Mike Tomlin skating on thin ice

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the hate for black folks is incredible



tomlin HC w/ steelers

  • has never had a losing season
  • regular season winning % 632
  • 5 - 3 in the playoffs
  • 2 superbowl appearances
  • 1 championship




why do they hate us
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The only place you're going to hear "Tomlin needs to go", is in Pittsburgh. Reasons being, 1.. Pittsburgh is racist as fukk, and 2.. Pittsburgh is fickle as hell. What have you done for me lately is the mantra for Steelers fans. They hate Big Ben, they hate Tomlin, they hated Bill Cowher when he was here.. but now every time someone mentions Tomlin's accomplishments they counter with "He was coaching with Cowher's players"

Missing the playoffs three years in a row gets most coaches fired in this day and age, so the conversation is bound to come up, but most analysts and level headed football people know that Tomlin's job is safe, until proven he can not get back to the glory days of the early years of his reign as Steelers head coach.
 

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As a diehard Steeler fan the shine is starting to wear off for me with Tomlin too. fukk his stats as a head coach, that shyt can be wild misleading. He took over a veteran team that was already built to win. He's never called the plays on offense or defense. It's the same thing now, Lebau runs the defense and Haley runs the offense. This is why I don't give him the bulk of the credit for the wins during his tenure and I can't give him the bulk of the blame now. Coaching is the biggest problem from what I've seen so far this season. Both Haley and Lebeau have been unimpressive with their schemes and play calling. The offense is loaded with talent but have gone 6 quarters without scoring a TD. The defense seems to be running outdated schemes. Teams seem to have Lebeau figured out and he hast made the adjustments. Teams are now just running the ball down the Steelers throat.

I don't know how good of a coach Tomlin is yet and that's strange to say of someone who's had the job as long as he has. The lack of discipline on the field now palpable. The team also seems to start games/halfs flat too much during recent years. They lose to inferior opponents and routinely give up second half leads when they never used to. As good of a look it is to have a brother like Tomlin running my fav team, I'm still not sold on dude.
 

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him shazier and heyward are the only nikkas out there that are really making most of the tackles y'all didn't see how many arm tackles troy he kept missing, let's not even get to the coverage :snoop:

I been saying that since Rodgers torched us in the super bowl that teams were going to start exposing lebeau our soon to be at the time :flabbynsick: defense.

we play the NFC south this season and have to travel to the super dome and atl :tocry:

Nah, y'all host us at Heinz Field Week 13.
 

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Look.. I've been a Steelers fan my whole life and I'll tell you why the "Mike Tomlin should be fired" talk is perfectly legitimate and has nothing to do with race

First of all, I'll start by saying I do give him credit for winning that SB and getting to another one. It is a skill to guide a team of ready-made veteran superstars to stay focused on the goal and get over the hump. He did a great job in his first few years.

But ever since 2011 (so cut that "it's week 2!" crap), the Steelers have been trending down. A big reason for that is the personnel, yes, but who is responsible for developing the young guys brought in? The Steelers build through the draft. Kevin Colbert gets the players (with input from coaches) and Tomlin & co. is entrusted to get the most out of them. When Cowher was here, Colbert had no problem bringing in a future Pro Bowler or two almost every damn year through the draft. Yet somehow, with Tomlin's input in the draft room, we've come up with nothing but crap in early rounds. So is it bad players? Or is it players with bad development? The bottom line is that the further the Steelers get from the 2008/2010 core of players, the WORSE the team is. Tomlin-drafted players are accomplishing next to nothing in the NFL unless they are HIGHLY self-motivated (see Antonio Brown).

And let's review some disturbing trends. The team has been steadily getting worse since losing to the Pack in the SB. This team regularly blows big leads (look no further than last week needing a last second FG to beat the Browns after being up 27-3). This team regularly only plays well for half a season (started 6-3, ended 8-8 in 2012, started 2-6, finished 8-8 in 2013). This team regularly underestimates weak opponents and comes out flat for losses (or at best, W's where they look awful and barely pulled it out). Let's review the Steelers against bad teams starting with 2011, and watch as it progressively gets worse:

2011:

-Eeked out 23-20 win over Curtis Painter-led Colts (Who finished 2-14) in prime time.. game came down to the end
-Eeked out ugly, flat, completely uninspired 13-9 wins over 7-9 KC and 4-12 Cleveland
-In grandiose fashion, lost 29-23 to the Broncos in OT in the playoffs, TOTALLY underestimating Tebow, loading up 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play and inexplicably allowing the worst passing QB in the league to throw all over them for 316 yards and the game-winner in OT.

2012:
-Lost 34-31 to the 4-12 Raiders.. Do I really need to elaborate?
-Lost 26-23 to the 6-10 Titans..
-Eeked out flat, unprepared, uninspired 16-13 primetime W in overtime against the 2-14 Chiefs.. may I add that in this game, our offensive line got Ben R killed and he missed several weeks after this and the team spiraled COMPLETELY downhill afterwards? May I add that, in this game, Kansas City held its first regulation lead OF THE SEASON against us... IN WEEK 10.
-Lost 20-14 to the 5-11 Browns.. Brilliant preparedness there, Mikey
-With a playoff spot seemingly on the line, laid eggs in two games in a row to Dallas and Cincy (13-10.. really.. you manage 10 points with a playoff spot on the line against a division rival?) to secure missing the playoffs

2013:
-Opened the season with horrifying 16-9 loss to the eventual 7-9 Titans.. Lost Pouncey for the year taken out by his own teammate in the first drive of the game. Offense accomplished next to nothing.
-Embarrassed 40-23 by the.. Bears? The fantastically average Chicago Bears made this team look punchless.. It wasn't even as close as the score
-Lost in London to the 5-10-1 Vikings.. Came out COMPLETELY unprepared, dominated in the trenches.
-Lost to the 4-12 Oakland fukking Raiders, managing 18 points against them when the Raiders gave up 28 ppg on the season
-Gave up the most points in franchise history the following week, getting thrashed by the Pats who hung 55 on them
All this and yet they still should made the playoffs. Had they actually got off the bus for ANY of these games last year, they woulda been in the playoffs

2014:
-Week 1 need a last second FG to beat Cleveland after jumping out to a 27-3 lead. WTF?!
-Week 2 completely and utterly embarrassed by biggest rivals in prime time who just happened to be distracted by one of the biggest scandals in league history and the least talented roster they've had in years. But hey, only score 6 points and look like you've never played football before anyway. Who cares?

It is to the point where the games that scare me the most on the Steelers schedule are the games against the worst teams, because we don't prepare for them. We don't take them seriously, we just come out and expect to dominate them, and usually lose or eek out some ugly victory, and sustain bad injuries.

It's the same story. When the team doesn't feel they NEED to be at their best, they're not. And they get punched in the face. Whether it's within a game where they get a big lead and piss it away, or whether it's within a season where they start hot and finish bad, or whether it's preparing for a weaker opponent, the story is the same. The team relaxes, lets off the gas. The team thinks it can coast. The team thinks as long as it just shows up, everything will take care of itself. Well, no, it doesn't. You go 8-8 in consecutive years and look like the worst team in the NFL this year when you do that. And that attitude, that carelessness, that lack of preparation, that inability to get motivated unless you absolutely have to, starts at the top. Not to mention, he doesn't design or call the offense, doesn't design or call the defense, obviously isn't developing our young talent, and obviously isn't preparing the team week in and week out to play 60 minute games. What DOES he do? What is his mark? What is his contribution? What can I trust is HE bringing to this team that wouldn't get instantly better with the hiring of another coach? Tomlin is a god damn cancer to the team, brehs, black or white.
 

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Titans been taking that lunch money lately :myman:

Hate it for Tomlin tho. He'll bounce back quick if the Rooneys get gooney
 

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Look.. I've been a Steelers fan my whole life and I'll tell you why the "Mike Tomlin should be fired" talk is perfectly legitimate and has nothing to do with race

First of all, I'll start by saying I do give him credit for winning that SB and getting to another one. It is a skill to guide a team of ready-made veteran superstars to stay focused on the goal and get over the hump. He did a great job in his first few years.

But ever since 2011 (so cut that "it's week 2!" crap), the Steelers have been trending down. A big reason for that is the personnel, yes, but who is responsible for developing the young guys brought in? The Steelers build through the draft. Kevin Colbert gets the players (with input from coaches) and Tomlin & co. is entrusted to get the most out of them. When Cowher was here, Colbert had no problem bringing in a future Pro Bowler or two almost every damn year through the draft. Yet somehow, with Tomlin's input in the draft room, we've come up with nothing but crap in early rounds. So is it bad players? Or is it players with bad development? The bottom line is that the further the Steelers get from the 2008/2010 core of players, the WORSE the team is. Tomlin-drafted players are accomplishing next to nothing in the NFL unless they are HIGHLY self-motivated (see Antonio Brown).

And let's review some disturbing trends. The team has been steadily getting worse since losing to the Pack in the SB. This team regularly blows big leads (look no further than last week needing a last second FG to beat the Browns after being up 27-3). This team regularly only plays well for half a season (started 6-3, ended 8-8 in 2012, started 2-6, finished 8-8 in 2013). This team regularly underestimates weak opponents and comes out flat for losses (or at best, W's where they look awful and barely pulled it out). Let's review the Steelers against bad teams starting with 2011, and watch as it progressively gets worse:

2011:

-Eeked out 23-20 win over Curtis Painter-led Colts (Who finished 2-14) in prime time.. game came down to the end
-Eeked out ugly, flat, completely uninspired 13-9 wins over 7-9 KC and 4-12 Cleveland
-In grandiose fashion, lost 29-23 to the Broncos in OT in the playoffs, TOTALLY underestimating Tebow, loading up 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play and inexplicably allowing the worst passing QB in the league to throw all over them for 316 yards and the game-winner in OT.

2012:
-Lost 34-31 to the 4-12 Raiders.. Do I really need to elaborate?
-Lost 26-23 to the 6-10 Titans..
-Eeked out flat, unprepared, uninspired 16-13 primetime W in overtime against the 2-14 Chiefs.. may I add that in this game, our offensive line got Ben R killed and he missed several weeks after this and the team spiraled COMPLETELY downhill afterwards? May I add that, in this game, Kansas City held its first regulation lead OF THE SEASON against us... IN WEEK 10.
-Lost 20-14 to the 5-11 Browns.. Brilliant preparedness there, Mikey
-With a playoff spot seemingly on the line, laid eggs in two games in a row to Dallas and Cincy (13-10.. really.. you manage 10 points with a playoff spot on the line against a division rival?) to secure missing the playoffs

2013:
-Opened the season with horrifying 16-9 loss to the eventual 7-9 Titans.. Lost Pouncey for the year taken out by his own teammate in the first drive of the game. Offense accomplished next to nothing.
-Embarrassed 40-23 by the.. Bears? The fantastically average Chicago Bears made this team look punchless.. It wasn't even as close as the score
-Lost in London to the 5-10-1 Vikings.. Came out COMPLETELY unprepared, dominated in the trenches.
-Lost to the 4-12 Oakland fukking Raiders, managing 18 points against them when the Raiders gave up 28 ppg on the season
-Gave up the most points in franchise history the following week, getting thrashed by the Pats who hung 55 on them
All this and yet they still should made the playoffs. Had they actually got off the bus for ANY of these games last year, they woulda been in the playoffs

2014:
-Week 1 need a last second FG to beat Cleveland after jumping out to a 27-3 lead. WTF?!
-Week 2 completely and utterly embarrassed by biggest rivals in prime time who just happened to be distracted by one of the biggest scandals in league history and the least talented roster they've had in years. But hey, only score 6 points and look like you've never played football before anyway. Who cares?

It is to the point where the games that scare me the most on the Steelers schedule are the games against the worst teams, because we don't prepare for them. We don't take them seriously, we just come out and expect to dominate them, and usually lose or eek out some ugly victory, and sustain bad injuries.

It's the same story. When the team doesn't feel they NEED to be at their best, they're not. And they get punched in the face. Whether it's within a game where they get a big lead and piss it away, or whether it's within a season where they start hot and finish bad, or whether it's preparing for a weaker opponent, the story is the same. The team relaxes, lets off the gas. The team thinks it can coast. The team thinks as long as it just shows up, everything will take care of itself. Well, no, it doesn't. You go 8-8 in consecutive years and look like the worst team in the NFL this year when you do that. And that attitude, that carelessness, that lack of preparation, that inability to get motivated unless you absolutely have to, starts at the top. Not to mention, he doesn't design or call the offense, doesn't design or call the defense, obviously isn't developing our young talent, and obviously isn't preparing the team week in and week out to play 60 minute games. What DOES he do? What is his mark? What is his contribution? What can I trust is HE bringing to this team that wouldn't get instantly better with the hiring of another coach? Tomlin is a god damn cancer to the team, brehs, black or white.

so is the problem colbert or tomlin? seems to be that colbert has been a bust drafting in recent years
 

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Tomlin is safe

Steelers front office is at fault for missing on some draft picks over the years when their core got older. Plus their cap situation was tough
 

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Mike Tomlin has 2 SB appearances with 1 win and is winning 65% of his games over 6 years....Yet Fisher is considered a better coach than him by the general media with a barely 500 record and 5 trips to the offs in 20 years.....Oh yeah...a losing record in the offs as well....But Tomlin is on the hot seat and Fisher is looked at as a savior......dikk Wolf couldn't script this shyt any better




and on top of that.....The nikka younger than HOV......:huhldup:

:what: who thinks Fisher is a better coach than Tomlin?
 

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Been to two SBs and won one. He should be nowhere near a hot seat.
 

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Been to a SB and won one. He should be nowhere near a hot seat.
Easy to say when you don't follow the team

They have slowly but surely gotten worse and worse the more they are forced to rely on players for whom Tomlin is responsible for developing. The team is not good at anything besides the Ben + Brown connection and Le'Veon Bell creating his own running room because there is nowhere for him to go. The defense has forced the least amount of turnovers in THE LEAGUE since 2011. It's consistently been a problem, and consistently never been addressed. The offensive line has sucked since 2011 (really, before that) and we have 4 first or second rounders on that line collectively doing nothing. Sure Colbert shares some blame, but it's amazing how his ability to draft was amazing with Cowher's input and garbage with Tomlin's. And at what point do you say people are responsible for developing the talent? I refuse to believe Colbert has picked a bunch of busts several years in a row. Nobody is readying these players because the head coach does not coach with urgency. As with all the examples I cited (giving up big leads, not showing up against bad teams, starting the season off hot and blowing it or vice versa).. all of these things point to a head coach that does not instill the required urgency in his team to get better, play 16 games, 60 minutes per game. It's more "oh we got this, just relax". Nah. Not only is Tomlin not the great coach folks think he is, he's actually one of the league's worst. He fooled you by winning a lot of games with players already drafted, developed, and built ready to made to win. Every year as those guys get older and Tomlin's guys have more prominent roles on the team, the team gets worse and worse.
 
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