Meaning to Life: Is There?

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Stanley Kubrick summed up my views much more eloquently than I could:

Playboy: If life is so purposeless, do you feel its worth living?

Kubrick: Yes, for those who manage somehow to cope with our mortality. The very meaninglessness of life forces a man to create his own meaning. Children, of course, begin life with an untarnished sense of wonder, a capacity to experience total joy at something as simple as the greenness of a leaf; but as they grow older, the awareness of death and decay begins to impinge on their consciousness and subtly erode their joie de vivre (a keen enjoyment of living), their idealism - and their assumption of immortality.

As a child matures, he sees death and pain everywhere about him, and begins to lose faith in the ultimate goodness of man. But if he’s reasonably strong - and lucky - he can emerge from this twilight of the soul into a rebirth of life’s élan (enthusiastic and assured vigour and liveliness).

Both because of and in spite of his awareness of the meaninglessness of life, he can forge a fresh sense of purpose and affirmation. He may not recapture the same pure sense of wonder he was born with, but he can shape something far more enduring and sustaining.

The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death - however mutable man may be able to make them - our existence as a species can have genuine meaning and fulfilment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.

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I'm agnostic, but...That's the truth in my opinion that we all truly fear to face. It's not as 'easy' as a lot of religious people seem to think it is. Acknowledging your own insignificance, the relative futility of your own life is not easy. But thats why I posted that track. Life IS what you make of it. You can help your fellow man, enjoy the planet earth and all its wonder, and find people and places to care for.... A lot of people think of nonreligious people as fatalists or uncaring of the world because everything is futile.... To me, leaving behind hopes of the afterlife centers your efforts and focus on the HERE and NOW, and the future you leave behind you...

my $0.02

:ohlawd: what a logical, well thought out, non-pessimistic statement that truly embodies the mentality of the non-believer....run for cover breh, people don't like practical thinking round these parts :ufdup:
 

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I find it difficult to believe that there's some ultimate purpose for everything, or that everybody has some sort of specific/job destiny they were born to do. If you go down that route then you have to wonder why so many people are born into misery and suffering with little hope of ever escaping it. Babies born with HIV, congenital defects, mental disabilities, kids dying of cancer and starving to death, etc. If all of that has a purpose then it's beyond me.

But that said, in the end I figure it's up to people to give meaning to their own lives. We're only around for a relatively short time anyway, so while we're here we might as well try to minimize each other's suffering and find something that we enjoy. :yeshrug:
 

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Stanley Kubrick summed up my views much more eloquently than I could:



:wow:

The very meaninglessness of life forces a man to create his own meaning.


When u think about it that's exactly what man did when we created religion.

Just watching my 7 yr old nephew grow up and coming to the realization that one day he and his family and everyone he knows is going to die. It's alot for a young mind to handle and it can be a troublesome thought.


I assume this is exactly what our ancestors originally went through, the problem with having a big brain is that intelligence can sometimes cause a being to have an existential crisis when he realizes his/her own mortality. So we created Gods and afterlives to give us a peace of mind so we can hold onto some form of sanity.
 

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When u think about it that's exactly what man did when we created religion.

Just watching my 7 yr old nephew grow up and coming to the realization that one day he and his family and everyone he knows is going to die. It's alot for a young mind to handle and it can be a troublesome thought.


I assume this is exactly what our ancestors originally went through, the problem with having a big brain is that intelligence can sometimes cause a being to have an existential crisis when he realizes his/her own mortality. So we created Gods and afterlives to give us a peace of mind so we can hold onto some form of sanity.


I'm against religion but I understand WHY religions and myths were created, I just feel like humans don't have a need for them any longer.
 

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That's actually pretty ancient belief (relativel to our existence), and might be somewhat true if this existence is built upon energy vibrations of "strings".

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Never actually heard this before but here's my own thoughts on it.

Music is the one thing that every human (as far as I know) likes. If you think about how finicky people are, you'll see why this is significant.

There are people in the world who don't like to eat; there are people in the world who don't like to have sex.
Now those two things are about as basic to survival of the species as it gets, and yet there are people (albeit very few of them) who would rather not do them, given the choice.

Never in my life, though, have I ever met anyone who didn't like music. Maybe not the same kind of music as I like or as you like, but there is some melody out there that affects them on that level. There is something... primal within music. Something universal and transcendent. It's a kind of magic, I think.
 

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Acknowledging your own insignificance,

To me, leaving behind hopes of the afterlife centers your efforts and focus on the HERE and NOW, and the future you leave behind you...

my $0.02

Insignificance is relative, so what are you basing that on? If we are merely random accidents of evolution... then what was the point for the universe expanding in the first place?

It seems weird to me that something insignificant can question and ponder it's own insignificance and random creation.

Either way, you do not need not believe in afterlife to focus on the here and now.. that's fallacious.. you can be effective either way. Some, if not all of the, people who effected great social change in our world have been religious.
 

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I'm against religion but I understand WHY religions and myths were created, I just feel like humans don't have a need for them any longer.

Everything about how we think and behave eventually effects how our brains evolve. Our beliefs even affect natural selection on a mass scale. Scientists have shown that the evolution of the mind has been evolving relatively rapidly in the last 20k years.
We've advanced so much in the last 8 thousand years.... so if we completely flipped it and religion went to the bushes... we don't know how that would effect us.

My point is, we can't really say that we've out grown our religious beliefs. Social structures, cultures, belief systems, all those things effect motivations and societal advancement. We've done aight with religion.

You could have made the same case in the 80's ."humans don't have a need for them any longer". Y don't we need them?, are they holding us back? We are relative light years from the 80's as far as technology is concerned.. so ....
 
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