More Proof that Education doesn't Matter
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TheWiseWon
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Schooling and education are two vastly different things. Being money and power-smart requires a form of education to know how to make money and to understand the domains of power.
The educational system is antiquated, but I also believe people make a mistake by not furthering their learning much beyond school.
The educational system is antiquated, but I also believe people make a mistake by not furthering their learning much beyond school.
This isn't about individuals, but nation-states.
TheWiseWon
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Nation-states are nonexistent without individuals
. Responding to your initial message, any process of becoming educated (money, power, books, etc.) begins on the individual level.
Books smarts will pretty much guarantee you a nice quality of life in America
Not sure what you are trying to prove with that article OP, but High incomes correlate tightly with high levels of education.
Countries with better educated populations don't have more per capita income or geopolitical influence.
So in fact, education and income do not correlate.
It's a pretty simple point, even if it triggers education hawks.
All that learning isn't amounting to much. All these other heavy on education countries are probably suffering from malinvestment. They have put too much money into educating their populations, and have little to show for it.
If you guys want to move the goal posts and talk about individuals in the American economy instead of engaging with what I said, just say that.
Rather than consider something novel, it's much easier to not think and just parrot the party line that has been programmed by this society.
But if you want to make it domestic, Here's something to cast doubt on y'all's precious STEM.
In the US, Only a quarter of STEM grads end up doing STEM. ~75% of STEM students are wasting their time, because there will never be enough STEM jobs to justify the number of people studying it.
The numbers are here, the argument is presented.
An educated response would be, why is that?
What factors are leading countries to not capitalize on much better educated populations?
Why can't India, who graduates a magnitude more of scientist and engineers (for decades) incapable of surpassing the US in per capita income and global influence?
If China didn't replace the industrial base of the US through agreement with the US, they certainly would not have educated their way onto the global stage.
You really think that the problem with Brazil, Mexico and India is that they have over spent on education?
You think that Wikipedia article claiming Brazil and Mexico have a higher literacy rate means these countries are better educated than Americans?
You really think that the problem with Brazil, Mexico and India is that they have over spent on education?
You think that Wikipedia article claiming Brazil and Mexico have a higher literacy rate means these countries are better educated than Americans?
I don't see an argument here, I see an attempt to troll.
I thought that Higher Learning would have a better caliber of conversation, but it's just The Locker Room with 6 Certs.
But the average American is considering voting for Trump.
Lemme be extra clear, the 70% of the white population, which is better educated than almost every group other than the Asians - majority votes against their material interests by voting Republican since at least Reagan, if not FDR.
That's "education" in action.
You really think they're that more educated than the typical Mexican or Brazilian?
There's no end to American mediocrity.
But keep moving the goal posts.
I don't see an argument here, I see an attempt to troll.
I thought that Higher Learning would have a better caliber of conversation, but it's just The Locker Room with 6 Certs.
But the average American is considering voting for Trump.
Lemme be extra clear, the 70% of the white population, which is better educated than almost every group other than the Asians - majority votes against their material interests by voting Republican since at least Reagan, if not FDR.
That's "education" in action.
You really think they're that more educated than the typical Mexican or Brazilian?
There's no end to American mediocrity.
But keep moving the goal posts.
Ahhh. I should have realized you are part of the TLR anti higher education brigade.
It must be insecurity in your lack of education that leads y’all to constantly bash those who are seeking to advance their formal education otherwise you’d be happy being a plumber or HVAC tech and keep it moving.
“Money” or “power” smarts rely completely on manipulating others.
Ahhh. I should have realized you are part of the TLR anti higher education brigade.
It must be insecurity in your lack of education that leads y’all to constantly bash those who are seeking to advance their formal education otherwise you’d be happy being a plumber or HVAC tech and keep it moving.
LOL at me lacking an education.
Anyway, you just don't have an argument.
Rather troll and meme than engage.
That's fine.
ogc163
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I'm trying to understand the main points of this thread, so let me try to rephrase and see if I'm understanding OP:
1. On a national level, being more formally educated doesn't correlate to gaining more power and/or income.
2. Academic meritocracy isn't real or prevalent and therefore shouldn't be believed in or promoted.
3. Most STEM majors don't end up working in STEM and that serves as proof that STEM majors are wasting their time.
4. 70% of White Americans voting for Trump serves as evidence of the futility of education.
Am I correct in my rephrasing OP?
1. On a national level, being more formally educated doesn't correlate to gaining more power and/or income.
2. Academic meritocracy isn't real or prevalent and therefore shouldn't be believed in or promoted.
3. Most STEM majors don't end up working in STEM and that serves as proof that STEM majors are wasting their time.
4. 70% of White Americans voting for Trump serves as evidence of the futility of education.
Am I correct in my rephrasing OP?
Just the 1st one. The latter 3 points are extensions of the main idea, but not crucial to what I want to talk about.
The meta is "education always equal good" is being challenged, but focused at the nation-state level. Not at the individual level, especially not in the US.
The US is one of the richest, and definitely the most powerful countries DESPITE 20% of the population being illiterate.
Why isn't all that time the Euros are spending learning English, other languages, math and science, not translating to more money, more power?
If they're so smart, why aren't their average citizens richer? (or maybe they are....but the #'s aren't apparent...)