More Proof that Education doesn't Matter

[Shogun]

Just the 1st one. The latter 3 points are extensions of the main idea, but not crucial to what I want to talk about.

The meta is "education always equal good" is being challenged, but focused at the nation-state level. Not at the individual level, especially not in the US.

The US is one of the richest, and definitely the most powerful countries DESPITE 20% of the population being illiterate.

Why isn't all that time the Euros are spending learning English, other languages, math and science, not translating to more money, more power?

If they're so smart, why aren't their average citizens richer? (or maybe they are....but the #'s aren't apparent...)

The original intent of a liberal arts education was to enrich ones life, not make money.
There is more purpose to education than using it to have power over others.

 

[WIA20XX]

The original intent of a liberal arts education was to enrich ones life, not make money.
There is more purpose to education than using it to have power over others.

I totally agree with your point.

Education is enriching the lives of billions - but not enriching the wallets.

Most people would prefer to have more money than more life satisfaction.

 

[Wild self]

Countries with better educated populations don't have more per capita income or geopolitical influence.

So in fact, education and income do not correlate.

It's a pretty simple point, even if it triggers education hawks.

All that learning isn't amounting to much. All these other heavy on education countries are probably suffering from malinvestment. They have put too much money into educating their populations, and have little to show for it.

If you guys want to move the goal posts and talk about individuals in the American economy instead of engaging with what I said, just say that.

Rather than consider something novel, it's much easier to not think and just parrot the party line that has been programmed by this society.

But if you want to make it domestic, Here's something to cast doubt on y'all's precious STEM.

https://archive.is/RRWcs#selection-1705.1-2319.1

In the US, Only a quarter of STEM grads end up doing STEM. ~75% of STEM students are wasting their time, because there will never be enough STEM jobs to justify the number of people studying it.

The numbers are here, the argument is presented.

An educated response would be, why is that?

What factors are leading countries to not capitalize on much better educated populations?

Why can't India, who graduates a magnitude more of scientist and engineers (for decades) incapable of surpassing the US in per capita income and global influence?

If China didn't replace the industrial base of the US through agreement with the US, they certainly would not have educated their way onto the global stage.

So you saying that people that are (over)educated are the ones that are mentally traumatized, and not get their promised reward of a comfortable lifestyle? So people in other countries and STEM majors here are studying and sacrificing hobbies in their pivotal years of their youth, in vein?

 

[Shogun]

I totally agree with your point.

Education is enriching the lives of billions - but not enriching the wallets.

Most people would prefer to have more money than more life satisfaction.

Yeah, I hear you. It's unfortunate, though, as it seems to be leading to a vapid culture full of angry people.
I mean, by all accounts the Coli is full of 6-cert millionaires who spend much of their time flaming strangers on the internet.
My biggest gripe with capitalism.

 

[ogc163]

The meta is "education always equal good" is being challenged, but focused at the nation-state level. Not at the individual level, especially not in the US.

I doubt there's a prevalent notion that "education is always good" instead the idea that's prevalent is that a population being educated is generally good in relation to the alternative which is an uneducated populace.

And that doesn't mean an educated populace in and by itself can offset other macro factors that influence wealth, political power, and standard of living.

Further, the benefits of an educated populace doesn't show up neatly in data, especially in the short term. An example is the cultural and social capital that the most successful immigrant groups have fits in well with cosmopolitan corporate culture of the west, but the financial benefits may not occur in the first generation of benefits.

 

[bzb]

separate from issues with literacy rates and education standards in america, i couldn't take this thread seriously after reading the below. lol...

China, Russia, Europe are all > 99% adult literacy rate. Latin America is all > 90% (Mexico 95%, Brazil 93%) spare a few countries.

 

[inndaskKy]

but your actually using a computer to illiterate your words in real time... if you was fully illiterate you'd wouldn't be able to understand anything...

This is the fifth poster in this thread. "to illiterate your words".

Y'all draw your own conclusions.

 

[WIA20XX]

This is the fifth poster in this thread. "to illiterate your words".

Y'all draw your own conclusions.

Multiply by 66 Million.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Imagine being grown adult repeating this garbage ass talking point

 

[re'up]

As someone who for whatever reasons, both situational/back ground and personal, never got a degree, but always made money, not necessarily the money I wanted or thought but

I always had this idea that so many people were smarter than me, educated people. But, in the last say 15 years, for sure, that has not been true. A lot made more money than me, but also came from much higher socioeconomic backgrounds, but they also were not as intelligent as me.

and then there are the people who have degrees from normal schools, and have ok jobs, but again, they don't really make A LOT of money, and kind of do boring, not very exciting, clerical works. "moving emails from the inbox to the outbox" -Kevin Costner in The Company Men

 

[ogc163]