"Middle Class" Blacks in the United States

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This is a "serious" thread, for an intelligent discussion.

Here's an article I came across. It's an interesting look on discrimination (racism) from a "black middle class" point of view. It's not your typical run of the mill blacks are lazy republican rhetoric, but there are some harsh realities to the valid claims in this piece, as well as some over exaggerated and taken out of context situations. It's kind of long read, try not to just read the highlighted part, you'll miss the entire premise of the article...

Although I try to argue on the basis of evidence from as many corners as I can find, I cannot even begin to claim that my writing on race is not founded, at heart, upon my personal experience. But because of this, I find [Ellis] Cose's book [The Rage of a Privileged Class] and other sources painting a similar picture of middle-class black experience, uniquely challenging to grapple with. This includes Ishmael Reed's views on race, founded upon a basic perception that even today, and even for middle-class blacks, every day is "Another Day at the Front," as he has titled one of his books. Deborah Mathis's Yet a Stranger and Lena Williams's It's the Little Things are similar examples, in which it is assumed that all middle-class blacks live lives in which snubs, glares, and open condescension from whites are routine. For Reed and Mathis, in particular, their assumption that all successful blacks experience incessant racist abuse naturally leads them to sharply condemn black writers who stray from the victim line—to them, this victimhood is indisputable, and thus the accusations of "sell out," and the like.

My Life: No Constant Racial Injustices

The problem for me is that in my four decades as a middle-class black man in America, I simply have not experienced the endless procession of racist slights and barriers that Cose describes. The life I have led as a middle-class black person makes the "rage" of Cose's interviewees look, frankly, foreign and peculiar to me.

For example, Cose documents that after the Los Angeles riots in 1992, 78 percent of blacks in a poll agreed that "blacks cannot get justice in this country," and I well remember that line resonating among even comfortable, assimilated middle-class blacks at that time. I was aware of racial profiling—I grew up in Philadelphia where the naked racism of the police force under Mayor Frank Rizzo in the seventies was something even a kid couldn't miss hearing about regularly. I was even aware that if circumstances were just so, it was possible that I myself could have a nasty run-in with the police influenced by my color. Yet, I considered this an abstract and unlikely possibility, hardly tincturing my daily existence with a sense of imminent threat the way lynching did for all black men in the old South. And I presume that even Cose would not see this as the naïvete of a pampered soul, since he notes that "as awful as Rodney King's treatment may have been, most middle-class blacks know that they are not very likely to find themselves on the wrong side of a policeman's baton."

The nut was that I just couldn't see the King video as a symbol of my personal experience with white America, as "a glaring reminder that being black in America means that you operate under a different set of rules," as one of Cose's interviewees has it. In fact, the black response to the Los Angeles riots was the first of several race episodes in the nineties that frustrated me to the point that I was eventually moved to step outside of my linguist career to write on race.

Since then, one of the trickiest aspects of my second career is that I must work constructively with the fact that legions of middle-class blacks like me harbor a bone-deep sense of constant abuse from whites that I, to the best of my knowledge, have not experienced. Some have told me that this is because I am "clean-cut" but that is irrelevant; the idea is that these things happen to reserved, cultured blacks in expensive suits and cars, not just baggy-pants teens.

Nevertheless, here is my life.
 

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No Problems with Police

I have no problems with the police. I have never been pulled aside for a drug search or even touched by an officer. Actually, I have found it pretty easy to talk my way out of several moving violations, and the only time a police officer has stopped me for anything besides those was a black officer in Oakland who turned out to want to tell me how much he liked Losing the Race!

Only once do I recall ever being tailed in a store, and since so many blacks complain about this tailing, I have always watched for it
. And my experience was that when I was about sixteen, a black friend and I dropped into a tiny Slavic bookstore in Philadelphia because I, as a language freak, was just intrigued by the place. The woman behind the register, a probably Polish-born middle-aged woman, was obviously terrified, and the store was so tiny that her displeasure was overwhelmingly present to us, to the point that we left the store. But that was not quite what most blacks complain of. After all, it was likely extremely rare that young black men entered that store, and what's more, it was just on the edge of a sketchy black neighborhood, such that we might suppose that the woman assumed that since aging books in Polish are rarely of interest to young black men (or most Americans), we might have been in there to rob her. I know I am supposed to simply decry her as "stereotyping" but I cannot. She was just human, reacting to a highly unexpected presence in a store located in a bad neighborhood, and as a foreigner from a country where blacks are virtually nonexistent, unlikely to be attuned to the factors of dress and demeanor distinguishing class among blacks.

Nor have I ever gotten the sense that a clerk considered me too poor to afford higher-end items—rather, I have the typical mainstream experience of having to ward clerks off from trying to get me to buy more expensive merchandise to up their commissions—that is, the same experience whites have. And despite my occasional television appearances, I have nothing approaching the public recognizability that would make such clerks think of me as a celebrity, and besides, I didn't have such experiences even long before I had ever been on television. No cashier has ever, to my recollection, asked me for an extra form of ID.

Not once has any white person questioned me to my face as to my credentials for engaging in an activity or profession. The barriers to promotion that many blacks report in corporate life and law firms have been unknown to me in academia. There, black faces are so "welcome" that on the contrary, being black often makes it easier rather than harder to get tenure. Possibly racist bias makes it harder to advance in some other fields, but definitely in linguistics during my experiences,being black has been nothing less than an advantage in employment and promotion. No whites in my earshot have said anything suggesting that they were "impressed" that I did something despite being black, despite Cose's interviewees regularly reporting such experiences. Indeed, I have occasionally felt that when I did a talk that was merely bread-and-butter, I got praise a little beyond what I deserved, and that this was definitely based in a quiet sense that it was great that I had been up there with my black face, showing that linguistics is an equal-opportunity realm. But I cannot see this as damning my existence or worthy of "rage," especially since I have never experienced this to a degree that could be considered outright condescension.

A Harvard Law School grad whom Cose interviews when she has advanced to a teaching position "feels ambushed whenever she hears a cutting racial remark," but my personal experience in almost two decades of life in academia gives me, in all sincerity, no idea what she is referring to. No one in academia has ever said anything like, "There goes that black stuff again" or "It's great to see a black person do a good job like you're doing" when I could hear it. I have recounted elsewhere that the one person who ever called me "******" was a drunken laborer reduced to mumbling it as I went back into my apartment after I had bested him in an argument, which I could only see as a desperate belch from a bested opponent whose life no one would envy and that mine had already soundly surpassed. I suppose I might also recall a little guy at a day camp when I was about nine who called me "blackey" once or twice, but in clumsy jest, and I am afraid that this experience in 1974 did not arouse in me any "rage," especially not of a sort that I would still harbor thirty years later.

I also feel it necessary to note that I consider my life's experience a conclusive case against the idea that to be black and middle class is to live with white abuse as an everyday threat. The nature of the issue is such that there is no survey necessary: I'm black, have been for a very long time, am not nearly light-skinned enough to look anything but, and these things simply do not happen to me. I am even told that I tend to look rather "serious" when walking down the street (I tend to be outlining and writing paragraphs in my head)—my default demeanor is not a smiley, gentle-looking one. Again, it doesn't matter that I don't look or talk "street" because the Cose idea is that the nastiness falls upon blacks of all "profiles." My life has taken place in Philadelphia, New York, Oakland, and San Francisco, all fertile breeding grounds for the Cose perspective. I also lived for years in Palo Alto, as a graduate student at Stanford, when I made extra money playing cocktail piano in wealthy white homes in surrounding towns. I therefore was often driving around those enclaves in a beat-up old car late at night—but was never once stopped as a suspicious figure (and officers could not have seen how "clean-cut" I was just seeing me through the car window, nor could they hear my tragically "proper" speaking voice). Also, I am a night owl and no stranger to bars;[ my favorite one in New York is in an area where late at night, "streety" young blacks congregate selling drugs and making a lot of noise. On countless nights I have made my way home from that bar in the wee hours, but never once have been bothered by an officer. If Ellis Cose had for some reason sought me out to fill out the anecdotes in his book, I would have come up with nothing to support the idea that white people bedevil me constantly with racist actions. This means something.

I Am Not Alone

And I might also add that my life lends me my own "anecdotal" collection of "interviewees" who would concur with me. I know about eight black Americans—some friends, others long-term acquaintances—who readily agree with me that the middle-class black life of constant racist abuse that Cose and his friends depict is not theirs. No, they are not lower-class or blue-collar people; predictably, I tend to be closest to people with histories and lifestyles similar to my own. Nor, however, are any of them scions of the black elite, nor are most of them light-skinned, nor do all of them even have college degrees or significant bank accounts. But then, again, these things technically shouldn't even matter, as we are told that this abuse is aimed at any black person between about ten and sixty, regardless of demeanor, class, or accomplishment. And I can honestly attest that "whitey" just does not torment these people, or me, in the ways that Cose describes. The Rage of a Privileged Class got around quite a bit among reading blacks in the mid-nineties. I have no statistics to offer, but I have lost count of how many times I have asked middle-class black people, "Is what that book describes your experience?" and had them answer, "Well, no." Everybody has a story or two—or three. But "most of what life is"?

Sure, Racism Happens Occasionally

However, as noted, it's not that my friends and I have not experienced racism. It's there indeed.
For example, I know my racism when I see it and am not possessed of a fragile sort of pride that makes me reluctant to admit when racism has been imposed upon me (i.e., I have no quiet sense that racism is only something that should happen to, you know, those kinds of black people).

When I got my BA at Rutgers in the early eighties, a great many of the white students were products of lower-middle-class New Jersey families, their parents being products of pre-Civil Rights Act America. Even at that time, overt expressions of racism were taboo on campus, but it was impossible not to suspect that a lot of those kids did not have the most savory feelings about "the blacks." I recall a late-night debate with a white guy from Paterson, New Jersey, hardly a hotbed of racial progressiveness, in which it became clear that he considered blacks' overrepresentation in the ghetto to be due to their mental and even biological inferiority. I talked him into a logical corner in which he had to quietly but testily admit this in a word or two, and I just let the exchange stop there.

Once again I don't fully co-sign this argument, but their are several instances which I do agree upon.
 

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:manny: I'm saying though KTL / HL can't really define what "black middle class" is.

I've never met an american who was black and middle class that I can recall.
Same goes for foreigners you're either really well off or you're struggling.


As far as what he wrote if that's his experience...


I think hes full of shyt
 

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I think hes full of shyt

I was going to say this. IDK how we define black middle class. you're either a have or have not= imo.

In the 'hood', some blacks would consider my existence middle class.. I don't agree, the fact that one series of crazy events could put me below the poverty lines, means that I'm not in the top class and that middle class is an allusion of being comfortable, barely better off than people poorer than you, and having more to lose and more to stress over.

Besides, this n1gga is just out of touch w reality. Let's not confuse this confused n1ggas confused message with being an insightful and unique prospective.
 

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I've never met an american who was black and middle class that I can recall.
Same goes for foreigners you're either really well off or you're struggling.


As far as what he wrote if that's his experience...


I think hes full of shyt
Well see I consider myself middle class. Nothing about my "immediate" family really screams well off. I didn't even meet my dad until I was 11. Then I saw the lifestyle he was living :whoo::whew::ehh:

But staying on topic, going from school to school. In various neighborhoods, at some point I realized I was different than most other urban minorities. I wasn't poor, but I submerged in a lavish lifestyle. I had "everything" I needed, meanwhile my peers in lower social-economic areas, were visibly suffering, you could see the hurt and instability in their overall character. Eventually some that rubbed off on me, and forced me to toughen up in order survive and not be exploited as a punk.

Back to the article. Like I said, I don't entirely agree with the accusation in the statement, but I can personally attest, to never being harassed by cops.

Which has always left me on a neutral ground with police. "Technically" they never did sh*t to me, but there's always that chance....

The incident with Polish immigrant is understandable if, she's been robbed or if "rethugs" got to her and pumped her head with delusional artifacts about blacks.

Being called a n1gger has only occurred, from a drunken, overweight, redneck :heh:

But this guy is clearly a lunatic if he doesn't see that he's been coined as the "token" safe negro throughout his lifetime.
 

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I was going to say this. IDK how we define black middle class. you're either a have or have not= imo.

In the 'hood', some blacks would consider my existence middle class.. I don't agree, the fact that one series of crazy events could put me below the poverty lines, means that I'm not in the top class and that middle class is an allusion of being comfortable, barely better off than people poorer than you, and having more to lose and more to stress over.

Besides, this n1gga is just out of touch w reality. Let's not confuse this confused n1ggas confused message with being an insightful and unique prospective.
Well the guy is obviously delusional.


My bad, I forgot to clarify. The article isn't about economic income. It's about discrimination.
 
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I have lived in both the ghetto and middle-class neighborhoods.

I have never experienced any racism, at least overtly and from whites, in my entire life. I have heard white people talk badly about blacks, but It's never directed towards me. Nobody knows that i'm African American.
 

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I have lived in both the ghetto and middle-class neighborhoods.

I have never experienced any racism, at least overtly and from whites, in my entire life. I have heard white people talk badly about blacks, but It's never directed towards me. Nobody knows that i'm African American.

Basically racism, from a black middle class pov, tends be done in a more subtle or secretive manner instead of blatant attacks such as lynching or abrasive racial profiling.

The author even mentions:
"as awful as Rodney King's treatment may have been, most middle-class blacks know that they are not very likely to find themselves on the wrong side of a policeman's baton."


Honestly, I couldn't see this happening to me or anyone else I personally know, but then again I more than likely wouldn't be somewhere, that problematic issues have a tendency to occur. With that said, I never rule out the possibility of something breaking suit. :manny:
 

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I was going to say this. IDK how we define black middle class. you're either a have or have not= imo.

In the 'hood', some blacks would consider my existence middle class.. I don't agree, the fact that one series of crazy events could put me below the poverty lines, means that I'm not in the top class and that middle class is an allusion of being comfortable, barely better off than people poorer than you, and having more to lose and more to stress over.

Besides, this n1gga is just out of touch w reality. Let's not confuse this confused n1ggas confused message with being an insightful and unique prospective.

I'm with you 100%

Well see I consider myself middle class. Nothing about my "immediate" family really screams well off. I didn't even meet my dad until I was 11. Then I saw the lifestyle he was living :whoo::whew::ehh:

But staying on topic, going from school to school. In various neighborhoods, at some point I realized I was different than most other urban minorities. I wasn't poor, but I submerged in a lavish lifestyle. I had "everything" I needed, meanwhile my peers in lower social-economic areas, were visibly suffering, you could see the hurt and instability in their overall character. Eventually some that rubbed off on me, and forced me to toughen up in order survive and not be exploited as a punk.

Back to the article. Like I said, I don't entirely agree with the accusation in the statement, but I can personally attest, to never being harassed by cops.

Which has always left me on a neutral ground with police. "Technically" they never did sh*t to me, but there's always that chance....

The incident with Polish immigrant is understandable if, she's been robbed or if "rethugs" got to her and pumped her head with delusional artifacts about blacks.

Being called a n1gger has only occurred, from a drunken, overweight, redneck :heh:

But this guy is clearly a lunatic if he doesn't see that he's been coined as the "token" safe negro throughout his lifetime.

I've been harassed by the judicial system and the police my whole life.
I've seen it, I've lived it. It's cruel, it's ugly, it's racist.

Have I been called a ****** to my face in recent memory? No.
Has it happend? More than I probably care to admit to myself.
Is it due to jealous and or ignorance? Every time.
 

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I grew up lower middle class. :shaq2: at this whole story. I actually got tougher in the 'burbs fightin' off racists. Sometimes I had to fight off 3-4 dudes. I will say that there was a black chick in my class who nobody bothered, but she was super quiet, other than the fact that she breathed, you would barely know if she existed or not. I think it depends on who and where you are, but overall :shaq2: at this. Duke was sayin' he was drivin' a sh*t car in nice neighborhoods and never got stopped. He is :troll:'in
 
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Basically racism, from a black middle class pov, tends be done in a more subtle or secretive manner instead of blatant attacks such as lynching or abrasive racial profiling.

From I've experienced, Nobody likes black people. Not mexicans, not white people, not Asians.

The most outwardly racist are the Asians. They will stare, look very scared or even say racist things.

The Mexicans are the next in the ranking. They will say stuff here and there between their friends, but not to a black person's face unless they are really mad.

White people will be cool, until the blacks leave. I have experienced plenty of times.

If there is a black guy who "gets it" by white standards and by that i mean, acts white and adheres to WASP culture. They will go gaga over the guy.
 
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