Michael Johnson - "N1ggas run fast because we come from slaves"
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OneManGang
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On the issue of Asians and whites being smarter than black americans...its entirely possible that our aptitude to learn was hampered by slavery. Not that they bred the dumbest people or anything, but what isnt used usually atrophies in the body. While enslaved, African Americans weren't allowed to learn. Today we still have something in us that hinders our ability to learn the maths and sciences when compared to Asians and whites. I have a BS in chemistry and i consider myself smart, but in many of my classes there was a much higher clip of Asians that just GOT upper level calc. shyt is like algebra to them. I dont see why many of us struggle with this harsh reality. To make it worse, its 2012 and many of our youth are still not even given the opportunity to break the cycle with adequate education. In just about every cognitive category, African Americans, NOT BLACKS, are at the bottom of the totem pole. Its not a coincidence. Of course there are always the ones who break the norm, just as you'll find Asians who are dumb as a bag of bricks or whites, but you have to look at trends and its plain to see. Of course as i pointed out, there are other factors associated with this, but to ignore slavery is short sighted. Every option has to be analyzed when looking for a solution.
I find this a very interesting topic. Im open to discussion on it. Theres so much more i wanted to discuss but its alot of quotes in here. Slavery contributed to higher rates of obesity among us, high blood pressure through the diet, cholesterol as well...over the years these are things that our bodies develop a propensity to which are passed along to our offspring. This is fact. The prevailing poverty in our communities ensures we eat terribly which only serves to activate these dormant traits. In the same way, the most physically gifted were bred and still today we have a propensity to become physically dominant. Notice i said propensity. Its not guaranteed for ALL. Just as in Nigeria, one of the most populous nations in the WORLD, there will be top tier athletes. Its simple statistics. For alot of athletes it comes almost naturally, others, we have to work at it, and thanks to the USAs great infrastructure (better access to balanced diets, clean water, healthcare, and facilities), we see a higher rate of African Americans being gifted in sports. Thats always been my theory. Thats not taking away anything from our great athletes. God gave us a gift, but it still takes hard work and dedication for guys to become the best at what they do
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I find this a very interesting topic. Im open to discussion on it. Theres so much more i wanted to discuss but its alot of quotes in here. Slavery contributed to higher rates of obesity among us, high blood pressure through the diet, cholesterol as well...over the years these are things that our bodies develop a propensity to which are passed along to our offspring. This is fact. The prevailing poverty in our communities ensures we eat terribly which only serves to activate these dormant traits. In the same way, the most physically gifted were bred and still today we have a propensity to become physically dominant. Notice i said propensity. Its not guaranteed for ALL. Just as in Nigeria, one of the most populous nations in the WORLD, there will be top tier athletes. Its simple statistics. For alot of athletes it comes almost naturally, others, we have to work at it, and thanks to the USAs great infrastructure (better access to balanced diets, clean water, healthcare, and facilities), we see a higher rate of African Americans being gifted in sports. Thats always been my theory. Thats not taking away anything from our great athletes. God gave us a gift, but it still takes hard work and dedication for guys to become the best at what they do
.fast white kids are laxers! the few black people you see playing lacrosse ain't dominating a damn thing.
and with that same token white people tend to have longer upper bodies and therefore can dominate swimming.
only problem I have with the comment is that all black people are getting boxed into a standard to live up too and that has social reprocussions. maybe it your around black people all the time this has zero impact. but if ya around other races you know what happens. "OMG your not like other black people....i'm blacker than you blah blah crap"
from an academic standpoint you can't deny genetics. However, I don't buy a few things.
1.) This notion that people in the west have that every Asian is smart. Travel to Asia. Does it look like Star Trek or the Jetsons? Does it even look like the United States? Not even close. Even ultra modern cities/states like Dubai, you have two cities and the modern part was built on the backs of some other poor folks through vast oil money or outright government communism. Our skewed view of Asians come from the Visa immigrants who come here as technology workers or graduate students. Of course their children will be hard working and make good grades. Even spoiled, rich white kids with successful parents usually make good grades. Like any woman, of course the Tiger Moms will take credit. Sorry lady. I think the numbers also get to our psyches too. Realize, those countries are 5 times larger than the US. They should turn out a lot of intelligent people. But back to genetics, why do you think these Indian Immigrant families are so eager to put their kids together with a "fair" skinned girl from a "good" family. They are acknowledging that there are hundreds of millions of dumbasses out there in India that they don't want their gene pool mixed with. So let's please end this intelligence myth. Dumbies come from everywhere in big numbers. We've been here such a short time, we let systematic inequalities distort the image of our own intelligence.
2.) I don't buy into this slavery wasn't this, slavery wasn't that notion that I often read on here. Slavery was something, and it did happen, and I'm interested where these notions of softened blows, or that's not how it was on this and the former boards comes from. Ya know, there are not so veiled references to everyday life in many works of literature that on the surface have nothing to do with slavery. There are actual accounts recorded on tape and record from actual former slaves. There are actual written accounts from slavery by all levels of that life, from the master, their wives, mistresses, overseers, so called, "mulattos", free black men and all the way down to actual slaves themselves. Beyond the high school level, there are actually thousands of people reading and puzzling together these accounts. They are available to the public. And you know, there was a lot of "pairing". There were millions of slaves. This happened.
3.) Having said the previous, I don't buy into the notion that Michael Johnson is just some brainwashed idiot. There is some truth to the pairing, but I don't see that as a benefit. I see it as unfortunate even horrible, that human beings would be subject to such treatment. I would also be surprised if it has had the stated impact that Michael believes. If anything, as we also know, this could be as easily, "bred" out of us in the United States.
There are huge, fast, quick, athletic people all over the world. I am biased, but I believe this is where the social comes in as the nurturer. Some individuals are simply more intelligent than others. Some individuals are simply more athletic than others. What is emphasized in that given culture, family, or even school determines where that natural ability is even utilized. I firmly believe I grew up with some of the most intelligent young men that I have known in my entire lifetime. Problem is, most I grew up with are in jail or dead. Never a shot at utilizing their brain academically. Many grew up in homes with drug abusing moms or parents that seemed to be more concerned with them having the newest Jordans. These were often the first families to think their kid was going to the NBA. I also grew up with some super athletically gifted black kids who are now lawyers, financial analysts, programmers. Its all about emphasis. On the other hand, I played with some of the most athletically gifted white and Asian kids. We had an Indian kid that went on to play D-1 football. He was badass, but his parents didn't care. He got to college, played a couple of years and went on to business school. You think his parents cared about football? Nope, just a means to get to college.
I'm not attacking culture, but I'm saying its a huge factor as to who plays sports. If black people don't like me saying that, put your kid in math camp this summer.
1.) This notion that people in the west have that every Asian is smart. Travel to Asia. Does it look like Star Trek or the Jetsons? Does it even look like the United States? Not even close. Even ultra modern cities/states like Dubai, you have two cities and the modern part was built on the backs of some other poor folks through vast oil money or outright government communism. Our skewed view of Asians come from the Visa immigrants who come here as technology workers or graduate students. Of course their children will be hard working and make good grades. Even spoiled, rich white kids with successful parents usually make good grades. Like any woman, of course the Tiger Moms will take credit. Sorry lady. I think the numbers also get to our psyches too. Realize, those countries are 5 times larger than the US. They should turn out a lot of intelligent people. But back to genetics, why do you think these Indian Immigrant families are so eager to put their kids together with a "fair" skinned girl from a "good" family. They are acknowledging that there are hundreds of millions of dumbasses out there in India that they don't want their gene pool mixed with. So let's please end this intelligence myth. Dumbies come from everywhere in big numbers. We've been here such a short time, we let systematic inequalities distort the image of our own intelligence.
2.) I don't buy into this slavery wasn't this, slavery wasn't that notion that I often read on here. Slavery was something, and it did happen, and I'm interested where these notions of softened blows, or that's not how it was on this and the former boards comes from. Ya know, there are not so veiled references to everyday life in many works of literature that on the surface have nothing to do with slavery. There are actual accounts recorded on tape and record from actual former slaves. There are actual written accounts from slavery by all levels of that life, from the master, their wives, mistresses, overseers, so called, "mulattos", free black men and all the way down to actual slaves themselves. Beyond the high school level, there are actually thousands of people reading and puzzling together these accounts. They are available to the public. And you know, there was a lot of "pairing". There were millions of slaves. This happened.
3.) Having said the previous, I don't buy into the notion that Michael Johnson is just some brainwashed idiot. There is some truth to the pairing, but I don't see that as a benefit. I see it as unfortunate even horrible, that human beings would be subject to such treatment. I would also be surprised if it has had the stated impact that Michael believes. If anything, as we also know, this could be as easily, "bred" out of us in the United States.
There are huge, fast, quick, athletic people all over the world. I am biased, but I believe this is where the social comes in as the nurturer. Some individuals are simply more intelligent than others. Some individuals are simply more athletic than others. What is emphasized in that given culture, family, or even school determines where that natural ability is even utilized. I firmly believe I grew up with some of the most intelligent young men that I have known in my entire lifetime. Problem is, most I grew up with are in jail or dead. Never a shot at utilizing their brain academically. Many grew up in homes with drug abusing moms or parents that seemed to be more concerned with them having the newest Jordans. These were often the first families to think their kid was going to the NBA. I also grew up with some super athletically gifted black kids who are now lawyers, financial analysts, programmers. Its all about emphasis. On the other hand, I played with some of the most athletically gifted white and Asian kids. We had an Indian kid that went on to play D-1 football. He was badass, but his parents didn't care. He got to college, played a couple of years and went on to business school. You think his parents cared about football? Nope, just a means to get to college.
I'm not attacking culture, but I'm saying its a huge factor as to who plays sports. If black people don't like me saying that, put your kid in math camp this summer.
Mr Hate Coffee
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Some interesting posts in here.
My thoughts.
-Slavery probably had SOME effect. Not sure how much tho. But it had some effect. That doesn't mean that all or most black americans are gonna be athletic marvels, but our top athletes will beat out other races' athletes in most sports we actively participate in.
-Comparing the top Nigerians to african-americans as a whole is a flawed argument. You can go to just about any developed country and take the top athletes, regardless if they were slaves or not. Actually, all it does is lend more to that argument that AFRICAN genetics tend to make us better at certain activities.
-You can't deny genetics. It's probably the most important factor in anything you see. Environment is second. This goes both ways, intelligence is also genetic.
Lastly, I don't know why everybody is so mad. Dude said what he thought. There is some credence to it, but it probably has more to do with coming from Africa than being slaves.
My thoughts.
-Slavery probably had SOME effect. Not sure how much tho. But it had some effect. That doesn't mean that all or most black americans are gonna be athletic marvels, but our top athletes will beat out other races' athletes in most sports we actively participate in.
-Comparing the top Nigerians to african-americans as a whole is a flawed argument. You can go to just about any developed country and take the top athletes, regardless if they were slaves or not. Actually, all it does is lend more to that argument that AFRICAN genetics tend to make us better at certain activities.
-You can't deny genetics. It's probably the most important factor in anything you see. Environment is second. This goes both ways, intelligence is also genetic.
Lastly, I don't know why everybody is so mad. Dude said what he thought. There is some credence to it, but it probably has more to do with coming from Africa than being slaves.
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
Isn't also a historical fact that many slave owers sleeped with their slaves and had babies?
Aren't African americans quick to point out that they are 100% west african because of this?
They can't have the argument go both ways...
Either they were bred among one another to be athletic and strong or they have Germanic blood running through them which can explain their athletic ability and size?
Their is an article, in which cacs are taking credit for black athletes athletic ability because of white admixture in their genes.
Do some of you see how crazy the debate can get?
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the strong blacks in america from slavery lineages were fukked by white people thus heterogeneous in genetics
genetics mean something, but as we can all see all races can be very quick and very strong, so the genetics shyt is LESS important than environment/culture/how youre conditioned /your life style
genetics mean something, but as we can all see all races can be very quick and very strong, so the genetics shyt is LESS important than environment/culture/how youre conditioned /your life style