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I think there is a growing consensus that you dont need as much protein as supplement companies have suggested to make good gains.

Yep. That's why I quit f*cking with supplements over a year ago and cut back significant on consuming meat.

Today, I'm still the same size and able to make gains if necessary.


With that said, when I'm like 30, I might dabble with HGH. Been reading up it a lot lately.

Steroids aren't necessarily bad either, when done in a clinical setting.
 

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I think there is a growing consensus that you dont need as much protein as supplement companies have suggested to make good gains. I have meat every day, but these days on rest days I do something light like a ham sandwich and a casein shake. I have found that protein doesn't have anywhere near as much of an impact on me in the gym as carbs or even fats for example. Meat comes with too much bad shyt- cholesterol, constipation, cost etc. I would bet the avg breh could do fine on .5g/lb of protein a day. In the long run it would be much healthier and cheaper

Man I respect your opinion and understand the incentive for supplement companies to create misinformation about protein intake in order to sell more product but when it comes down to it .8 grams per pound lean body mass is the actual amount you should be getting. There have been many studies on this by many scientists that were indepenty sponsored outside of the supplement world and they all found around that threshold. It was also found that when cutting you should up that to an even higher rate to help retain strength.

I do agree that there is alot of bad info about what you need coming from supplement companies but I don't think this is one of the areas.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...aOdKC87ajeb_VZlRg&sig2=1lD-ozuo5gbCRnhRZTvk9g
 

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Man I respect your opinion and understand the incentive for supplement companies to create misinformation about protein intake in order to sell more product but when it comes down to it .8 grams per pound lean body mass is the actual amount you should be getting. There have been many studies on this by many scientists that were indepenty sponsored outside of the supplement world and they all found around that threshold. It was also found that when cutting you should up that to an even higher rate to help retain strength.

I do agree that there is alot of bad info about what you need coming from supplement companies but I don't think this is one of the areas.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...aOdKC87ajeb_VZlRg&sig2=1lD-ozuo5gbCRnhRZTvk9g
I think you are both right actually.

We don't need as much as the supplement companies tell us but .8 is that realm.

I think the bigger issue is that people (myself included to some degree) got conditioned to think that drinking multiple shakes was a better than eating the equivalent in actual food.
 

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I think you are both right actually.

We don't need as much as the supplement companies tell us but .8 is that realm.

I think the bigger issue is that people (myself included to some degree) got conditioned to think that drinking multiple shakes was a better than eating the equivalent in actual food.

I definitely prefer to get my protein from food. After multiple shake fails and trying to cook with it (and failing miserably at that too), it's just easier to get it from food, imo.
 

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Man I respect your opinion and understand the incentive for supplement companies to create misinformation about protein intake in order to sell more product but when it comes down to it .8 grams per pound lean body mass is the actual amount you should be getting. There have been many studies on this by many scientists that were indepenty sponsored outside of the supplement world and they all found around that threshold. It was also found that when cutting you should up that to an even higher rate to help retain strength.

I do agree that there is alot of bad info about what you need coming from supplement companies but I don't think this is one of the areas.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...aOdKC87ajeb_VZlRg&sig2=1lD-ozuo5gbCRnhRZTvk9g
National Strength and Conditioning Association recommends between .5 and .7 per lb of bodyweight. The higher end of that is for full time athletes
 

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Only meat i eat is fish. Also consume eggs too. My protein comes from the aforementioned and legumes.
 

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National Strength and Conditioning Association recommends between .5 and .7 per lb of bodyweight. The higher end of that is for full time athletes

didnt do any math, but that's prob close to .8 LBM. Protein consumption is more important when cutting imo. As long as you hit your minimum, you should be good to go with all the carbs/fat that you want. :ohhh:
 

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Gotta eat that meat [][]

But I keep to turkey/chicken or LEAN beef. But mostly chicken. Easiest to make and keeps best imo.
 

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Man I respect your opinion and understand the incentive for supplement companies to create misinformation about protein intake in order to sell more product but when it comes down to it .8 grams per pound lean body mass is the actual amount you should be getting. There have been many studies on this by many scientists that were indepenty sponsored outside of the supplement world and they all found around that threshold. It was also found that when cutting you should up that to an even higher rate to help retain strength.

I do agree that there is alot of bad info about what you need coming from supplement companies but I don't think this is one of the areas.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...aOdKC87ajeb_VZlRg&sig2=1lD-ozuo5gbCRnhRZTvk9g


.8g/lb of lean mass is way different of 1g/lb of all mass

If you are 180, 15% BF, thats a difference of damn near 60g

.8g/lb lean mass is reasonable.
 
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