More teens becoming "fake" Christians

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Ask the catholic church. Supposedly the pope is a 'go through' to the Father and you must confess your sins to other men in the catholic church, but where is that in the Bible? Jesus says HE is the way to the father. He never said there were other men coming that would be the conduit to God.

Just confirms what I always thought, that the Catholic church is a fraud. And anyone who follows that bs is too.
 

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All very good points.
I personally feel like most Christians don't do enough, i mean honestly it's true. You're right we don't NEED to save, we should be putting that money out there for others. Keeping it 100 everything you said is 100% true about christianity in America. Most people (myself included simply do not do enough.)

It's not impossible, but it is hard as fuk.

We really need only look at what JC said though:


we've all heard this story. i bolded what i've found to be the most important piece, particularly in regards to what your'e saying, i underlined the most important part of the important parts.

First and foremost it IS impossible, not hard, impossible for a human to get into heaven. We don't get into heaven because of the things we do. You could be 100% righteous and still not get in, it's GOD who makes that possible.

Second,
when most people read this they hinge on the idea that rich people don't get to heaven. That's just not true. If you look at the last bolded section there's clearly degrees of "importance"; those great now will be "the least important". Based on JC's response i've taken this to mean that while you SHOULD give all your things away if you don't it's not the end of the world, but it does show your level of commitment and where your heart is. If your heart is in such a place that giving 10 bucks a year to bumb is what you think keeps you "christian" well honestly that's between you and the man upstairs, personally I think that's ridiculous, particularly if you're rich.

I'm not rich, I have the potential to be very well off, but I don't push that way to much. I drive a 2000 maxima, i could go get a new car today...but for what? I do give money, I do give time, is it enough? Probably not. I could always give more...and honestly that's something i'll have to take up with JC too. (i hope and pray i'll be ok because I feel my heart is in the right place, as are my actions...simply put i believe i'm where God has me right now so that's where I'm at.)

To be sure it's not easy...again it's impossible.

What I always got from that story was that JEsus was implying to the rich man to give up the thing he loves most to follow God, which was his riches.

For us it could be that job that's causing us to work more than we should, or that big house, or gambling, or porn, or sex.

As a christian God should be number 1 in your heart not riches etc.
 

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The interesting thing is that church dogma actually makes it easy for anybody to be a Christian without even being a Christian...Because church dogma gives you a bunch of rules and policies you need to follow, and if you break them, you can just confess to your priest or give your pastor an extra $100 on Sunday, and all your sins will be forgiven...

Hence, we end with all these Christians girls that some of the members are mentioning, they will be at your crib Saturday night slurping your penis, and then profess their undying love for the Holy Trinity with the same mouth on Sunday morning...

Bless God for these fine women and their godly ways...:blessed:

Back to a serious note...Having a Christian mentality without the Church Dogma, just goes against everything we are as humans, and I am not even talking about attempting to attain a Christ-like persona...

1) Why should a true Christian have a savings account...? A) Jesus says not to worry about tomorrow, because God will provide B) If you have faith in this promise, why do you save money...? Who would God prefer, a Christian who says, "I will use the talent that God gave me to make lots of money, and use all that money to meet my basic needs, and then redistribute the rest to all other people who do not have my talent and opportunity. Because I believe as long as have a spiritual and physical righteous lifestyle, God will keep me healthy, so I can continue his work, of taking care of the less fortunate." Or will God prefer the Christian who says "you never know what will happen tomorrow. So, I am going to put all my money in the bank and make rich people rich, and it's God job to take care of the least fortunate."

2) How often does the average Christian drive around town in the coldest winters, and uses a spare bedroom in their big spacious houses to provide shelter for a homeless guy, for even just one night...?

I mean these are actions that the New Testament asks from any self-professing Christian, this is NOT dogma, because dogma says you okay for the year if you give a bum $10 during Christmas season..hahaha...And that;s what people do...

Just basic actions that can be done, are really impossible...

To true believe in God is to truly be fearless, you will invite a bum to your house and feed and cloth them, and you wont be scared because you truly believe you are doing the Lords work, and he will direct and protect you...

You will not keep a savings account, instead, you will use all the money you don't need after your needs have been met, to meet other less fortunate people's needs, and you will do this because you truly believe if you do your part a maintain a healthy physical, mental and spiritual lifestyle, God will be your provider, and God will keep you healthy and strong so you can continue with his work...

That's not dogma, and that's doable...But like I stated, it goes against EVERYTHING we are taught about survival...So, it's impossible...

There is no point being a Christian...You will either get killed by somebody you trying to help, or you will end up like Job, sick and miserable, except that there will not be riches at the end of your struggle...

Christianity is not functional, and thus, it's IMPOSSIBLE...For most people...


Good points, and I have brought this up before, how many of these big ol churches out there sohuld be opening up their gym or even their sanctuary for homelses people to sleep.
 

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True christianity IS impossible, being CHRIST is impossible.

All fall short of the glory of God. It's basic christianity 101. The problem I see now is that people aren't being taught THIS one undeniable fact. This leaves you feeling like a fool when you do fuk up. Turns out Christians, like everyone else FUK UP.

In the bible even the apostles fuked up, even after JC TOLD THEM they were going to fuk up. Think about that.

JC said, "Deny me in front of man and I will deny you in front of the father." Peter knew this. JC then tells peter, "you're going to deny me 3 times..." Peter was like, "don't be silly no i'm not"

Peter denied JC 3 times...and he knew about it.

Did peter do wrong? Sure. Was he a bad person? No, but he fell short. He wasn't saved by what he did, he was saved through grace.

The problem with teens is that they are given a black or white version of christianity.

If you sin then you're not CHristian. This sets up a road for failure. Those teens that are luke warm see the "expectations of the church" and don't quite see that while sin is bad, sinning doesn't make you NOT christian.

Talking to the kids I work with once you explain this it's almost easier for them to accept all those rules AND know that when they fuk up it's not the end of the world.

IMHO the church created a lot of that dogma and strictness as a means of control. THe bible isn't about control though, it's about salvation.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Before I was saved I was a big time sex addict, even after I was saved I struggled with it for a long while almost falling in temptation. Do thoughts arise sometimes? yeah but I'm not strong enough to kill it.

THe problem I find wiht christianity nowadays is that the message is watered down, pastors and churches appease to everyone it seems forgoing what the scripture says. In many churches its just about prosperity and forgiveness, but not talking about sin.

Everyone sins the only person to not sin was Jesus, you have people in the church and i have seen it pumping out child after child out of wedlock and all the church does is throw baby showers and congrats. Yes you shouldn't judge but

As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear

If your brother should sin, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

but its just all about forgiveness now.

everyone sins, even when Jesus was ont eh cross the dude beside him was a big sinner and at that last moment asked to be saved and entered paradise.
 

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nah he's disputing your undertones that Christians don't sin...which is incorrect.

We SHOULD NOT sin, doesn't mean we don't.

I read a lot of your post and respect your dedication to your religious faith but please don't come in here and defend that walking contradiction. My undertones are not that Christians don't sin, my clear message is that you can't judge other posters for their deviation from "Christian" behavior but at the same time have posts like the ones he had posted. He is talking about having sexual intercourse without being married, uses a lot of profanity over and over, and is constantly judging people. To sin is inevitable but to sin, willfully and constantly, when you know it is wrong, is and will never be accepted.
 

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What I always got from that story was that JEsus was implying to the rich man to give up the thing he loves most to follow God, which was his riches.

For us it could be that job that's causing us to work more than we should, or that big house, or gambling, or porn, or sex.

As a christian God should be number 1 in your heart not riches etc.
that too:smile:
Forgot to touch on that but yeah. This is again why it's important to look at the body of work, persistent

Good points, and I have brought this up before, how many of these big ol churches out there sohuld be opening up their gym or even their sanctuary for homelses people to sleep.
All of them should, and a lot of them do...but do they do enough. What benefit is a giant spinning globe for the glory of god (a la olsteen?) I suspect the money may have been better spent elsewhere...HOWEVER as I wasn't involved in what I hope was a decision based on prayer I don't know. God does work in weird ways, maybe he gave Olsteen the nod on the giant spinning globe for some reasons I don't know :manny:

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Before I was saved I was a big time sex addict, even after I was saved I struggled with it for a long while almost falling in temptation. Do thoughts arise sometimes? yeah but I'm not strong enough to kill it.

THe problem I find wiht christianity nowadays is that the message is watered down, pastors and churches appease to everyone it seems forgoing what the scripture says. In many churches its just about prosperity and forgiveness, but not talking about sin.

Everyone sins the only person to not sin was Jesus, you have people in the church and i have seen it pumping out child after child out of wedlock and all the church does is throw baby showers and congrats. Yes you shouldn't judge but

As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear

If your brother should sin, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

but its just all about forgiveness now.

everyone sins, even when Jesus was ont eh cross the dude beside him was a big sinner and at that last moment asked to be saved and entered paradise.
We're definitely called upon to correct our brother's and sisters, it's IMHO one of the main reasons we fellowship with others, so that we may grow together, learn from mistakes. I agree though more often than not churches are to affraid to offend someone that they offend what is written in the bible. To be fair a lot of times the line between being judgmental and rebuking someone can be blurred so i understand the fear...but at the same time you don't NOT do things out of fear. IMHO better to try and over reach and beg forgiveness than not try, NEVER reach and allow a brother to fall...even then though what is our ultimate goal? Spreading the word of God right? Not placing stumbling blocks. If you know your rebuttal will cause someone to fall do you do it because you can? Perhaps there are otherways to help someone realize they are messing up? :manny:

I read a lot of your post and respect your dedication to your religious faith but please don't come in here and defend that walking contradiction. My undertones are not that Christians don't sin, my clear message is that you can't judge other posters for their deviation from "Christian" behavior but at the same time have posts like the ones he had posted. He is talking about having sexual intercourse without being married, uses a lot of profanity over and over, and is constantly judging people. To sin is inevitable but to sin, willfully and constantly, when you know it is wrong, is and will never be accepted.
admittedly i didn't read the entire thread and conversation.
As a "christian" you shouldn't do those things and attempting to live while willfully sinning IS contradictory to being a Christian. There's a semantics game involved in this. All sin IMHO is "willful", you lie, you know you're lying and it's a sin, but are you a liar? (I don't know i'm asking more hypothetically). If your entire lifestyle is such that you lie constantly then to me your heart isn't in it.

Now if you TRY NOT TO lie, but still do...while wrong, is your heart in the right place you just keep sinning? To me that's the difference. Someone struggling with sin is different from someone who just says "fuk it i'm gonna sin anyway". Both people "willfully" sin...one maybe more remorseful and repentant than another. It's a subtle difference and hard to measure or quantify because we can't see what's in the heart of another person.
 
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