murder in the bible - all the :snoop: passages

[Marvel]

How come Christians get attacked but you never challenge jewish people. The Talud is their bread and butter.


O yea, you know better Cowards.

lol, true. Nobody attacks the Jews but these are the books they follow, yet Christians get attack for the first 5 books in the bible all day.

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[Robbie3000]

2 Kings
23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

God sends two she bears to kill forty two kids for calling Elisha "Baldhead". It's obvious this nikka got anger issues and should seek immediate help.

 

[Robbie3000]

If you want someone, as myself, who has studied religious books suchas the bible, quran, bhagavadgita etc. to take you seriously you need to come at this topic at a different angle. It's competely pointless to grab a piece of the book, take it out of it's context without understanding when, where and why it was written and critize Christians or any other religious groups for it.

Also, I don't know why you would give examples from the old testament and ask Christians to justify it when Christians follow the new testament and to be honest, from what I've learned most Christians feels that the old testament is an important historical book and does not base their faith on that book.

Edit: Also, to understand Christians view on the old testament you'd also have to factor in Jesus and how he changed everything with his arrival to the world. He was a rebel who challanged the norm of the society and abolished many of the laws that were set in the old testament. Ponder this, Jesus, Gods son, was doing work on the sabbath and was friends with hookers and treated them with respect. Do you understand what kind of change he stands for? This is stuff you would get punished for in the old testament, and in the new testament you have Gods son doing all of this.

So God = Jesus came to abolish his own laws? Laws that he demanded be followed for thousands of years prior? Why give the laws in the first place?

 

[SwagKingKong]

So God = Jesus came to abolish his own laws? Laws that he demanded be followed for thousands of years prior? Why give the laws in the first place?

The thing is, those laws were made for the chosen people = jewish people. Jesus didn't abolish the law for them, they still follow these rules as they have the old testament as one of their focal points for their faith.

Jesus was preaching to everyone, not just jewish people and there was no reason for non-jewish people to follow these laws. Christianity needs to be seperated from Judaism here. Jesus was a rebel who did work on the sabbath, went against the norms of the society and socialized with hookers etc. I interpret his story as he knew he was going to die and was sacrifizing himself for us, so we did not have to live by these laws.. does that make any sense? Not sure if I can explain it any better..

It's a complex story but it can all be understood if you dig deeper into the context it was written and how they lived etc. during this period of time. It's nothing like todays society.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

The thing is, those laws were made for the chosen people = jewish people. Jesus didn't abolish the law for them, they still follow these rules as they have the old testament as one of their focal points for their faith.

Jesus was preaching to everyone, not just jewish people and there was no reason for non-jewish people to follow these laws. Christianity needs to be seperated from Judaism here. Jesus was a rebel who did work on the sabbath, went against the norms of the society and socialized with hookers etc. I interpret his story as he knew he was going to die and was sacrifizing himself for us, so we did not have to live by these laws.. does that make any sense? Not sure if I can explain it any better..

It's a complex story but it can all be understood if you dig deeper into the context it was written and how they lived etc. during this period of time. It's nothing like todays society.

And that's why it's useless

 

[SwagKingKong]

And that's why it's useless

Well, I can see why someone would think that but actually the texts are very valuable nomatter if you're a jew, christian or atheist.

There are many factual things that can help us understand our history and understand how people lived back then etc. They're definitely not useless whether you believe everything or not.

 

[Robbie3000]

The thing is, those laws were made for the chosen people = jewish people. Jesus didn't abolish the law for them, they still follow these rules as they have the old testament as one of their focal points for their faith.

Jesus was preaching to everyone, not just jewish people and there was no reason for non-jewish people to follow these laws. Christianity needs to be seperated from Judaism here. Jesus was a rebel who did work on the sabbath, went against the norms of the society and socialized with hookers etc. I interpret his story as he knew he was going to die and was sacrifizing himself for us, so we did not have to live by these laws.. does that make any sense? Not sure if I can explain it any better..

It's a complex story but it can all be understood if you dig deeper into the context it was written and how they lived etc. during this period of time. It's nothing like todays society.

You do realize that God and Jesus are the same right? Let's look at the law as given by God = Jesus in the Old Testament.

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

So God = Jesus demands capital punishment for working on Sabbath, but then he proceeds to shyt all over his own laws a few thousand years later by working on the Sabbath.

And people wonder why we laugh at the religious.

 

[SwagKingKong]

You do realize that God and Jesus are the same right? Let's look at the law as given by God = Jesus in the Old Testament.



So God = Jesus demands capital punishment for working on Sabbath, but then he proceeds to shyt all over his own laws a few thousand years later by working on the Sabbath.

And people wonder why we laugh at the religious.

Wow, no I did not realize they were the same. You changed my whole world-view. Don't come at me with this basic stuff man..

Yes, in Christianity Jesus is God. This doesn't mean that Jesus himself put down the original laws. Jesus is Gods son and therefore he's God in another form (father, son and holy spirit). It doesn't make sense to say that Jesus was shytting on the laws he, himself had written as he was created after those laws were created. If you can't understand the concept of the father, son and holy spirit it's difficult to explain this because you need to understand this and not simply just say "Jesus is God therefore the message he preached in the new testament contradicts the message he preached in the old testament".

It wasn't that he completely neglected every law by God, he simply meant that jewish people DID NOT have to live by these laws as they were created for jewish people. Jesus was mostly preaching to heathens (every non-jewish person during this period of time). So if you consider who he's talking to, it makes sense that he would say that you could do work on the sabbath. Again, I can't stress this enough, the laws in the old testament is for the chosen people (jews). Jesus was sent to talk to everyone. and came with a different message than earlier, i.e. you've heard eye for an eye but I tell you to turn the other cheek etc.

And to further clear things up, the work he did on the sabbath was to heal someone on the sabbath. That's the evidence we have of him working on a sabbath.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

It doesn't make sense to say that Jesus was shytting on the laws he, himself had written as he was created after those laws were created. If you can't understand the concept of the father, son and holy spirit it's difficult to explain this because you need to understand this and not simply just say "Jesus is God therefore the message he preached in the new testament contradicts the message he preached in the old testament".

let me help you understand his point...and its a very simple point that needs to be clarified

what he's asking is: do the father, son and holy spirit all have different physical and mental states

in other words, when you say "Jesus was created after those laws," then you're asserting that the existence of Jesus as a physical AND mental state did not exist prior to Mary's pregnancy

But if this isn't true, and Jesus did exist at least in a conscious mind state as "one being within the father" then you're conceding that he did in some way, shape, form or fashion have an influence on the laws that he eventually led "non jews" away from

but you can't have both.

 

[SwagKingKong]

let me help you understand his point...and its a very simple point that needs to be clarified

what he's asking is: do the father, son and holy spirit all have different physical and mental states

in other words, when you say "Jesus was created after those laws," then you're asserting that the existence of Jesus as a physical AND mental state did not exist prior to Mary's pregnancy

But if this isn't true, and Jesus did exist at least in a conscious mind state as "one being within the father" then you're conceding that he did in some way, shape, form or fashion have an influence on the laws that he eventually led "non jews" away from

but you can't have both.

Well, I do believe that what we can read from the bible is that the existance of Jesus as a physical and mental state did not exist prior to Marys' pregnancy. Not sure though, believe it or not but I don't remember the whole bible word for word, lol.

But anyhow, IF we play around with the thought of him existing in a mental state and he did have influence on the laws he eventually lead heathens away from, why does this matter? Like I've stated plenty of times before, the laws were created for jews. He wasn't telling jews not to follow them, so again why does this matter if he did exist before? I don't get it.

 

[Robbie3000]

Wow, no I did not realize they were the same. You changed my whole world-view. Don't come at me with this basic stuff man..

Yes, in Christianity Jesus is God. This doesn't mean that Jesus himself put down the original laws. Jesus is Gods son and therefore he's God in another form (father, son and holy spirit). It doesn't make sense to say that Jesus was shytting on the laws he, himself had written as he was created after those laws were created. If you can't understand the concept of the father, son and holy spirit it's difficult to explain this because you need to understand this and not simply just say "Jesus is God therefore the message he preached in the new testament contradicts the message he preached in the old testament".

It wasn't that he completely neglected every law by God, he simply meant that jewish people DID NOT have to live by these laws as they were created forjewish people. Jesus was mostly preaching to heathens (every non-jewish person during this period of time). So if you consider who he's talking to, it makes sense that he would say that you could do work on the sabbath. Again, I can't stress this enough, the laws in the old testament is for the chosen people (jews). Jesus was sent to talk to everyone. and came with a different
message than earlier, i.e. you've heard eye for an eye but I tell you to turn the other cheek etc.

And to further clear things up, the work he did on the sabbath was to heal someone on the sabbath. That's the evidence we have of him working on a sabbath.

So Christianity is Polytheistic now?

 

[SwagKingKong]

So Christianity is Polytheistic now?

 

[Robbie3000]

Well, I do believe that what we can read from the bible is that the existance of Jesus as a physical and mental state did not exist prior to Marys' pregnancy. Not sure though, believe it or not but I don't remember the whole bible word for word, lol.

But anyhow, IF we play around with the thought of him existing in a mental state and he did have influence on the laws he eventually lead heathens away from, why does this matter? Like I've stated plenty of times before, the laws were created for jews. He wasn't telling jews not to follow them, so again why does this matter if he did exist before? I don't get it.

Breh you don't even understand the tenents of your own religion. Anyone with a basic understanding of the Christian faith knows Jesus who is God existed since the begining.

According to John,
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The Word = Jesus = God. So any laws created by the Father were equally created by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So Jesus was in essence shytting on his own laws. Laws that once called for capital punishment if broken.

Do you understand how large a shift this has to be? From Murder for a crime to Jesus committing that same Crime? And this whole business about Jews is just wrong on so many levels B.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

So Christianity is Polytheistic now?

lol we're not gonna get into this right now...leave that to the roman catholics...whenever they decide to show up

Like I've stated plenty of times before, the laws were created for jews. He wasn't telling jews not to follow them, so again why does this matter if he did exist before? I don't get it.

Eh...its simply a matter of logistics. Its akin to the great flood and the paradox that an all knowing entity with control over the entire universe can make a mistake.




Also I feel you're twisting his teachings to sound like they were focused toward non jews. Which seems a bit disingenuous because we know he mainly taught against the interpretations of the time that he thought were false.

Everything he did was in opposition to the leaders of the church who he felt were reading/comprehending/leading the wrong life

Folks (not you necessarily) need to understand the difference between the mission of Jesus from the mission of the apostles.

 

[Robbie3000]

lol we're not gonna get into this right now...leave that to the roman catholics...whenever they decide to show up



Eh...its simply a matter of logistics. Its akin to the great flood and the paradox that an all knowing entity with control over the entire universe can make a mistake.




Also I feel you're twisting his teachings to sound like they were focused toward non jews. Which seems a bit disingenuous because we know he mainly taught against the interpretations of the time that he thought were false.

Everything he did was in opposition to the leaders of the church who he felt were reading/comprehending/leading the wrong life

Folks (not you necessarily) need to understand the difference between the mission of Jesus from the mission of the apostles.

There so many verses where Jesus makes it clear he came for the Jews.

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep. Matthew 10:5-10

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Canaanite, or the Philistines].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)"

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