MONSTER KODY SANYIKA SHAKUR & 2PAC PHONE CONVO (DL LINK INSIDE)

[2Quik4UHoes]

Wholetime the community shyt shouldn't really of been a shock, he was sayin it in the songs too.

 

[smokeurobinson]

My dude Pac was a Revolutionary...he was just in the beginning stages...but he at least was there.
Did he have his demons and did he eventually succumb to nikka shyt, yes he did. But that us simply the world he lived in.
Every one you view as a revolutionary person also had their own demons. They also had (metaphorically) people who's face they had to slice. Your life doesn't stop because you have visions of revolution. Especially when you are still young. You may still need to get into some gangsta shyt.
As benevolent as the USA may see itself, IT still has to do some ratchet stuff.
Tupac had the power to organize and move nikkas. I know because I was a grown man in them streets then. He wasn't quite there...but give him another 5-10 years and Pac would have had black people on the path to something. Them peeps out West and nikkas down South had Pac ' BACK. Many are just now moving on.

I here u....And I respect the fact that u took time to give me your breakdown without any childish insults. But there are flaws in your assesment. U see when talking about what Pac could have done is irrelevant speculation., Just like u said he could have people on a path somehwre within 5 years I can easily say he woulda came out the closet in 5 years..or commited suicide in 5 years.....We cant speculate and play guessing games when being speaking on unknow possibilities of a dead person. All we have is what Pac left us with.

And based on what he left us with by defintion he wasn't a revolutionary. Myabe by musical terms yes....But thats where it stops. Oustide of the booth by defintion Pac was not revolutionary. Again all we can use is what Pac left us with and Pac along with Suge were using the tactic of "seperation" by waging an entertainment war with Bad Boy. (mind you this was not a righteuos war..But an entertainment war...Pacs actiosn proved this when he wanted to battle Biggie by dropping albums on the same day to see who'd sell more) In the end it was A war that ended with 2 Black men dead on both sides with bad blood left in the air. Thats not revolutionary.


Pac was promoting St Ides Malt Liquor. In the 80s the malt liquor brands being supplied in poor neighborhoods was a big issue in the urban community. In the 90's when rappers including Cube, Biggie, Snoop, Meth, Redman and Pac were promoting this liquid poison, the Malt Liquor problem soon became irrelevant due to the support by Black rappers totally destoying all efforts that were made in the 80's. Thats not revolutionary (Spike Lee brought some light to this in the movie Drop Squad)

Pac said he wanted to turn his listeners into "Thugs"....LOL....Thats not revolutionary. Thats the opposit of revolutionary. Malcolm X denounced his thug ways and wanted Black men to be "Men".....Malcolm Little was a thug. Malcolm X denouunced being a thug. 2pacs desire to turn his listeners into "thgus" instead of "men" depreciated everything Malcom X stood for. Thats not revolutionary.





Also...KRS One and Chuck D were on that "community resolution" tip way before Pac yet they weren't threating to kill kids with a fofo or slice up any Black females faces. Also Chuck D and KRS dont get the acknowledgment that they deserve thats alone proves that the adoration for the hopes that Pac never fulfilled is fake because u have these rapers who are alive and have actually made their promises into fruitation that dont even get acknowledged for it.(How many so called Hip Hop heads even acknowledge KRS' Temple Of Hip Hop on a grand scale?...LOL)

Tupac had a bandwagon after his death. Thats the reality. He was bigger in death then he ever was in life. Pac was able to capture peoples attention on a grand scale after his death was hyped into a great marketing campaign followed by Pacs undheard songs being raped by Interscope. Also dont forget his prime was in 1996...This was an era where there was a generation who wouldnt even tolerate gangster music let alone someone promoting "Thug Life" so that path u were refering to that Pac would have led Black people to wouldnt even had had support by a specific generation and demographic because no consious Black person would want to be involved in anything involving a "thug movement"



Did Pac have demons? Maybe but due to his level of growth he was not in a space to be categorized as a revolutionary. Again, musically he was revolutionary in the booth but thats where it stops.

 

[Dzali OG]

I here u....And I respect the fact that u took time to give me your breakdown without any childish insults. But there are flaws in your assesment. U see when talking about what Pac could have done is irrelevant speculation., Just like u said he could have people on a path somehwre within 5 years I can easily say he woulda came out the closet in 5 years..or commited suicide in 5 years.....We cant speculate and play guessing games when being speaking on unknow possibilities of a dead person. All we have is what Pac left us with.

And based on what he left us with by defintion he wasn't a revolutionary. Myabe by musical terms yes....But thats where it stops. Oustide of the booth by defintion Pac was not revolutionary. Again all we can use is what Pac left us with and Pac along with Suge were using the tactic of "seperation" by waging an entertainment war with Bad Boy. (mind you this was not a righteuos war..But an entertainment war...Pacs actiosn proved this when he wanted to battle Biggie by dropping albums on the same day to see who'd sell more) In the end it was A war that ended with 2 Black men dead on both sides with bad blood left in the air. Thats not revolutionary.


Pac was promoting St Ides Malt Liquor. In the 80s the malt liquor brands being supplied in poor neighborhoods was a big issue in the urban community. In the 90's when rappers including Cube, Biggie, Snoop, Meth, Redman and Pac were promoting this liquid poison, the Malt Liquor problem soon became irrelevant due to the support by Black rappers totally destoying all efforts that were made in the 80's. Thats not revolutionary (Spike Lee brought some light to this in the movie Drop Squad)

Pac said he wanted to turn his listeners into "Thugs"....LOL....Thats not revolutionary. Thats the opposit of revolutionary. Malcolm X denounced his thug ways and wanted Black men to be "Men".....Malcolm Little was a thug. Malcolm X denouunced being a thug. 2pacs desire to turn his listeners into "thgus" instead of "men" depreciated everything Malcom X stood for. Thats not revolutionary.





Also...KRS One and Chuck D were on that "community resolution" tip way before Pac yet they weren't threating to kill kids with a fofo or slice up any Black females faces. Also Chuck D and KRS dont get the acknowledgment that they deserve thats alone proves that the adoration for the hopes that Pac never fulfilled is fake because u have these rapers who are alive and have actually made their promises into fruitation that dont even get acknowledged for it.(How many so called Hip Hop heads even acknowledge KRS' Temple Of Hip Hop on a grand scale?...LOL)

Tupac had a bandwagon after his death. Thats the reality. He was bigger in death then he ever was in life. Pac was able to capture peoples attention on a grand scale after his death was hyped into a great marketing campaign followed by Pacs undheard songs being raped by Interscope. Also dont forget his prime was in 1996...This was an era where there was a generation who wouldnt even tolerate gangster music let alone someone promoting "Thug Life" so that path u were refering to that Pac would have led Black people to wouldnt even had had support by a specific generation and demographic because no consious Black person would want to be involved in anything involving a "thug movement"



Did Pac have demons? Maybe but due to his level of growth he was not in a space to be categorized as a revolutionary. Again, musically he was revolutionary in the booth but thats where it stops.

Good dialogue...

I understand and agree with part of what you ssy. You're correct in that technically, Pac was not a revolutionary. He did not actually set anything in motion. He merely had good ideas and intentions. I guess we can agree that he had some revolutionary music however?

I disagree on your understanding of Pacs use of "thug" though. It's a common misunderstanding as Pac didn't clarify enough his stance. Thug to Pac wasn't this stupid Chief Keef, Young Thug, shyt many black males took it as. Thug to Pac was the fact that going against this corrupt, systematic, white supremacy, would make you a thug in the eyes of those who support the system. We can hold him at fault for that incomplete slang that was adopted by every ghetto dummy from Dmx to Master P.

Chuck D and KRS did proceed him in social rap, but neither of them were able to connect to the masses to the level of Pac. That is what made Pac special. I know Southern ministers who hate "worldly" music, but will still at least listen to Pac. And give him credit for making music with a message you can feel was sincere. Wasn't it like the Pope who said he has "Changes" in rotation?

Pac got bigger after his death, but make no mistake, he was big and growing before it. Pac was THAT nikkaS before he died. The backlash he caught was from many on the East, those purist who knock his lyrics because he wasn't heavy on the metaphors and punchlines. That's the heat Pac caught. You still see those individuals at this site to this day, knocking Pac because in their eyes you aren't a lyricist unless every other line is a sick punch.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

I here u....And I respect the fact that u took time to give me your breakdown without any childish insults. But there are flaws in your assesment. U see when talking about what Pac could have done is irrelevant speculation., Just like u said he could have people on a path somehwre within 5 years I can easily say he woulda came out the closet in 5 years..or commited suicide in 5 years.....We cant speculate and play guessing games when being speaking on unknow possibilities of a dead person. All we have is what Pac left us with.

And based on what he left us with by defintion he wasn't a revolutionary. Myabe by musical terms yes....But thats where it stops. Oustide of the booth by defintion Pac was not revolutionary. Again all we can use is what Pac left us with and Pac along with Suge were using the tactic of "seperation" by waging an entertainment war with Bad Boy. (mind you this was not a righteuos war..But an entertainment war...Pacs actiosn proved this when he wanted to battle Biggie by dropping albums on the same day to see who'd sell more) In the end it was A war that ended with 2 Black men dead on both sides with bad blood left in the air. Thats not revolutionary.


Pac was promoting St Ides Malt Liquor. In the 80s the malt liquor brands being supplied in poor neighborhoods was a big issue in the urban community. In the 90's when rappers including Cube, Biggie, Snoop, Meth, Redman and Pac were promoting this liquid poison, the Malt Liquor problem soon became irrelevant due to the support by Black rappers totally destoying all efforts that were made in the 80's. Thats not revolutionary (Spike Lee brought some light to this in the movie Drop Squad)

Pac said he wanted to turn his listeners into "Thugs"....LOL....Thats not revolutionary. Thats the opposit of revolutionary. Malcolm X denounced his thug ways and wanted Black men to be "Men".....Malcolm Little was a thug. Malcolm X denouunced being a thug. 2pacs desire to turn his listeners into "thgus" instead of "men" depreciated everything Malcom X stood for. Thats not revolutionary.





Also...KRS One and Chuck D were on that "community resolution" tip way before Pac yet they weren't threating to kill kids with a fofo or slice up any Black females faces. Also Chuck D and KRS dont get the acknowledgment that they deserve thats alone proves that the adoration for the hopes that Pac never fulfilled is fake because u have these rapers who are alive and have actually made their promises into fruitation that dont even get acknowledged for it.(How many so called Hip Hop heads even acknowledge KRS' Temple Of Hip Hop on a grand scale?...LOL)

Tupac had a bandwagon after his death. Thats the reality. He was bigger in death then he ever was in life. Pac was able to capture peoples attention on a grand scale after his death was hyped into a great marketing campaign followed by Pacs undheard songs being raped by Interscope. Also dont forget his prime was in 1996...This was an era where there was a generation who wouldnt even tolerate gangster music let alone someone promoting "Thug Life" so that path u were refering to that Pac would have led Black people to wouldnt even had had support by a specific generation and demographic because no consious Black person would want to be involved in anything involving a "thug movement"



Did Pac have demons? Maybe but due to his level of growth he was not in a space to be categorized as a revolutionary. Again, musically he was revolutionary in the booth but thats where it stops.

All Eyez On Me went 5 x platinum when Pac was alive. I'm sure that album sold more than Makaveli.

 

[smokeurobinson]

All Eyez On Me went 5 x platinum when Pac was alive. I'm sure that album sold more than Makaveli.

LOL...a double album that sales 5 is really only 2 1/2. Techically he only sold a half a mil more then he did with Me Against The World. But I wasnt refering to album sales. I'm talking about how Pacs "image" became bigger after his death

Good dialogue...

I understand and agree with part of what you ssy. You're correct in that technically, Pac was not a revolutionary. He did not actually set anything in motion. He merely had good ideas and intentions. I guess we can agree that he had some revolutionary music however?

I disagree on your understanding of Pacs use of "thug" though. It's a common misunderstanding as Pac didn't clarify enough his stance. Thug to Pac wasn't this stupid Chief Keef, Young Thug, shyt many black males took it as. Thug to Pac was the fact that going against this corrupt, systematic, white supremacy, would make you a thug in the eyes of those who support the system. We can hold him at fault for that incomplete slang that was adopted by every ghetto dummy from Dmx to Master P.

Chuck D and KRS did proceed him in social rap, but neither of them were able to connect to the masses to the level of Pac. That is what made Pac special. I know Southern ministers who hate "worldly" music, but will still at least listen to Pac. And give him credit for making music with a message you can feel was sincere. Wasn't it like the Pope who said he has "Changes" in rotation?

Pac got bigger after his death, but make no mistake, he was big and growing before it. Pac was THAT nikkaS before he died. The backlash he caught was from many on the East, those purist who knock his lyrics because he wasn't heavy on the metaphors and punchlines. That's the heat Pac caught. You still see those individuals at this site to this day, knocking Pac because in their eyes you aren't a lyricist unless every other line is a sick punch.

a good term to reference Pac would be "activist." That I cannot take away from him. On ething about me...I was right there watching Pac career develop....His first video was Trapped and it only played on Yo MTV Raps at foirst and it only caught my attention because Humpty Hump was in the video and Hump was a rap star at the time. The song itself didnt really stand out to me because it sounded to much like some Ice T sh*t...LOL..Matter fact till this day I say that Pac was the next version of Ice T. After that Pac dropped Brendas Got A Baby and thats when Pac seemed like someone worthy of attention...soon Juice followed and the rest was history...Right before Pac..2 Live Crew and Ice T were the poster childtren of bad press in mainstream media....when that dude killed those cops after blaming Pacs song "Soulja Story" for inspiring him to do it...Pac was the new face of that same bad press along with Death Row records as whole. Right afte the rape case and him getting shot I'll never forget how the new york post went out of its way to really slander Pac...They would always put the picture of him from the Above The Rim promos with the scar on his face giving the impression that he really had a scar...After he was shot the first time they did a satire Page six cartoon where Pac was sitting on a bed in the hospital with a nervous look and the doctor tells him "Dont worry mr Shakur the bullet didnt hit anything important" and in the background you see his head x rays with a bullet in his brain. Straight hateful. Because of all of this I am OK with his martyrdom because its teh utimate Fukk U to the mainstream press that once slandered him. But again, I watched his career unfold before me.....I bought that 1st album which was eh to me then and now. Acknowledged him for finally finding his place with Me Against The World and scratched my head when he put on this Bishop role when he went to Death Row and shook my head when Biggie wasnt responding to his taunts.
I copped All Eyes On Me the first week it dropped because I thought he was gonna diss Biggie like he did in the February issue of the source but he didnt..He waited then dropped the California Love original with Hit Em Up so people could go back to the stores and spend more money..I thought that was a good marketing strategy.I was suprised at how his death became so big being that Eazy had died a lil over a year earlier and it was as if no one gave a fuk except BG Knock Out and Bone Thugs. I saw it all develop so when I see ridiculous adjectives placed on Pac I have to call them out. Bottom line....Revolutionary? maybe in the booth but I will acknowledge that Pac was an activist...I cant take that from him.

 

[Youngblood Priest]

It's crazy how the picture is small. A lot of these dudes arguing about whether he were "revolutionary". Look at it like this. All Eyes On Me was gangsta driven. His next project was.....Makaveli. That tells me his mind state was headed back to being black and everything about it. Political back tones and upliftment all over the album, along with a few disses. Overall though, He Was Headed into that direction.

 

[Greenhornet]

im disappointed the past 3 pages of this thread were ruined by people who would rather talk about themselves then the information at hand


can these cats get blocked? or can we make sub threads inside of threads for people to fight in?

nobody cares about politics or how you view anyone, nobody cares about the rhymes you wrote about astrotheology and fidel castro .... the only thing that is going to get us anywhere is a person with a plan ... out doing shyt, good or bad.

Please dont derail this thread with your bullshyt opinion, I dont wanna read paragraphs of how you feel and politics that dont matter

 

[Sunalmighty]

Pac connecting the dots bewween the girl who lied about rape and the dudes who shot him

Damn this sum good shyt

So was all the east west beef in vain?

 

[Olu Dara]

So was all the east west beef in vain?

What do you mean? He meant the same people set him up on both the rape incident and shooting.

 

[Sunalmighty]

What do you mean? He meant the same people set him up on both the rape incident and shooting.

What I'm asking is about the whole Biggie thing. Did he say that he and Puff had something to do with the rape as well, or was someone other than those two behind both setups

 

[Olu Dara]

What I'm asking is about the whole Biggie thing. Did he say that he and Puff had something to do with the rape as well, or was someone other than those two behind both setups

He didn't say it was them specifically. It was street people connected to Bad boy that was behind the shooting

 

[The Ruler 09]

Wonder if there's anything else Kody or anyone else has. Wasn't here a song or something that was an unreleased Pac joint someone bought for a mil or more?

 

[Uchiha God]

LOL...a double album that sales 5 is really only 2 1/2.

awful logic, you can't up and divide the sales between each disc and act like you are making a concise point seeing as both discs are what the "album" is comprised of. your reasoning is inherently flawed.

 

[JayGatsby]

its been months and not one rapper has tried to take on this nicca's vision, pac gave them the blueprint over the phone and they still cant be asked to put in work


spineless rappers

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Good dialogue...

I understand and agree with part of what you ssy. You're correct in that technically, Pac was not a revolutionary. He did not actually set anything in motion. He merely had good ideas and intentions. I guess we can agree that he had some revolutionary music however?

I disagree on your understanding of Pacs use of "thug" though. It's a common misunderstanding as Pac didn't clarify enough his stance. Thug to Pac wasn't this stupid Chief Keef, Young Thug, shyt many black males took it as. Thug to Pac was the fact that going against this corrupt, systematic, white supremacy, would make you a thug in the eyes of those who support the system.

Exactly Ali....

People fail to realize that T.H.U.G LIFE was actually empowerment program co-founded by his father Dr. Mutula Shakur..

It was based on Mutula's activities as a key figure in the BLA (BLACK LIBERATION ARMY) ....hence the phrase THUG LIFE ARMY which brought the heat of COINTELPRO on PACs head every time he went to visit his pops at the SUPERMAX PRISON....

Mutula Shakur speaks on the points of the program and the theme of this movement in this interview:
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/o...9298-recent-interview-w-dr-mutulu-shakur.html

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/open-forum/9011-code-thug-life.html​