Mike Tomlin skating on thin ice

[Carlos Huerta]

Link?

 

[Cowboyz89]

we call that part of "the process" down here in dallas.

I love this team so much man.....why they dont love me back? What am I doing wrong?

 

[STAN JONES]

Tomlin isn't the problem

The real problem that Steeler fans don't want to acknowledge is that they lack talent

They are the least talented team in the AFC north by far

 

[Kings County]

the hate for black folks is incredible



tomlin HC w/ steelers

• has never had a losing season
• regular season winning % 632
• 5 - 3 in the playoffs
• 2 superbowl appearances
• 1 championship

why do they hate us

what has he done for them lately the team looks trash his players are aging

 

[resurrection]

Tomlin isn't the problem

The real problem that Steeler fans don't want to acknowledge is that they lack talent

They are the least talented team in the AFC north by far

But here's what you don't understand

Tomlin has a say in the draft room. Tomlin and his staff are responsible for developing these guys and putting them in positions to do well

When Colbert and Cowher were picking players together, they got stars every year. Funny how, as soon as Tomlin has a say, the drafts turn to shyt. Whether it's selection, development, or both, Tomlin has a say in all of it. Lacking talent is ON TOMLIN.

 

[61 Corpses]

It's time to draft a QB this off-season. The rapists best days are behind him

 

[DonkeyPuncher718]

Look.. I've been a Steelers fan my whole life and I'll tell you why the "Mike Tomlin should be fired" talk is perfectly legitimate and has nothing to do with race

First of all, I'll start by saying I do give him credit for winning that SB and getting to another one. It is a skill to guide a team of ready-made veteran superstars to stay focused on the goal and get over the hump. He did a great job in his first few years.

But ever since 2011 (so cut that "it's week 2!" crap), the Steelers have been trending down. A big reason for that is the personnel, yes, but who is responsible for developing the young guys brought in? The Steelers build through the draft. Kevin Colbert gets the players (with input from coaches) and Tomlin & co. is entrusted to get the most out of them. When Cowher was here, Colbert had no problem bringing in a future Pro Bowler or two almost every damn year through the draft. Yet somehow, with Tomlin's input in the draft room, we've come up with nothing but crap in early rounds. So is it bad players? Or is it players with bad development? The bottom line is that the further the Steelers get from the 2008/2010 core of players, the WORSE the team is. Tomlin-drafted players are accomplishing next to nothing in the NFL unless they are HIGHLY self-motivated (see Antonio Brown).

And let's review some disturbing trends. The team has been steadily getting worse since losing to the Pack in the SB. This team regularly blows big leads (look no further than last week needing a last second FG to beat the Browns after being up 27-3). This team regularly only plays well for half a season (started 6-3, ended 8-8 in 2012, started 2-6, finished 8-8 in 2013). This team regularly underestimates weak opponents and comes out flat for losses (or at best, W's where they look awful and barely pulled it out). Let's review the Steelers against bad teams starting with 2011, and watch as it progressively gets worse:

2011:
-Eeked out 23-20 win over Curtis Painter-led Colts (Who finished 2-14) in prime time.. game came down to the end
-Eeked out ugly, flat, completely uninspired 13-9 wins over 7-9 KC and 4-12 Cleveland
-In grandiose fashion, lost 29-23 to the Broncos in OT in the playoffs, TOTALLY underestimating Tebow, loading up 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play and inexplicably allowing the worst passing QB in the league to throw all over them for 316 yards and the game-winner in OT.

2012:
-Lost 34-31 to the 4-12 Raiders.. Do I really need to elaborate?
-Lost 26-23 to the 6-10 Titans..
-Eeked out flat, unprepared, uninspired 16-13 primetime W in overtime against the 2-14 Chiefs.. may I add that in this game, our offensive line got Ben R killed and he missed several weeks after this and the team spiraled COMPLETELY downhill afterwards? May I add that, in this game, Kansas City held its first regulation lead OF THE SEASON against us... IN WEEK 10.
-Lost 20-14 to the 5-11 Browns.. Brilliant preparedness there, Mikey
-With a playoff spot seemingly on the line, laid eggs in two games in a row to Dallas and Cincy (13-10.. really.. you manage 10 points with a playoff spot on the line against a division rival?) to secure missing the playoffs

2013:
-Opened the season with horrifying 16-9 loss to the eventual 7-9 Titans.. Lost Pouncey for the year taken out by his own teammate in the first drive of the game. Offense accomplished next to nothing.
-Embarrassed 40-23 by the.. Bears? The fantastically average Chicago Bears made this team look punchless.. It wasn't even as close as the score
-Lost in London to the 5-10-1 Vikings.. Came out COMPLETELY unprepared, dominated in the trenches.
-Lost to the 4-12 Oakland fukking Raiders, managing 18 points against them when the Raiders gave up 28 ppg on the season
-Gave up the most points in franchise history the following week, getting thrashed by the Pats who hung 55 on them
All this and yet they still should made the playoffs. Had they actually got off the bus for ANY of these games last year, they woulda been in the playoffs

2014:
-Week 1 need a last second FG to beat Cleveland after jumping out to a 27-3 lead. WTF?!
-Week 2 completely and utterly embarrassed by biggest rivals in prime time who just happened to be distracted by one of the biggest scandals in league history and the least talented roster they've had in years. But hey, only score 6 points and look like you've never played football before anyway. Who cares?

It is to the point where the games that scare me the most on the Steelers schedule are the games against the worst teams, because we don't prepare for them. We don't take them seriously, we just come out and expect to dominate them, and usually lose or eek out some ugly victory, and sustain bad injuries.

It's the same story. When the team doesn't feel they NEED to be at their best, they're not. And they get punched in the face. Whether it's within a game where they get a big lead and piss it away, or whether it's within a season where they start hot and finish bad, or whether it's preparing for a weaker opponent, the story is the same. The team relaxes, lets off the gas. The team thinks it can coast. The team thinks as long as it just shows up, everything will take care of itself. Well, no, it doesn't. You go 8-8 in consecutive years and look like the worst team in the NFL this year when you do that. And that attitude, that carelessness, that lack of preparation, that inability to get motivated unless you absolutely have to, starts at the top. Not to mention, he doesn't design or call the offense, doesn't design or call the defense, obviously isn't developing our young talent, and obviously isn't preparing the team week in and week out to play 60 minute games. What DOES he do? What is his mark? What is his contribution? What can I trust is HE bringing to this team that wouldn't get instantly better with the hiring of another coach? Tomlin is a god damn cancer to the team, brehs, black or white.

Im a Vikings fans but I fukks with Mike Tomlin

You broke that shyt down breh one of the most honest and informative posts I ever read on here from a fan. I didnt know it got this bad

 

[superunknown23]

Only white folks get the Jeff Fisher treatment

 

[STAN JONES]

But here's what you don't understand

Tomlin has a say in the draft room. Tomlin and his staff are responsible for developing these guys and putting them in positions to do well

When Colbert and Cowher were picking players together, they got stars every year. Funny how, as soon as Tomlin has a say, the drafts turn to shyt. Whether it's selection, development, or both, Tomlin has a say in all of it. Lacking talent is ON TOMLIN.

Drafting isnt the reason for the lack of talent IMO

You guys let too many of your guys walk.I know that's how you've always done it but you have to keep your homegrown talent

Also you have talented players who don't develop. That's on the position coach and coordinator not Tomlin

 

[3Rivers]

Drafting isnt the reason for the lack of talent IMO

You guys let too many of your guys walk.I know that's how you've always done it but you have to keep your homegrown talent

I really wanted to retain Keenan Lewis. Other than that

Hood: mediocre
Woodley: Injury prone, was no longer living up to his contract
Harrison: Old
Mendenhall: Ehh
Sanders: Good, I believe Wheaton can duplicate the production he gave us here though
Wallace: Production started to fall off, was better in Arians down field offense and not Haley's dink and dunk bs.

 

[resurrection]

Drafting isnt the reason for the lack of talent IMO

You guys let too many of your guys walk.I know that's how you've always done it but you have to keep your homegrown talent

Also you have talented players who don't develop. That's on the position coach and coordinator not Tomlin

But Tomlin does not design the defense or call the defense - LeBeau does. Tomlin does not design the offense or call the offense - Haley does. The position coaches develop the players. So what exactly is Tomlin responsible for? Press conferences where he says "obviously" 400 times in a season? Preparing the team? LOL they're prepared for games like 3x a year. I have been watching this team my whole life and trying to support Tomlin for 8 years but I honestly, truly, cannot tell you a single thing he brings to the table.

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

But Tomlin does not design the defense or call the defense - LeBeau does. Tomlin does not design the offense or call the offense - Haley does. The position coaches develop the players. So what exactly is Tomlin responsible for? Press conferences where he says "obviously" 400 times in a season? Preparing the team? LOL they're prepared for games like 3x a year. I have been watching this team my whole life and trying to support Tomlin for 8 years but I honestly, truly, cannot tell you a single thing he brings to the table.

This is a very misguided and sloppy post. You could say that about almost every damn team in the league. How in the hell do you know Tomlin's input or influence on the offense or defense for the past 8 years?

You blame him for the draft because he has a 'say'- but then turn around and state that he has no influence elsewhere on the team? Just an empty suit who comes in during draft day? His press conferences annoy you? Do you expect coaches to drop eloquent breakdowns regarding their strategy in pressers? Have you heard a Belicheck presser before?

The problem has been salary cap and aging players- two in the same. We kept alot of older guys and paid them instead of moving forward. This is mostly the GM's (Colbert) fault. I do, however, blame Tomlin for taking so long to develop players- sometimes taking 3 years for a guy to show glimpses of potential (K.Lewis, Worilds). This led to a massive drop in the talent level.

But despite this drop in talent, despite falling to 0-4 last year, he has never had a losing season. You can bytch all you want, but when a team rallies from a 0-4 start to almost a playoff berth- you HAVE to credit the coaching.

In fact, you are starting to sound a lot like the Cac's on the Steeler boards. The one's who are still crying "Rooney Rule". The ones that are screaming for Cowher to replace MT, even though Cowher has a lower winning % and missed the playoffs several times himself. The ones who complain that he 'looks' to cool on the sideline, and that he looks like one of the players

You aint fooling no one, breh

 

[resurrection]

This is a very misguided and sloppy post. You could say that about almost every damn team in the league. How in the hell do you know Tomlin's input or influence on the offense or defense for the past 8 years?

You blame him for the draft because he has a 'say'- but then turn around and state that he has no influence elsewhere on the team? Just an empty suit who comes in during draft day? His press conferences annoy you? Do you expect coaches to drop eloquent breakdowns regarding their strategy in pressers? Have you heard a Belicheck presser before?

The problem has been salary cap and aging players- two in the same. We kept alot of older guys and paid them instead of moving forward. This is mostly the GM's (Colbert) fault. I do, however, blame Tomlin for taking so long to develop players- sometimes taking 3 years for a guy to show glimpses of potential (K.Lewis, Worilds). This led to a massive drop in the talent level.

But despite this drop in talent, despite falling to 0-4 last year, he has never had a losing season. You can bytch all you want, but when a team rallies from a 0-4 start to almost a playoff berth- you HAVE to credit the coaching.

In fact, you are starting to sound a lot like the Cac's on the Steeler boards. The one's who are still crying "Rooney Rule". The ones that are screaming for Cowher to replace MT, even though Cowher has a lower winning % and missed the playoffs several times himself. The ones who complain that he 'looks' to cool on the sideline, and that he looks like one of the players

You aint fooling no one, breh

But my beef with Tomlin has nothing to do with his look (I do think he looks cool), the Rooney Rule (I liked Tomlin a lot when he was doing a better job), or Cowher (I couldn't stand Cowher's losing like 4 AFC championship games at home, and I would not want to hire him back). My entire beef with Tomlin is the decline of this team over time.

The post isn't sloppy, it's true. The keys to the offense belong to Haley, the keys to the defense belong to Lebeau. It is Mikey's job to prepare the team, motivate the team, coordinate so that the team plans each week for each opponent individually, plays 60 minutes, 16 games a year. None of that is happening. Not to mention, all those position coaches and coordinators you want to point the finger at are very qualified. There are 3 former head coaches on the staff after Tomlin (Haley, Lebeau, Munchak). It's not like it's a bunch of idiots running around. The only common thread between them all is that they report to the same guy.

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

Tomlin isn't the problem

The real problem that Steeler fans don't want to acknowledge is that they lack talent

They are the least talented team in the AFC north by far

That's what happens when you have a sh*tty salary cap situation for the past 5 years...

But lets but honest- that victory Thurs had everything to do with Rice.

Yo, I went to the game and that stadium was wild. You could tell from the jump that everyone was pumped up on that first drive- which set the tone.

We still dont know what kinda team the Ravens or the Steelers have this year, yet

 

[Art Barr]

steelers' problem is no talented rb trickling down to them who is dominant.
plus, since they have Ben.
they rely to much on creating an offense that is to far from their home base/sweetspot.
which, is the run.
if, they found a great rb, who was a sleeper and top of the heap talent wise.
I see them bolstering the offensive line.
imo, they have gone to a discoveryzone.
of exploring what they don't need and then seeing what they can work with.
instead of staying true to the idea of run first.
that mantra of pass, with no real O Line.
flirts with disaster, as it makes them believe in the wrong way of thinking as it pertains to success.
when, the Steelers success comes from power run football, with an exceptional runner and a big oline.
couple the lack of talent and declining talent from age.
plus, FA, cap, space, and their mantra of not keeping players they never keep.
it is turning into a downward spiral of barely .500 football.
yet, i can't call for tomlin's head.
as, he is not the problem.
the problem is the org, not shifting into win mode and just doing what is applicable to just compete.
which, has occurred from time to time in steeler-dom.
it just so happens it felt better because we had an exceptional rb and no QB.

Now, we have a QB, no oline and no rb and no talent on d.
which is the inverse of what the steelers usually have.
We, usually have no QB, and all the other intangibles.
so, imo...th org is just trying to figure out how to go about how to manage the lack of depth/talent and the situation.



Art Barr