Mike and Mike debating if KAJ top 5

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There's nothing disingenuous at all, he averaged 23.7ppg over his career, is that not a fact? You're coming up with all these other nonsensical stipulations to fit your argument and cherry picking. I'm going to guess you feel Iguodala was a elite defender his first 2 seasons in the league, even though after 06 them big games from Kobe stopped completely :dry: I could even bring up Kobe shooting 38% for his career against Arron Afflalo and you'll try to spin that.

How is your claim closer to being true, you said he's the 2nd best perimeter player ever, what about Magic? You're probably not even talking the 5th best player either, cause to get him in the top 5 you have to eliminate Wilt and Russell from the list, and if he's the 2nd best perimeter player that means Magic is below him leaving just Kareem and Jordan :shaq2: Just by process of elimination you have him no worse than 3rd best ever.

How the fukk am I cherrypicking when I specifically designated I consider his prime to be from (05 - 09). Did I magically know that you would come through and bring up Iggy? I'm stating the facts as they pertain to the time frame I laid out well before any players name was mentioned. Nobody is trying to "spin" anything, I said what I said and I believe it. This is why I don't typically engage you, because a situation occurs where I made a statement with clear parameters well before you were even thought of, you address me and when I point out the specifics of what I said originally all of the sudden everything is nonsensical.


In no particular order

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Debate the last spot between Shaq, Wilt and Russell.

And for the record, yes I do think that Kobe is a better player than Magic.
 

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you can't be the g.o.a.t if you lost in the finals
and thus, it is Jordan the G.O.A.T and 2nd thru 5th spots are up for grabs.
 

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How the fukk am I cherrypicking when I specifically designated I consider his prime to be from (05 - 09). Did I magically know that you would come through and bring up Iggy? I'm stating the facts as they pertain to the time frame I laid out well before any players name was mentioned. Nobody is trying to "spin" anything, I said what I said and I believe it. This is why I don't typically engage you, because a situation occurs where I made a statement with clear parameters well before you were even thought of, you address me and when I point out the specifics of what I said originally all of the sudden everything is nonsensical.

Even in your timeframe he doesn't average 30ppg against Iguodala, but you said he did it with ease against any defender, and his big games stopped completely after 06. That is why you're cherry picking, the nikka had more bad games against Iguodala especially after 06 than he had good ones. You didn't know I'd bring up Iguodala because in your mind, clearly nobody has ever played good defense against Kobe, even though we have a young player giving Kobe trouble.



In no particular order

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Debate the last spot between Shaq, Wilt and Russell.

And for the record, yes I do think that Kobe is a better player than Magic.




So to you, Kobe is 3rd best player ever, your opinion officially goes in the bushes. Completely and utterly ridiculous.....
 

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Even in your timeframe he doesn't average 30ppg against Iguodala, but you said he did it with ease against any defender, and his big games stopped completely after 06. That is why you're cherry picking, the nikka had more bad games against Iguodala especially after 06 than he had good ones. You didn't know I'd bring up Iguodala because in your mind, clearly nobody has ever played good defense against Kobe, even though we have a young player giving Kobe trouble.








So to you, Kobe is 3rd best player ever, your opinion officially goes in the bushes. Completely and utterly ridiculous.....

Excellent, no need to address me further. Works out for everybody!
 

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wilt is overrated
wilt = babe ruth

with that said, kobe isnt top 5. but

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lol didnt intend this to be a Kobe top 5 thread more like
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shouldnt talk about basketball when they were saying Kareem is possible top 5. Dudes arguably and realistically the goat and these idiots talkin bout him possible top 5
 

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Kobe being the third best player of all time ain't some insane ridiculous stance...once you start seriously debating where a player ranks in the top 5-10 players to have ever played the game what are you even arguing at that point ...at that level of greatness it's hard to even make a distinction...outside of MJ and Kareem, there's really not an order of the greatest how many other top 10 players that would be some OMGfukkING GOD TYPE dealbreaker...IMO...kobe's a 30k club member with 5 championships, multiple regular season/final mvps, putting up 28pt 5ast and 5 in his 17th year in the league...most likely gonna end up as the 3rd time all timing scoring leader when he hangs them up....different people have all kinds of combinations of magic, bird, chamberlin, russell, kobe, duncan, shaq, hakeem...there's not enough seperation among the all time greats for anyone of them players being #3 to be some absurd statement...
 

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Its ridiculous man, it really is... I think its time for me to step out this thread and just let these kiddies live in delusion.

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youre like 22 :skip:

im an old head, i watched magic/bird and them during the 80s and i have kobe ahead of them, but i cant put kobe in the top 3 right now.\\

no disrespect, but did your mom ever meet wilt?
 
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