Most Powerful Religion. Christianity Islam or White Supremacy?

[Crakface]

Friend, I know you think you are making a point here but I fail to see it. Technology has advanced. Classism has expanded through Colonialism and most importantly, capitalism. Capitalism is classism in its ultimate form.

Classism in 2014 is white supremacy which is a mistreatment of people based on skin color. Calling it classism on your part lets racists off the hook though. The bigotry in the world is not based on economics, its based on racism and uses economics as a cover. Thank you for your time.

 

[Ikwa]

@Type Username Here stop it with the nonsense.

How you gonna make it look like Persians created Islam and then say "they had an influence" when called out on it

Your logic makes no sense, I'm east African and still have my own culture. You're making the mistake of thinking Islam = Arab culture

I'm a Sunni, please tell me how Persian culture has effected me?

lol @ the list. First of all not all of them are from Persia and secondly we're at the stage of saying Persia had an influence on Islam because some scholars came from there? Strawman arguments.

Some of the biggest scholars of Islam came from the borders of modern day Russia and Spain but you don't see me claiming "Russia/Spain had an influence on Islam".

Just stop it already breh you're all over the place.

 

[Type Username Here]

@Type Username Here stop it with the nonsense.

How you gonna make it look like Persians created Islam and then say "they had an influence" when called out on it

They essentially created their own version of it, you admitted that earlier. I have already detailed significant major Persian contributions to Sunni Islam above. You are choosing to ignore it.

Your logic makes no sense, I'm east African and still have my own culture. You're making the mistake of thinking Islam = Arab culture

You can have your own culture and still be influenced by your religion's culture. You can be influenced by a multitude of different cultures. For you to say that you are a practicing Muslim but have no ties to Arab or Persian culture is a lie.

I'm a Sunni, please tell me how Persian culture has effected me?

I provided ample proof above. Some of it was written by Arabs documentaing Persian influence damn near one thousand years ago. You are choosing to ignore it instead of providing a counter proof.

lol @ the list. First of all not all of them are from Persia and secondly we're at the stage of saying Persia had an influence on Islam because some scholars came from there? Strawman arguments.

Scholars came from there? Did you not read? Do you not know about your Prophet's relationship to Salman, a Persian man?

 

[Type Username Here]

Classism in 2014 is white supremacy which is a mistreatment of people based on skin color. Calling it classism on your part lets racists off the hook though. The bigotry in the world is not based on economics, its based on racism and uses economics as a cover. Thank you for your time.

Not at all. Someone can be racist and still be at the bottom of society in terms of classism. The Deep South and Appalachian mountains are full of poor white people who have no power and hold onto some illusion that they are better than other poor people due to the color of their skin, and they do this to their own detriment in society as it relates to employment and social benefits.

 

[Ikwa]

@Type Username Here

I already pointed out that Shiasm originated in Persia (Iraq).

So now you're using scholars who made wordly advances as Persian culture's influence on Islam? You're confusing so many topics it's mindblowing. So things like physics, astronomy and so on is Persian culture now

Islam and culture are too different things. Islam has a set of rules and is a way of life. Yes you can hold onto your culture but saying Persia's culture influenced Islam is nonsense.

Unless you mean astronomy and the likes are part of Persian culture

Salman was a companion of The Prophet, it's like me saying Bilal was a companion and using that as evidence that Abyssinian culture had an influence on Islam

I still need to see how Persian culture has an influence on me?

Like I said you're merging so many topics together and confusing religion and culture, it simply makes no sense.

 

[Type Username Here]

@Type Username Here

I already pointed out that Shiasm originated in Persia (Iraq).

So now you're using scholars who made wordly advances as Persian culture's influence on Islam? You're confusing so many topics it's mindblowing. So things like physics, astronomy and so on is Persian culture now

Islam and culture are too different things. Islam has a set of rules and is a way of life. Yes you can hold onto your culture but saying Persia's culture influenced Islam is nonsense.

Unless you mean astronomy and the likes are part of Persian culture

Salman was a companion of The Prophet, it's like me saying Bilal was a companion and using that as evidence that Abyssinian culture had an influence on Islam

I still need to see how Persian culture has an influence on me?

Like I said you're merging so many topics together and confusing religion and culture, it simply makes no sense.

I see you already dropped the weak defense that Arab culture has no influence on your life. Wise choice. Let us move on to Persian influence on Islam and Muslims:

Persianate culture flourished for nearly fourteen centuries. It was a mixture of Persian and Islamic cultures that eventually became the dominant culture of the ruling and elite classes of Greater Iran, Asia Minor, and South Asia.[13]

When, in the 7th and 8th centuries, the peoples of Greater Iran were conquered by Islamic forces, they became part of an empire much larger than any previous one under Persian rule.[13] The new Islamic culture was largely based on pre-Islamic Persian traditions of the area,[14] as well as the Islamic rites that were introduced to the region by the Arab conquerors.[15]

Despite the Islamisation of public affairs, the Iranians retained much of their pre-Islamic outlook and way of life, adjusted to fit the demands of Islam. Towards the end of the 7th century, the population began resenting the cost of sustaining the Arab Caliphs, the Umayyads, and in the 8th century, a general Iranian uprising—led by the Iranian national hero Abu Muslim Khorrasani—brought another Arab family, theAbbasids, to the Caliph's throne.

Persian culture, and the customs of the Persian Barmakidviziers, became the style of the ruling elite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persianate_society

The early Turkish Muslims accepted and embraced the pre-Islamic traditions and combined them with their own in a form of Sufi mysticism. Less prominent were the strict Islamic law (Sharia) and concept of waging violent external jihad against nonbelievers. Instead, as Islam was diffused into the Turkic world through Persian Sufi influences, it sought to establish a commonality of belief with the indigenous religious practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turko-Persian_tradition


I'm glad I can teach you about the history of your religion friend.

 

[Ikwa]

@Type Username Here These smart dump posters never stop talking out of their backsides

First of all I said Islam doest not equal Arab culture, but we're discussing Persian culture's influence on Islam. Don't try to change the subject.

Secondly stop it with the wikipedia articles copy & paste job, it won't make you look smarter.

I need you to:

A) point out how Persia culture has had influence on Islam.

B) point out how Persian culture has had influce on me as an East African Sunni.

These are the claims you made. If you can't back that up with evidence then call it a day my friend.

I mean, you're the one trying to make it look like Astronomy is part of Persian culture right?

 

[Type Username Here]

@Type Username Here These smart dump posters never stop talking out of their backsides

First of all I said Islam doest not equal Arab culture, but we're discussing Persian culture's influence on Islam. Don't try to change the subject.

Secondly stop it with the wikipedia articles copy & paste job, it wonmt make you look smarter.

I need you to:

A) point out how Persia culture has had influence on Islam.

B) point out how Persian culture has had influce on me as an East African Sunni.

These are the claims you made. If you can't back that up with evidence then call it a day my friend.

I mean, you're the one trying to make it look like Astronomy is part of Persian culture right?

I just did my Canadian friend. I provided proof from countless sources (yes, Wikipedia is based on sources) detailing various contributions. You are CHOOSING to ignore the evidence provided WITHOUT providing ANY counter proof. This is not a debate, this is a child throwing a tantrum. I also just realized how you made this about one specific region, coincidently yours, which has NO bearing on my original statements. Persian influenced Islam had major impact on the Asian continent.

 

[Crakface]

Not at all. Someone can be racist and still be at the bottom of society in terms of classism. The Deep South and Appalachian mountains are full of poor white people who have no power and hold onto some illusion that they are better than other poor people due to the color of their skin, and they do this to their own detriment in society as it relates to employment and social benefits.

Classism in 2014 says there is separation based on the economic and social but obviously in America separation is based more on race and the division of white from non-white.

Would racism dissapear if everyone was rich?

No white supremacy in Appalchia? When they were coal mining out there, while everyone was DIRT POOR, who do you think got the jobs first? Who do you think had to struggle to get a job digging up dirt? The history of Appalachia is another sad story of racism and white supremacy

There is a pecking order among white people that i think is what you're calling classism. You think if the United States because communist under the current population that white supremacy would cease to exist? It wouldnt, which makes racism a bigger problem, then classism.

The people you're talking about, the people with the illusion ? those are foot soldiers for the ideology that exists at the top. People you serve with in the army, that carry out the will of white supremacists, the people that tell you what to do in the marines. The people that fight to obtain resources for the rich that are then supposed to allow white citizens domestically to earn livings.

The wealthy and the poor are groups that have always existed.

If tomorrow all nationalities in America had wealth and land but one group had wealth land and guns and a racist ideology, who would get their land took? That has nothing to do with class. Its white supremacy which is the problem we're facing right now.

Wealth doesnt cure racism because even if you in a benz you still a nikka, in a coupe.

 

[Type Username Here]

Classism in 2014 says there is separation based on the economic and social but obviously in America separation is based more on race and the division of white from non-white.

Would racism dissapear if everyone was rich?

No white supremacy in Appalchia? When they were coal mining out there, while everyone was DIRT POOR, who do you think got the jobs first? Who do you think had to struggle to get a job digging up dirt? The history of Appalachia is another sad story of racism and white supremacy

There is a pecking order among white people that i think is what you're calling classism. You think if the United States because communist under the current population that white supremacy would cease to exist? It wouldnt, which makes racism a bigger problem, then classism.

The people you're talking about, the people with the illusion ? those are foot soldiers for the ideology that exists at the top. People you serve with in the army, that carry out the will of white supremacists, the people that tell you what to do in the marines. The people that fight to obtain resources for the rich that are then supposed to allow white citizens domestically to earn livings.

The wealthy and the poor are groups that have always existed.

If tomorrow all nationalities in America had wealth and land but one group had wealth land and guns and a racist ideology, who would get their land took? That has nothing to do with class. Its white supremacy which is the problem we're facing right now.

Wealth doesnt cure racism because even if you in a benz you still a nikka, in a coupe.

I think you think that I think that racism doesn't exist or has no bearing on major events/issues. I said from early on that white supremacy exists. Racism exists. There are multitude of issues stemming JUST from racism. What I said is that ultimately, classism is the upmost evil. It is the underlying subjective system which controls the WORLD. Homogenous populations, white, black and asian throughout history have had abuses based on classism. We view things differently I guess, and I'm sure that has to do with our personal experiences.

 

[Ikwa]

I just did my Canadian friend. I provided proof from countless sources (yes, Wikipedia is based on sources) detailing various contributions. You are CHOOSING to ignore the evidence provided WITHOUT providing ANY counter proof. This is not a debate, this is a child throwing a tantrum. I also just realized how you made this about one specific region, coincidently yours, which has NO bearing on my original statements. Persian influenced Islam had major impact on the Asian continent.

so because some dynasties from Shia areas (who already had persian background) ruled in those Shia areas means persian culture has had an influence on Islam?

What type of nonsense is that? That's like me saying East African culture had an influence on Islam because East African Families ruled the area smh.

Furthermore here's a quote you posted in bold

When, in the 7th and 8th centuries, the peoples of Greater Iran were conquered by Islamic forces, they became part of an empire much larger than any previous one under Persian rule. The new Islamic culture was largely based on pre-Islamic Persian traditions of the area

Your comprehension skills are letting you down, friend. What this means here is that when Muslims conquered Persian territory, the persian people of that area retained their culture. It doesn't mean that persian culture influenced Islam or Muslims from other areas

I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of how Persian culture has influenced me. Just one.

Glad I could teach you common sense and the importance of comprehension skills, friend :saywhat:

 

[Crakface]

I think you think that I think that racism doesn't exist or has no bearing on major events/issues. I said from early on that white supremacy exists. Racism exists. There are multitude of issues stemming JUST from racism. What I said is that ultimately, classism is the upmost evil. It is the underlying subjective system which controls the WORLD. Homogenous populations, white, black and asian throughout history have had abuses based on classism. We view things differently I guess, and I'm sure that has to do with our personal experiences.

Call it what you want white supremacy is the head of the terminology you're using so really, we're saying the same thing. The world is run by white supremacists who tell non-white people how to run their business to the detriment of non-white people. The classes arent based on economics, they're based on Race. Leads to way more death in the world then classism. You yourself are more a product of white supremacy then you are, classism by the simple fact that your lineage was born out of white supremacy, and you acknowledge that you're own life in the military was in the hands of white supremacists.

 

[Type Username Here]

Your comprehension skills are letting you down, friend. What this means here is that when Muslims conquered Persian territory, the persian people of that area retained their culture. It doesn't mean that persian culture influenced Islam or Muslims from other areas

Persianate culture flourished for nearly fourteen centuries. It was a mixture of Persian and Islamic cultures that eventually became the dominant culture of the ruling and elite classes of Greater Iran, Asia Minor, and South Asia.

Seems like it influenced Islam and other areas according to that snippet. Let us see more:

It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India.

Huh. Seems like that's exactly what happened.

I'm still waiting for you to give me one example of how Persian culture has influenced me. Just one.

I just did. Countless examples. Over and over. Do the women in your family wear a veil or covering of some sort?

 

[Ikwa]

Seems like it influenced Islam and other areas according to that snippet. Let us see more:



Huh. Seems like that's exactly what happened.




I just did. Countless examples. Over and over. Do the women in your family wear a veil or covering of some sort?

it's the end of the road for you my friend. Call it a day while you still can.

Turkey is a Sunni nation and has been from the start. I already said Shiasm originated in Persia, and it stayed there for the most part. The only country with a clear Shia majority is Iran. Then you have tight percentages between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq and Lebanon. That's it.

3rd page and still no evidence of Persian culture having influence on Islam or me as an individual

My breh now trynna tell me that the veil is from Persian culture

You realise Persia did not even exist while women were already wearing the veil? We're talking centuries before Persia even became a word.

Stop making yourself look like a doughnut breh.

 

[kevm3]

Christianity = White Supremacy.

White Supremacy travels the world forcing christianity onto poor people.

"have a bottle of water while I tell you about white jesus"

Funny how atheists are quick to tie Christianity to white supremacy on one hand and then rush to praise the 'nordic' countries on the other handl... which is populated mostly by who? Oh yeah, whites. They are quick to parrot dawkins, maher, and other white atheists and yet Christianity was 'given to blacks by the white man'. margaret sanger and the negro project? you don't think these racist whites will use concepts such as 'social darwinism' and claiming blacks have inferior genetics as a pretext to further their racism? White supremacists will use anything to push their agenda forward, including atheism, so typing Christianity to white supremacy is dishonest.