Mitt Romney tells uninsured people to go to the ER

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[Habit]

Urgent care is a good alternative for non-emergencies, though they can't treat serious shyt.

The real problem is that a lot of people end up in the ER with problems that could've been prevented with preventative healthcare that they didn't have access to due to lack of insurance. For example someone who has high blood pressure/cholesterol for years but that can't go the doctor to get it treated because they don't have insurance. So if they end up having a heart attack/stroke, there they are in the ER room. Obviously they won't be able to pay the tens of thousands of dollars that ER treatment will cost, so guess what? Everybody's insurance premiums go up.

Neither can a doctor, only the ER can handle serious shiit.

The average person can go their whole life and the strongest medicine they ever took was tylenol, those people who have to take 8 or 9 drugs to stay alive are screwed. They are not gonna be able to afford $500 per month for drugs and $250 office copays for the 3 or 4 specialist they must see, those guys usually die a horrible death from what I gather.

I think when they talk about the uninsured its the relatively health person whose illness starts small, but will get worse if they don't get proper medical attention.

 

[Serious]

No need to go to the ER. Urgent Care Clinics are popping up like crazy in Miami. I know folks making a couple million a year running them. Very popular in Miami among immigrants. Waiting area, a few exam rooms, Physician Assistants and Nurse Practioners is usually what you'll find.

you want to be an engineer then

 

[Habit]

you want to be an engineer then

I'm broke, so all I can do is peep game. Old retired doctors just want to get paid, those doctor's just work for owners of those urgent care clinics, those doctor's never have to be on site. This is getting real popular since they are shutting down pain clinics dispensing all those oxycodones.

 

[Street Knowledge]

 

[superunknown23]

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

does this dude know how much it costs the average person with no insurance to go to the fukking ER?

What's the problem? Just sell a few of your Cadillacs, that should cover it

 

[YBE]

I really pitty the idiots who aren't gonna vote because they think it doesn't matter who wins... They're the same.

Look at what this cat is tellin you on a Daily basis now... You should be very scared at the mere possibility of such a spoiled self involved uncompassionate piece of sh*t possibly becoming your next President.

No... They are not the same.

Basically. Its sad when you have so much money you cant even fathom how life is for the underprivileged. Mitt was talking about $250,000 a year being middle class Neega, when I was growing up, if my moms maid $250,000 a year....

He reminds me of dude from Wall Street 2. Like that's how Mitt was 10 or 15 years ago. I can imagine Mitt sitting in his office at Bain, smug as hell, being a complete douchebag. I dont think he can help himself, he's a rich a$$hole. Even when he tries to be sincere, it comes off scripted as hell.

 

[Slystallion]

To be fair most hospitals have charity care you can apply for and will work with the patient as far as taking payment plans based on affordability. The ER prices are ridiculous but that speaks to a bigger issue caused by health insurance existing in the first place that brought the prices out of wack, and market distorted to begin with. Federal regulations limiting insurance competition isn't helping either.

I understand the want for a universal healthcare but that solution would have trade offs that include inferior healthcare across the board for all and increased deficits that would have to be made up somewhere else and could bring about the increase of gas prices through taxes or much higher percentage of taxes will be paid by all including a possible vat or simply insane margins on income tax for all.

Which is why I advocate for an alternative solution based on market principles which a much smaller true "charity" available for those who don't have an income or who's income makes it impossible.

There has to be a solution that covers everyone and doesn't have dire trade offs

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why is Mitt telling me to do with my body?


Socialist

im high as fukk right now but that was hilarious

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

thats hilarious. cost of going to the ER is burdensome for the patient, the provider and the system. the default on payment only leads to added healthcare costs.


with that said i don't believe that he believes anything that he is saying right now. his track record just doesn't show that

Exactly

This stupid fukk is against Obamacare and a single payer system... but will gladly pay higher premiums to cover more and more uninsured folks getting expensive emergency care

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

To be fair most hospitals have charity care you can apply for and will work with the patient as far as taking payment plans based on affordability. The ER prices are ridiculous but that speaks to a bigger issue caused by health insurance existing in the first place that brought the prices out of wack, and market distorted to begin with. Federal regulations limiting insurance competition isn't helping either.

I understand the want for a universal healthcare but that solution would have trade offs that include inferior healthcare across the board for all and increased deficits that would have to be made up somewhere else and could bring about the increase of gas prices through taxes or much higher percentage of taxes will be paid by all including a possible vat or simply insane margins on income tax for all.

Which is why I advocate for an alternative solution based on market principles which a much smaller true "charity" available for those who don't have an income or who's income makes it impossible.

There has to be a solution that covers everyone and doesn't have dire trade offs

Bro what we have now is the best the market can offer us. Their priority is profit, which doesn't necessarily line up with providing the best care. In fact, profitability often means working hard to find reasons to deny coverage. I have had a few ER visits (motorcycle accident and some unpreventable stomach shyt), and both times they tried to deny me coverage. Not paying out is the most profitable move.

ALL the countries higher than us on the scale of competitiveness have a public option. OPTION. Yes the public option wouldn't provide as good care as a Cadillac health plan, but guess what, MOST Americans don't have a Cadillac health plan. The folks with regular insurance get so-so care at a high cost, the folks with no insurance are too scared of the costs to utilize care until it is damn near too late. A public option would lower costs by creating a bigger pool of risk, and being structured to encourage PREVENTATIVE care (i.e. regular doctor visits + blood tests) rather than REACTIVE care (not going to a doctor for 15 years and then heading to the ER for a preventable heart attack).

And of course, it's an OPTION... if folks feel like the public option is not enough, this is America, I don't think there would be any laws forbidding people to choose a private plan. Folks on Medicare often buy secondary coverage because the baseline doesn't cover everything + has copays. Folks could get supplemental coverage from private providers, or get their full coverage from a private provider if they wanted (if the public option had high deductibles/copays for example). There are DEFINITELY ways to structure it to cost less and not remove the private sector from the equation.... but as is, we are getting the best the private sector has to offer, and for everybody- the folks w/sky high premiums who are relatively healthy + low cost and the folks w/no insurance responsible for those high premiums (because they can't afford coverage)- it sucks. Get off the almighty private sector's dikk, it is not the be all end all of every problem.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

To be fair most hospitals have charity care you can apply for and will work with the patient as far as taking payment plans based on affordability. The ER prices are ridiculous but that speaks to a bigger issue caused by health insurance existing in the first place that brought the prices out of wack, and market distorted to begin with. Federal regulations limiting insurance competition isn't helping either.

I understand the want for a universal healthcare but that solution would have trade offs that include inferior healthcare across the board for all and increased deficits that would have to be made up somewhere else and could bring about the increase of gas prices through taxes or much higher percentage of taxes will be paid by all including a possible vat or simply insane margins on income tax for all.

Which is why I advocate for an alternative solution based on market principles which a much smaller true "charity" available for those who don't have an income or who's income makes it impossible.

There has to be a solution that covers everyone and doesn't have dire trade offs

fukking Sly.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Sly is to GOP talking points what 50 is to music marketing gibberish

"alternate market solutions" = "aggressive content"

Sly why don't you give us an example of one of these creative solutions, and explain why the private sector hasn't implemented them yet

 

[Rufus Dufus]

Stewart calling Romney out on his flip flop on ER care.
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