hand. That's the reason why mp3s at the same bitrate or even less like 128-192 sound better today than say 10 years or more ago is because of advances in the psychoacoustic algorithms.
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Day_Walker
All Star
Yea that's what I'm doing. Harder to find older songs. There's a lot of mixtapes and albums i lost when 1 of hard drives stopped working. Also have to go on random websites trying to find the link. Would be good if there was a single website or something.
I had copped Pinata and Bandana from Tower Records. They both came in the mail today and I did the car test with Apple Music vs. CD and wow the results are crazy. The CD sounded so much louder and crisper at lower volumes than streaming it from Apple Music. It's like my speakers take a break when I'm streaming and they just come alive when I play a CD.
What’s a cd?
Renegade47
Superstar
streaming services compress the audio.
whenever i want to hear numbers on the boards by pusha i put the CD in. it dont bang right on streaming.
Jone2three45
Supporter
AIFF, FLAC, ALAC is a no go for me.
AIFF is still a compressed file format and it doesn’t sound better than WAV to me.
FLAC and ALAC requires a device that’s capable of unzipping the file in real time during playback, that requires resources and it doesn’t sound better than WAV to me.
I don’t look twice at AAC and MP3.
WAV will always be the superior file format to me.
Unless you have a nice external dac and amp connected to a device with enough resources capable of handling Hi-Res playback then I wouldn’t look twice at it.
CD’s are one of the superior mediums compared to streaming, and sounds 10x better than it does in it’s current state.
Not only do you have CD playback, but you own the CD and can rip the files into any format you’d like. CD’s are looked down on today, but there is no better sounding medium that has ease of play, and that you could backup for archival purposes.
Vinyl is where it’s at, but just like CD and Hi-Res playback you need nice equipment to take advantage of it.
As someone stated earlier most vinyl modern presses are digital and it’s source come from a CD rip.
There are companies who take pride in what they do and make new presses from the original recording. So they are out there but you have to know how to look for them.
This conversation reminds me how old heads hated when DVD’s and Component came out and thought that VHS Tapes and S-Video we’re still a better format and produced a better image. It may be some truth in that, who knows.
Nice thread!
AIFF is still a compressed file format and it doesn’t sound better than WAV to me.
FLAC and ALAC requires a device that’s capable of unzipping the file in real time during playback, that requires resources and it doesn’t sound better than WAV to me.
I don’t look twice at AAC and MP3.
WAV will always be the superior file format to me.
Unless you have a nice external dac and amp connected to a device with enough resources capable of handling Hi-Res playback then I wouldn’t look twice at it.
CD’s are one of the superior mediums compared to streaming, and sounds 10x better than it does in it’s current state.
Not only do you have CD playback, but you own the CD and can rip the files into any format you’d like. CD’s are looked down on today, but there is no better sounding medium that has ease of play, and that you could backup for archival purposes.
Vinyl is where it’s at, but just like CD and Hi-Res playback you need nice equipment to take advantage of it.
As someone stated earlier most vinyl modern presses are digital and it’s source come from a CD rip.
There are companies who take pride in what they do and make new presses from the original recording. So they are out there but you have to know how to look for them.
This conversation reminds me how old heads hated when DVD’s and Component came out and thought that VHS Tapes and S-Video we’re still a better format and produced a better image. It may be some truth in that, who knows.
Nice thread!
Jone2three45
Supporter
I talked all that shyt and I’m back to Apple Music
They got out of print cds I love like Ghetty Green and Mista Don’t Play. Imagine buying those albums used for $60 a pop.
What I said about sound quality still stands tho CD and Vinyl is better sounding.
I bought Mista Don’t Play for $5-$8 used like a year ago. Where are they priced $60 at?
I bought Mista Don’t Play for $5-$8 used like a year ago. Where are they priced $60 at?
Where did you get it from?
Ebay and Discogs prices are ridiculous
My plan is to get my setup with a nice turntable, cd player, and AV receiver with streaming capabilities. Streaming has it's place but it needs to be said that in terms of quality it's definitely a step backward.